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posted July 24, 2020 09:50 AM |
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So, are we getting a USA-China war or are they just taunting each other?
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posted July 24, 2020 10:05 AM |
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What would have any of them to win with a war? How would they be able to hurt one another (except deadly)?
The war is already on, just on a different battlefield. It's about economics.
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posted July 24, 2020 11:59 AM |
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Rash people undertake rash decisions.
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posted July 24, 2020 12:40 PM |
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The Chinese are anything but rash. The Trump administration may look rash with words, but factual acts of war?
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posted July 24, 2020 01:00 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
The Trump administration may look rash with words, but factual acts of war?
Typically, when American presidents feel the internal pressure they start or enlarge an external conflict. I just hope Trump is not delusional enough to do it with China, otherwise there might not be an America left to govern, same for the rest of the world.
This is already Cold-War 2.
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posted July 24, 2020 01:49 PM |
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The superpowers don't fight against each other directly, they have other countries to use for footmen. Wars are useful only as long as you have a good chance to gain more than you will lose, which makes a war against someone with comparable power pretty much impossible. Trump tries to use external threats to stabilize his position inside the US, it's an ancient tactic - but will never go too far. The Chinese are far further even from that. For me, the real question is if the US will avoid a de facto civil war in the coming years, or maybe even months, not if they will attack some other behemoth.
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posted July 24, 2020 02:04 PM |
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My rational side totally agrees with your analysis but then I remember we are talking about Trump...
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posted July 24, 2020 02:05 PM |
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Zenofex said:
Trump tries to use external threats to stabilize his position inside the US, it's an ancient tactic - but will never go too far. The Chinese are far further even from that. For me, the real question is if the US will avoid a de facto civil war in the coming years, or maybe even months, not if they will attack some other behemoth.
Yep, but most wars only need a spark. Rationale is then moved to the backside... I also don't believe that an actual war is in interest of any of those superpowers, but this can always change. I don't think anyone expects a war until it actually happens, even if the signs are there.
And yeah, civil war might also happen.
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posted July 24, 2020 02:45 PM |
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Edited by Zenofex at 14:47, 24 Jul 2020.
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Trump does not have nearly enough power to go to war with China of his own volition, even he wanted to (and he doesn't). The Hollywood image of the almighty US president has nothing to do with reality so even if he was a complete lunatic (which he also isn't), the most he could achieve, in the absence of strong internal support for such actions, would be to get "sacked" and prosecuted for treason. The US society is heavily divided and that's obvious to everyone, you can't go to war against strong opponents with something like that - that would be like fighting someone equally strong and skillful when you're very sick while he's in pretty good health.
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posted July 24, 2020 03:07 PM |
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Zenofex said:
The US society is heavily divided and that's obvious to everyone, you can't go to war against strong opponents with something like that - that would be like fighting someone equally strong and skillful when you're very sick while he's in pretty good health.
Yep, it's different then announcing war on a country that has almost no allies and resources up for grabs, like those Middle-Eastern ones.
Yet they somehow need to turn away the unrest in USA, and what's better then a common enemy. I think there are some countries which wouldn't mind tackling China (like India for instance).
I also think it's highly unlikely, too many groups of interests, but I somehow cannot believe our civilization will go on without some big conflict for too long...
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posted July 24, 2020 03:43 PM |
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If Trump loses and doesn't accept the election results the protesting will be on a new scale, possibly including mobs going for the White House. The last time the White House burned down was in 1812 but I think the new one is more flame resistant after Britain torched the last one.
If Trump wins there will also be mass protesting.
If Trump loses and he steps down there will be little protesting.
Protesting and rioting is primarily done by the Democratic half of the country. Republicans aren't turned on by that kind of thing as much. They're more of the law & order & guns & Bibles kind of people.
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posted July 24, 2020 03:51 PM |
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So what you are saying is, that if Trump loses and doesn't respect the election result, the Democrat half will riot and protest while the Republican half will take a prayer and then gun him down?
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posted July 25, 2020 10:48 AM |
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bloodsucker said:
Being attacked or not, what he is sanctioning in Portland is a dictator's move.
He wants the leftist violence/destruction stopped. So does any sane-minded individual. If the leftist movement were just and noble; i'd have been with them from the very start. If they were addressing the CLASS issue; not the non-existent race issue. If the people that sparked their media-driven rage were DECENT people killed by statist thugs, that would be a cause to get behind; as any patriot should. As it stands, they are upset over subhuman trash; and their movement exploits race hatred(in this case, black's hatred of whites), towards a vast division of people IN THEIR OWN CLASS.
I would NEVER stand behind a movement like that. A movement that was obviously CREATED to divide the lower classes from each other; instead of the vermin CONTROLLING and SUBJUGATING THEM.
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Well, he was THE most central figure of the Birther movement when Obama was in office. That seems like ages ago but him being fruitier than Fruity Pebbles isn't a new thing.
There are reasons he gets attacked by so many people. It isn't like it's just people randomly ganging up on Trump, both among Democrats and within his inner circle. C'mon brah.
Obama only became president because people were sick of the vermin running things in the White House.
Trump was elected for that same reason; because hillary would have been a return to the old program.
THAT'S why they fight Trump so hard; he's NOT part of their PROGRAM. Obama, as it turned out, was a plant by the opposition; BOTH candidates in BOTH of Obama's elections were part of their program. The american people were TRICKED into voting for Obama; BOTH TIMES. He didn't represent the american public, or the Constitution, at ALL.
Anyone who votes for a candidate on ANY level of government, that represents neither the american public OR the Constitution, are directly contributing to the downfall of the United States; and are actively committing treason against this country. This also goes for AGENTS of globalist agenda; which the public left have now become. The people FOR the U.S. Constitution; our nation as it was intended, AND the decent american public; are DWINDLING. True patriots to what could be the greatest nation in the history of mankind are becoming rarer and rarer; the longer the globalist agenda works on the american public.
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posted July 25, 2020 11:48 AM |
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fred79 said:
True patriots to what could be the greatest nation in the history of mankind are becoming rarer and rarer; the longer the globalist agenda works on the american public.
As history shows great empires rise and fall. So could happen with USA.
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posted July 25, 2020 07:07 PM |
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fred79 said:
True patriots to what could be the greatest nation in the history of mankind are becoming rarer and rarer; the longer the globalist agenda works on the american public.
Maybe instead of worrying about vanities such as patriotism and who is "the greatest" (that is largely subjective anyway) we should just love each other and cooperate more in order to provide effective solutions for people's wellbeing and happiness.
Take climate change for example. That obviously is more than an individual national problem. It affects everybody and our children and grandchildren will suffer the consequences for it. Issues such as fair trade and water supply also require international agreements and regulations.
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posted July 25, 2020 10:18 PM |
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Who cares about nations? Americans, Indians - concepts of the past.
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posted July 26, 2020 01:50 AM |
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How's the EU doing? The states?
What you see around you is the globalist agenda, and what happens when people resist it. And you leftists think it's a good thing. You have no sense at all.
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posted July 26, 2020 08:46 AM |
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The only way to progress now is on a global level.
That's rather obvious.
But sure, just because things are obvious doesn't mean everyone sees them.
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posted July 26, 2020 09:24 AM |
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JollyJoker said:
The only way to progress now is on a global level.
That's rather obvious.
But sure, just because things are obvious doesn't mean everyone sees them.
Do most germans feel like you do? Or only in your leftist circles?
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posted July 26, 2020 12:04 PM |
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Fred, if India and Pakistan decide to have a go at each other, or Russia and China, for that matter - or even Greece and Turkey, so you really think it has no effect on the US? Isn't the current Covid thing GLOBAL? I mean, even if in the US all was peachy - you still had to lock down against everyone coming in, and the US would still be hit by the global recession. Indirectly.
If they continue to clear the rainforest in Brazil, the climate will change for everyone. If those countries now industrialzing like hell will continue to do so, the climate will change for everyone.
We need to solve our problems on a global level. It's pretty simple, and realizing that isn't a question of political stances, but of reason.
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