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artu
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posted March 01, 2017 03:22 PM
Edited by artu at 18:43, 01 Mar 2017.

fred, you have a subjective and quite unproportional view of what is happening around you. People who read books also have eyes, books don't replace eyes, they may provide you deeper perspective though. They are also helpful when it comes to understanding the difference between thinking and conspiring. Yet, I haven't even said you were not thinking for yourself, I said you are not filtering information properly, that is, you assume very improbable things are quite casual. I don't arrive at the conclusion of their improbability because the media tells me so. The people who confront you on this are not replicating some official propaganda. I don't know why you are so fixated on this notion that anybody who objects you on such matters must be brainwashed by the media, my guess is, you are so sure of yourself, someone not arriving at the same conclusion seems otherwise unexplainable to you, so you keep going on and on about how I believe everything I read on the media. It is you who flat-out refuse to go outside your fanus, there are many sources with different political views, not just one big media, there are also independent journalists and there is of course your own judgement. I don't need any media to tell me "Trump is NOT up against a cabal of Socialist, Communists, Muslim Special Interests wanting to swell their ranks and a host of other "Special" united-fronts." It's absurd to assume he is. And if you think that statement is realistic, and "reflects what you think and feel about the whole situation," the problem is not other people being brainwashed by the media. You can be certain of that.

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posted March 01, 2017 03:41 PM

Minion said:
Please elaborate on Huma Abedin and why she should not be in contact with government?

Go on line and do YOUR research. (sorry same drill from me) I will suggest you sample from MANY different places and use you own common sense. I would also suggest you "generally" delve into say "infiltration strategy". For the record, we have more Spying today than at any time in human history.

AS far as Huma it is no secret that our last 4 Administrations have been in bed with the Saudis and as Artu said, what's the ticket? OIL.
The Western Governments have been selling their souls and meanwhile lots people have died. However, it's not just the West; Russia & China are doing the very same thing. OIL...OIL...OIL. Like I said, should not any working brain find it strange the US taxpayers are bilked every year for Billions to GIVE to Israel, and yet we've been chums with their hated enemies, whom several middle-eastern nations think are behind a couple of the civil-wars there?

Q. Why would the Russian people care about IRAN? They don't.
Q  Why do billions of Chinese people care about Kuwait? They don't.
Q. Did the French people want Libya to be turned into a hellhole? NO.
Q  How about the Americans? No, they were duped along by Consumerism.

I could go on all day...can't see "the trend of the damned?" Just to spice that up, watch a couple BBC vids on the beginning of the EU and watch how all of that POWER-folk dine. Just watch were they HAVE to meet to discuss how to make one huge central government. Those people make Kings look like pawns. However, what you will see is the very same at the top of every nation on this earth.

Folks there is not one drop of tin-hat stuff between what I've shared and Fred has. This stuff has not only been shared by many ex-officers over the years that were kicked out of the various intelligence departments for only doing their job for this Nation (and there are scads that exist in the US alone) but the trail of now-dead people over the years is what I consider quite large.

Where did the top news story Watergate come from? Answer two American investigative journalists. Where did this past election's top story come from? Wiki-leaks. Make the damned connection...please.

I'm aware of more coming your way but I will not bother. Unless people start giving a damn, get educated and active in our political system and protect this nations' foundation...you will be tracked far, far better than a malicious Gestapo could have ever conceived. It's already started.

I'll end my part with this: This Nation is not supposed to be entangled with other nations. Between this nation's founding and the war of 1812 where the British played the bully on our seamen and shipping and we had to fight back; do you know who wanted the new USA to aid France? Jefferson wanted the US to aid France. Now this was a huge issue because the French had helped the birth of this nation by providing the naval-blockade that prevented Cornwallis and his Army from escaping Yorktown. Jefferson and probably some others were furious with George Washington and his adherents and considered our not assisting the French...a betrayal.

However, it was not Jefferson that was the great leader of this nation but it was the pampered Washington because he had the sense enough to see that this new nation was very weak and the idea that various parts of our new Nation would choose sides and destroy the infant nation was anathema to him. We were weak, hell our Capitol was burned down during the war of 1812 and once again, if Napoleon was not at war with England, we probably would be British today.

Now, what does that have to do with today? We are not only full of Jeffersons but each has their own nation that they Favor and <puke> lobby for. Scheme, Bribe & Plot are much more accurate terms. The USA is full of non-Americans sitting inside this nation that do not care a flip about American-citizens. Nearly every nation on earth is here and jostling for influence and power...however OIL is the meal-ticket.
Just consider what Global issue that has been around forever and apparently will be...The Israel-Palestine Conflict. We have huge lobbies here representing both. Now consider that fact, they hate each other and have been at war for time out of mind.

I've listened to George Washington (1796 farewell-address) and not Jefferson types because I want them both out and all others who are here bleeding the duped masses of the American people dry in taxes. "Foreign-Intrigue" has nearly destroyed our once decent nation and depleted our citizenry and forced them to be Welfare & Warfare state slaves without a voice.

Don't worry Minion, you'll likely keep what you think you want. However, what you want is not what I want and if Trump fails and he probably will, one day you may think quite differently than you do now.

There is already evidence of the deep-state, in several ways and it has best taken shape in VP Pence going to Europe and endorsing NATO and the EU. Yeah, the United States of Europe...what a dream come true, eh? Wait till it has it's own standing army and huge military-industrial-complex that dictates life for the average people. Such progressive thinking.

 

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posted March 01, 2017 03:48 PM

artu said:
you assume very improbable things are quite casual.


here is the nut of the issue with you not getting what i'm saying. what, exactly, is improbable about social marketing? what is improbable about lying to manipulate? what is improbable about REAL corruption and how the public at large is being manipulated to think otherwise?

artu said:
I don't know why you are so fixated on this notion that anybody who objects you on such matters must be brainwashed by the media


an incorrect assumption, but one i can understand you getting. i'm not saying you're brainwashed per se, but your hesitance to even CONSIDER what i'm saying, tells me that you ONLY value what you are being told by the media. because, simply put, i say they're manipulating; and you say they're not. you think of me as a conspiracy theorist simply because i don't parrot what i hear in the news. i think of you as someone who's not seeing what's right in front of you, because there is EVIDENCE all around you that people are being manipulated. to even REQUEST that i pinpoint anything that is being shown, is telling me that you think i should PROVE something like clouds existing. it's utterly befuddling. it SHOULD be clear to you what i am pointing out, and it's not. you fight me every stretch of the way, because how you SEE the world is in direct conflict with what's actually HAPPENING. what i say, should be readily apparent to EVERYONE. it's WHY trump got the most votes, ffs. because people SAW how they were being manipulated by the mass media. if you had been here in the states and saw what we did all over our networks, YOU would have likely voted for him too, i have no doubt. the reason I didn't, is because i know he's a DIFFERENT SHADE of the same thing we've had at the helm for far too long. i had thin hopes that he might be better, i admit. but those hopes were dashed once i saw the decisions he started to make. which, despite what you hear in the media, are THE SAME DECISIONS that were made by every new president once they gained power: surround themselves with LIKE company, no matter their BACKGROUND.

artu said:
there are many sources with different political views, not just one big media, there are also independent journalists and there is of course your own judgement. I don't need any media to tell me "Trump is NOT up against a cabal of Socialist, Communists, Muslim Special Interests wanting to swell their ranks and a host of other "Special" united-fronts." It's absurd to assume he is.


i'm not pinpointing what trump is up against(because i only have a vague idea of the entities that are pro-establishment. the pinpointing was markkur's thing. i can neither confirm nor deny the whole "cabal of Socialist, Communists, Muslim Special Interests wanting to swell their ranks and a host of other "Special" united-fronts" to my own knowledge, but markkur was RIGHT in that trump is up against an establishment UNITY), other than the government and their entities; the same as obama was up against that SAME machine. you SAW all the infighting in congress because of HIM, right? now, you're seeing that same fighting from the same people who want to CONTINUE ASSUMING THEIR CONTROL. when you claim "different political views", you are telling me that you HAVEN'T been watching u.s. media. like i said before, even the "anti-hillary" secret-email-scandal was only aired a couple times, compared to the FLOOD of anti-trump stuff that was pushed on EVERY network, from MULTIPLE shows and sources. that OBVIOUS media manipulation is WHY people SIDED with trump in the numbers they did.

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posted March 01, 2017 03:53 PM

artu said:
"Trump is NOT up against a cabal of Socialist, Communists, Muslim Special Interests wanting to swell their ranks and a host of other "Special" united-fronts." It's absurd to assume he is.

That statement is what is absurd. Watch that video and dispute what those people said ON CAMERA.

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posted March 01, 2017 04:00 PM

fred79 said:
...other than the government and their entities; the same as obama was up against that SAME machine. you SAW all the infighting in congress because of HIM, right?

Glad you mentioned that because what happened to Obama, which was hard to believe really...he became a worse BUSH jr. and now it already looks like Trump has been Trumped by his own VP. God I hope this doesn't end up another Chaney/Bush union where President Trump is just the golfing-figurehead & wining and dining while VP Pence actually setting policy. Time will tell. I have some hope but it is shrinking.

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posted March 01, 2017 04:14 PM

fred79 said:
what, exactly, is improbable about social marketing? what is improbable about lying to manipulate? what is improbable about REAL corruption and how the public at large is being manipulated to think otherwise?

Those are just general concepts, nothing specific. Yes, there is social marketing, lying and manipulation in the world and NOBODY said there isn't. This doesn't change the fact that some claims are lunacy though, for instance, if somebody tells you that global warming is a hoax (a conspiracy requiring thousands of scientists from all around the world related to the subject to be participants of the hoax) and you say that's bullcrap, "why, isn't there lying and manipulation in the world, how can you know for sure, maybe they intimidated all the scientists, they have secret service assassins, think for yourself, dont believe everything you read in the papers etc." would not be a valid answer. We are talking about specific things here, I give you actual examples, JJ links articles with factual information, check the last one, Minion asks you a simple, specific question, "if you claim something, can you show an example of it?" You reply, "I am not your servant!"

Now, yes, there was of course, more reaction to Trump than Clinton in the media but the only reason for that is not the establishment buying out all the press. Trump is not a regular candidate, he is a very provocative, ignorant and potentially dangerous (as president material) person. The concerns regarding these are not just propaganda, they are legit concerns. If frostysh was about to become the moderator of the OSM, a lot of us would speak out of our concerns and it wouldn't be because the old Mod Squad bought us out. Trump is a populist and he used the "anti-establishment" rhetoric cunningly, I have said this for I don't know how many times now. But this doesn't make all the objection against him some clog in a propaganda machine. I think you people are in for quite the show in the next coming years, just wait and see.

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posted March 01, 2017 05:01 PM

artu said:
if somebody tells you that global warming is a hoax (a conspiracy requiring thousands of scientists from all around the world related to the subject to be participants of the hoax) and you say that's bullcrap, "why, isn't there lying and manipulation in the world, how can you know for sure, maybe they intimidated all the scientists, they have secret service assassins, think for yourself, dont believe everything you read in the papers etc." would not be a valid answer. We are talking about specific things here, I give you actual examples, JJ links articles with factual information, check the last one, Minion asks you a simple, specific question, "if you claim something, can you show an example of it?" You reply, "I am not your servant!"


i would never say that global warming doesn't exist, and you know that. i've been very vocal about it.

i haven't checked jj's link(s) yet, because i am addressing the "everyone who doesn't believe the media is a tin-foil-hat-wearing conspiracy theorist" issue that i'm seeing atm. which is utter bullsnow. it's stupid at best, and detrimental to progress as a unified people for what's right, at worst.

i don't bother attempting to point out anything to minion specifically, because 1: he's rude, and 2: he's lazy and demands to be spoon-fed. i won't bother pointing anything specifically out for you or jj, because if neither of you have been paying attention to what's going on and will continue to refute the plethora of evidence out there, there's no point. any links i post(and i've mentioned the .gov previously-classified stuff), will just be refuted incessantly by people who refuse to see what's happening around them. it's a waste of my time(just like this argument is, but at least i can voice what i need to).

artu said:
I think you people are in for quite the show in the next coming years, just wait and see.


i'm sure we will have quite a show, that much we can agree on.

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posted March 01, 2017 05:14 PM

fred said:
i would never say that global warming doesn't exist, and you know that. i've been very vocal about it.

That's exactly why I picked it as an example. Some of your defense, based on generalizations such as "politicians are lying, evil snow, media tells lies, people are greedy etc." can be used as a joker card to defend anything including that global warming is a hoax just as well. Every specific claim is handled separately, when somebody links or concludes something serious and credible or potentially credible, at least reasonable, I don't approach with prejudice. When this is not the case, such filler arguments don't mean much though.
 

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posted March 01, 2017 05:17 PM

but you DO approach with prejudice, artu. you said so yourself. because of what i've said before(more of what you don't agree on, and think of me as some logically-flawed tin-foil-hat moron), you don't consider the truth of what i'm saying now.

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posted March 01, 2017 05:24 PM

That's not prejudice, that's your written record. When you do present something reasonable, it wouldn't affect my judgement though. Tin foil hat crazy doesn't necessarily equate to moron, it's more like ramblings of an undisciplined mind.
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posted March 01, 2017 05:51 PM

so... what you're saying is, i rack disciprine? i'll concede to that.

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posted March 01, 2017 06:18 PM

JollyJoker said:
Another good article


if the article is indeed correct, one good point is that at least he'll be deporting illegal immigrants. i fully agree with that. i hope that everyone who tries to resist are deported as well. every single person who would resist such a thing, do NOT belong in the u.s.

legal immigration is fine. ILLEGAL immigration is NOT fine. and taxpayers helping to foot the bill for them? DEFINITELY not fine. that was a big issue i had with the previous administration.

but that'll probably NEVER happen anyway.

another good point, is that the ever-expanding intelligence community are quarreling with trump, and vice versa. the intelligence community needs shut down at this point, imo(simply because they're working for themselves and the people who they're exchanging our information with, and NOT the people of the u.s.). when i got out of the military, there was only ONE job i found in the hundreds i searched through, that WASN'T surveillance-oriented. and this was surveillance on AMERICANS.

but then, with them gone, i suspect trump and his roving band of ne'er-do-wells will have full reign to do as they please, at that point. so it would really be a hollow victory if the intelligence community were to shut down, or even be restrained(which they SHOULD be, and by a WATCHDOG group akin to the hackers who exposed hillary and the dem's corruption and lawbreaking).

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posted March 01, 2017 06:32 PM
Edited by markkur at 18:34, 01 Mar 2017.

fred79 said:
if the article is indeed correct, one good point is that at least he'll be deporting illegal immigrants. i fully agree with that. i hope that everyone who tries to resist are deported as well. every single person who would resist such a thing, do NOT belong in the u.s.

legal immigration is fine. ILLEGAL immigration is NOT fine. and taxpayers helping to foot the bill for them? DEFINITELY not fine. that was a big issue i had with the previous administration.

but that'll probably NEVER happen anyway.

another good point, is that the ever-expanding intelligence community are quarreling with trump, and vice versa. the intelligence community needs shut down at this point, imo(simply because they're working for themselves and the people who they're exchanging our information with, and NOT the people of the u.s.). when i got out of the military, there was only ONE job i found in the hundreds i searched through, that WASN'T surveillance-oriented. and this was surveillance on AMERICANS.

but then, with them gone, i suspect trump and his roving band of ne'er-do-wells will have full reign to do as they please, at that point. so it would really be a hollow victory if the intelligence community were to shut down, or even be restrained(which they SHOULD be, and by a WATCHDOG group akin to the hackers who exposed hillary and the dem's corruption and lawbreaking).

Good post Fred. Speaking of Watchdog groups many that used to exist? Are gone now. Oversight is now nearly non-existent - except in cases where the "foxes are the only ones guarding the hens." I know I don't have to explain that to you.

FYI, Folks the video I linked was taken down at U-tube. It appears a "copyright-issue" like so many videos that get uploaded there. I didn't check and probably should have and I sure don't blame the guy after spending 20 years of his life on that stuff maybe wanting to pay some of his bills.

Btw, good ol' Bernie is already giving an anti-Presidential address based on...now get this..."what President Trump DID NOT SAY". Now we are at a new level in Politics, when a sell-out to his own "supposed" party is the front man to talk about what was NOT said. Good grief, only in my poor backward nation.

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posted March 01, 2017 08:52 PM

You don't seem to get the important points.

Why are immigrants an issue?

An issue is, that Wall Street is soaring, that alone should give you reason to think. Your problem in the US are not illegal immigrants, it's the fact that the rich guys are getting always richer, and LIKE MAD. The problem isn't that taxes are too high, the problem is that taxes are too LOW AND that social benefits AND salaries are too low as well. One reason is that your worker unions are "corps" as well - if you can call it that way.

In other words - it HASN'T BEEN your darn government that is screwing you, it's your employers that have been screwing you and your worker unions - and the government is just an extended arm of them, a different kind of corp competition for tax money and tax reductions. Your government isn't CORRUPT, it's just competitive capitalism at its most ruthless.

The insane thing is to assume, a billionaire would somehow change that . just because he makes a point of being a pompous a$$hole without manners. What is even more insane is to assume that we would all be puppeteered - but there was some kind of Hollywood-matrix-like escape. If there really is a conspiracy you are obviously screwed, no matter what, because this ISN'T Hollywood, it's the real world, and if there WERE these kinds of masterminds, they wouldn't leave any loopholes - except PLANNED ones, as some puppeteered outlet.

There are multinational megacorps for a long time now - and they STILL compete. Just think about manufacturers of military airplanes. McDonnel/Douglas merged with Boeing. Fairchild bought Dornier, that was bought by German insurance Allianz, but eventually was bought by Israeli Defense contractor Elbit.

Then there is Lockheed/Martin (who bought General Dynamics and would have bought Northrop but were not allowed to), the biggest defense contractor worldwide.

And there is Northrop Grumman, of course. And that's only the AMERICAN corps.

They COMPETE. Legally and illegally.

And that's only military AIRCRAFT. So when the US are increasing their defense budget, there is a PLETHORA of interested parties who wants a piece of the pie. It's not a CONSPIRACY. It's a FIGHT for top dollars. Now, Northrop Grumman, just to give an example has three "arms", one in Cal (Aerospace(, one on Maryland (Electronis) and one in Virginia (Information Systems).
Senators and Congressmen of these 3 states DO have an interest in securing top dollar for NorGrum, because that means, they may hire additional workers/ their workers will be on full working schedule.

Is that corruption? No, that's politics in CAPITALISM.

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posted March 01, 2017 11:33 PM

JollyJoker said:
Is that corruption? No, that's politics in CAPITALISM.

JJ why I would have to tell you this I seriously don't know but the United States of American has already been derailed, because we have State-Controlled Capitalism - our Free Market it NOT free and our Stock Market is not even close to a sound investment for ordinary Americans. Bottom line...we MUST have change.

If you need a role-model of mine, than look no farther than your own German history. I don't remember the man's (name) but I well remember how he put real Capitalism and a true free-market to work. That man took your nation from ruins and rubble to a absolutely astounding turn-around and laid the foundation for where Germany is today.

You know, it's sad to me, I've heard people over the years say this; "But we've not had real Socialism/Communism yet, Stalin etc. etc. had something else." However, the notion that the same thing could happen to a "much better system than Communism" seems to escape too many minds today.

<imvho> If you don't know the dude I'm talking about, you really should investigate the man's decisions (post WWII)that that led to Germany's recovery and would later become the nation's front-man. I don't think President Trump will match your leading figure from history but he's got an "outside chance" of righting some wrongs. That's my hope anyway.

Markkur...over an out.

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No, no, markkur. They have state-controlled capitalism in China. In the US you have a capitalism-controlled state. In Europe - and Germany - we are in-between that.
Since WW2 the biggest business in the US is WAR and the military. In real current prices, until 9/11 US military expenditures have been around 300 billion bucks a year. After 9/11 that has gone up to more than double the figure, 2011 being the peak with over 700 billion.

There you go. There is your tax money. And then look at this. Interesting, right? "The F-35 program is responsible for more than 146.000 US jobs."

Wall Street isn't safe for ordinary people? Are you kidding me? It's pretty fragging obvious what kind of stock you need to buy in the US. If you think, oh, dear, Presidents tweet is pretty costly, well, those shares may have dropped from 259.50 to 246, but two days ago they closed with a solid 266. Want to know how you would have fared, if you bought Lockheed-martin stock after 9/11? Look here. You'd have bought them at roughly 30 bucks. 7 years later, you'd have been at +167% - only to drop during the crisis as deep as 48. But selling at 60 would still have been 100% profit. In the last 4 years the stock has TRIPLED its value from around the 80 of before the crisis to a current 266, Trump tweets or not.
Happenstance? Compare with developments at Northrop-Grumman. Looks similar?

So. The US are quite big in the business of war - and Trump will up the ante again (which is the reason why his tweets about how scandalously expensive the toys are have not much of a long-term effect).
Peace doesn't sell those toys. I mean, it's even in your language. US is in a war on drugs, on terror, on corruption, on crime, on dishonest news agencies - you name it.
You thought Hillary would plunge you into it?

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posted March 02, 2017 10:23 AM
Edited by artu at 11:28, 02 Mar 2017.

Markkur said:
the United States of American has already been derailed, because we have State-Controlled Capitalism

JJ said:
No, no, markkur. They have state-controlled capitalism in China. In the US you have a capitalism-controlled state. In Europe - and Germany - we are in-between that.

Exactly.


Markkur, forget communism, communism failed and it's not coming back. But a completely unregulated capitalism is not the idealistic free market as you intend to think. The problem in the U.S. is not that capitalism is regulated, the problem is that it's regulated for the already ultra-rich, not balance. You see, associating freedom with the "free market" goes back to the times of thinkers like John Locke, Adam Smith. They lived in the world of a blossoming out middle-class fighting for their "own space" both economically and ideologically, on the other end were the aristocrat landlords with their privileges and centuries old social power. They lived in a world of local shop owners, small factories, closed borders and custom tax. The closest thing to today's big corporations would be the (in)famous East India Company but their business was mostly colonial. So, when you read those early liberals you will notice that what they mostly focus on is the rights of a property owner and the right to trade. (That's why in today's world, mvass will tell you that if you find a historical artifact in your backyard, you should have the right to destroy it or that it should be completely free to sell heroin in grocery stores.)
Like all things, capitalism evolved though, today we live in a very very different world. Money is mostly virtual, the market global then ever before and capitalism now has its own "landlords." People who control the money flaw, speculate with it and by controlling such liquidity, having a transnational power that can even give rise to military coups. You see, the thing about capitalism is, as they say, "money makes money," so, when you get ahead, you start to accumulate economic advantage in an accelerating rate. There is this mobile game, Agar.io, you are a circle hovering around in empty space eating other circles, the more circles you eat, the bigger you get and when two circles encounter and touch, the bigger one devours the smaller one. That's how capitalism works, you grow richer, you buy out competition and at some point you grow into a monopoly and when that happens, you practically OWN the market because you have all the maneuver space and the power to speculate. Coca Cola for instance, first tries to buy out the competition, I remember reading the story of how they tried to buy out a German cola company, when the Germans asked "why are you so interested in buying us out, you are Coca Cola!" they replied "that's how we operate." If you don't sell, Coca Cola representatives then tells the markets and grocery stores, if its products are not on front shelves, they will not be giving you those refrigerators with banners for free anymore, or they wont pay you for those advertising boards etc, if that doesn't do it either, well, they are Coca Cola, they have the capital and stamina to sell their product at a reduced price for, say, 8 months, the competition doesn't have that kind of muscle, so while the big company reduces its prices like some siege army waiting for the enemy in the castle to starve out, you simply go out of business because everybody will buy the incredibly cheaper product. The result, Agar.io:


       
Then Markkur, you will be writing how it's incredibly dull to travel through the country and eat the same burger in every corner. But how can your average local restaurant compete with a chain-store? They have better advertisement and psychological conditioning, cheaper products, better distribution... Keep in mind that all of this is perfectly legal. Under capitalism, none of the things above are criminal acts and some will even say such standardization is even a good thing. But this is not just about which Cola you drink, it's also about which country you'll impose an embergo on or which tax law you'll pass and nothing about the "free market" results in fair competition because at some point capital power reaches a point where it is able to determine the conditions of that competition, it's like a box game, where one of the boxers keep getting more heavy-weight each round.  
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posted March 02, 2017 11:12 AM

And that nice picture of "food corporations" is only a small part of the whole mosaic. You could add, say, banks, insurances and oil companies, enlargening the picture, and you'd have a lot more links between them - because it's much more profitable, when you are organized vertically.

For example, say, you are a big car manufacturer (that survived the age of small automobile producers becoming extinct or bought) - well, cars are expensive, and when you want to sell cars to the masses, said masses need loans, one way or another. So instead of pointing them to "a bank" - why not have your own bank? Lending people the money to buy their cars - at a slightly better interest rate than the rest of the lot?

And since cars will be object of one or another insurance, why not have an insurance company as well - or "partner" with one?

And since cars need fuel to operate ... well, you get the drift.

Now, you can imagine that this kind of economic interest has a lot of clout, especially considering that "cars" ar something a lot of people really like and even more people want that don't own one, yet. Road building comes to mind as something this "corporate clout" would have a serious interest in. Laws dealing with cars and their use as well.

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posted March 02, 2017 11:53 AM

it's funny that you posted that image, artu. i would've figured you seeing it as conspiracy theory stuff. i have the other images that displays how everything else ties everything else together. i'll find them and post them later(because i'm going to play a video game i haven't played in months). although, you and jj will probably start decrying "conspiracy theory!" afterward.

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posted March 02, 2017 11:58 AM

Why should I call something documanted a conspiracy theory? I mean, it's not like these are even supposed to be secrets or illegal, companies legally own other companies.
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