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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted November 11, 2015 04:33 PM |
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Bitula said:
Just look on some of the units: they look like a 10 year old kid has drawn them.
Can you name these units?
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted November 11, 2015 04:33 PM |
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Edited by Pawek_13 at 16:35, 11 Nov 2015.
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PandaTar said:
Meanwhile, some people, like me, cannot understand why you like a Heroes game with 3D graphics. This is one of the things that put me away since H5. I do prefer 2D for this sort of game.
I disagree. For me, the problem is not in 3D but in a way it is implemented. Unit size on the battlefield, map scaling - this issues would need to looked into if there was any Heroes game in a future, which at that moment seems not so probable.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted November 11, 2015 04:38 PM |
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Elvin said:
Heroes never was about historical/mythological accuracy because who cares  How many would want an ugly as hell succubus for instance? Ubi on the other hand is going with (arbitrary) Ashan accuracy which again, who cares.
then why did you answer to an "Ubi Heroes is making them X monster in name only"? Didnt I tell you to actually answer when you could actually make a solid point?
Stevie said:
Butterfly dragons, the plethora of dragonblood infused beasts, the majority of Ashan's fauna being academy experiments (orcs, beastmen, lizardmen, etc.), Seraphs as half human half angel, thanes being lava bathed dwarves, vampires and liches being humans drinking radioactive green jizz, death knights and reapers being in fact vampires, coral priestesses and medusas being in fact nagas, the mentioned cerberus having 2 heads, succubus and incubus being in fact demonologists, and I'm sure this is not all of it. Add to that the many other non-mythical, non-legendary, non-folklore creatures like spiders, snakes, wolves, bears, deer, mimes, and whoever knows what other balderdash while Unicorns, Phoenixes and Manticores are put for vote and consequently tossed out and you get the picture why this game lost what was crucial core appeal. This new "high fantasy" vision which no doubt in my mind Erwanifico came up while playing his favourite World of Warcraft game has done nothing more than to alienate the original medieval fantasy setting and sword and sorcery feel that Heroes previously had.
1-It does have eyes in the wings and swallowtail butterfly hints in the end of the wings, that doesnt break my fantasy of black dragon but w.e. i'll let it pass
2-Giving them origins other than "they just are" neither is bad design or changed their appearance (except for the Scorpicore, but those were just as monochromatic in H3=
3-Enroth had a similar case, change Wizards with Dungeon overlords
4-Still looks like an angel. The H7 is my favorite angel in the series tbh
5-A thane was just a norse lord and the actual norse word for fire giant is annoying to spell. Unsure of your point
6-I wouldnt consider the blood of Satan any less "radioactive" because it's red.
7-Being Nagas is terrible but opposed to being beastmen like H3 is good? I thought you didnt like beastmen lol
8-Didnt alter they design either.
Yes, i imagine that the town lineups not having the same snowing creatures in every snowing game must be awful, my heart is really broken too lol, adding those two animals and replacing magic horse with magic deer sucks.
If you consider the oldVerse approach regarding the story better, i cant say thats wrong, those are your views. The reasons you two give (minus the last thing Ralph said, because its a personal thing) are absolute bs that doesnt hold up tho lmao.
Galaad said:
Of course it's a matter of taste, sorry to put it this way but homm players will want homm graphics.
And what makes you think that means are NWC-style stuff lol? The 20 people that agree with your here? lmao. It's not the 90s anymore. Worse, you dont even know which route would have NWC taken regarding the graphics had they made the full leap to 3D.
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PandaTar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Celestial Heavens Mascot
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posted November 11, 2015 04:43 PM |
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Edited by PandaTar at 16:46, 11 Nov 2015.
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Pawek_13 said:
PandaTar said:
Meanwhile, some people, like me, cannot understand why you like a Heroes game with 3D graphics. This is one of the things that put me away since H5. I do prefer 2D for this sort of game.
I disagree. For me, the problem is not in 3D but in a way it is implemented. Unit size on the battlefield, map scaling - this issues would need to looked into if there was any Heroes game in a future, which at that moment seems not so probable.
You disagree with what?
I'm not making a point, I'm expressing a feeling, either way it's implemented, that's a personal input. What you are reasoning about is something that have never come to be, describing it as a problem, either true or false for different people. ^^
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GlaDOS – Portal 2
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted November 11, 2015 05:02 PM |
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All points about visuals and aesthetics have already been made long ago in this thread and I can't think of a useful reason to start this all over again.
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fuChris
Promising
Supreme Hero
Master to the Speed of Light
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posted November 11, 2015 05:09 PM |
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Edited by fuChris at 17:11, 11 Nov 2015.
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Galaad said:
...I can't think of a useful reason to start this all over again.
Killing time untill something noteworthy happens? This thread should have been moved to the VW ages ago with all the spam.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted November 11, 2015 05:12 PM |
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Bitula
Known Hero
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posted November 11, 2015 05:43 PM |
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Edited by Bitula at 17:49, 11 Nov 2015.
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Macron1 said:
Bitula said:
Just look on some of the units: they look like a 10 year old kid has drawn them.
Can you name these units?
I don't have it installed.
Elemantals - messed up human forms, some mages - just a cape and a head, dragons - like sitting imps.
I mean do you really think an artist is required to draw these? I always had the feeling I can draw similar figures myself lol (they look like dolls), but maybe I just don't understand the complex aesthetics behind them, lol. Sorry, I don't want to upset anyone, so I can accept that the “error” is in me, but it’s very hard to believe that they are objectively artistic or proficient.
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted November 11, 2015 06:06 PM |
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Just a cape and a head, what else do you need?
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted November 11, 2015 06:08 PM |
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The_green_drag said:
Just a cape and a head, what else do you need?
Sparkles, smoke, rainbow reflexes and maybe glowing eyes. 
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted November 11, 2015 06:14 PM |
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Lol and spikes! Lots of spikes!
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Bitula
Known Hero
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posted November 11, 2015 06:18 PM |
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The_green_drag said:
Just a cape and a head, what else do you need?
Don't know, but it looked like how a kid would have drawn it, if I would say, hey son draw me a mage, I just imagine that's how he would draw it. I mean do you really think, you need some sort of talent or expertise to draw these? For example, do you really think that you yourself can’t draw these figures? Lol.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted November 11, 2015 06:23 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 18:23, 11 Nov 2015.
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted November 11, 2015 06:33 PM |
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PandaTar said:
Meanwhile, some people, like me, cannot understand why you like a Heroes game with 3D graphics. This is one of the things that put me away since H5. I do prefer 2D for this sort of game.
Then Heroes has unfortunately no future for you. 2D games are the past (as regards TBS).
I guess most of players prefer 3D the same as me, maybe not in community but as regards of total amount of players.
If you like 2D so much, keep playing H3.
For all the others, welcome, new Heroes!
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Bitula
Known Hero
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posted November 11, 2015 06:33 PM |
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Edited by Bitula at 18:36, 11 Nov 2015.
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Stevie said:
So basically you're laughing at their intuitiveness.
No I am laughing on that figure. That figure didn't look good. I can understand that Homm3 is a tactically superior game (I don't completely agree, just understand from some point of view). But you guys exaggerate a bit with this visual’s argument. The visuals are quite amateurish in Homm3 IMO. I wouldn’t want say UBI listen to these comments and create H8 with the same 2D style as H3. No waaaaay!!!! It can be 2d, ok from my side, but not the homm3 design/quality.
Edit: Exception are the town screens. Those do look good. But not better than H5!
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 11, 2015 06:37 PM |
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GenyaArikado said:
then why did you answer to an "Ubi Heroes is making them X monster in name only"? Didnt I tell you to actually answer when you could actually make a solid point?
Spare me the jerkish attitude if you will, I think you understand my point just fine but you choose to nitpick about it. If you disagree that is another case entirely but do it in a civil manner and tone. Keep disrespecting posters you will only earn more penalties.
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DoubleDeck
Promising
Legendary Hero
Look into my eyes...
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posted November 11, 2015 06:42 PM |
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Anyone have the same problem as me in H7....can't seem to rotate camera with mouse since patch 1.4....can't keybind it either...?
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted November 11, 2015 06:53 PM |
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Bitula said:
No I am laughing on that figure. That figure didn't look good. I can understand that Homm3 is a tactically superior game (I don't completely agree, just understand from some point of view). But you guys exaggerate a bit with this visual’s argument. The visuals are quite amateurish in Homm3 IMO. I wouldn’t want say UBI listen to these comments and create H8 with the same 2D style as H3. No waaaaay!!!! It can be 2d, ok from my side, but not the homm3 design/quality.
Edit: Exception are the town screens. Those do look good. But not better than H5!
there's an old Dirty Harry quote about these things, not as if there will be a Heroes 8 to argue over in any case though lol
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PandaTar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Celestial Heavens Mascot
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posted November 11, 2015 06:58 PM |
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Antalyan said:
Then Heroes has unfortunately no future for you. 2D games are the past (as regards TBS).
I guess most of players prefer 3D the same as me, maybe not in community but as regards of total amount of players.
If you like 2D so much, keep playing H3.
It seems you didn't grasp what I tried to say.
Of course it has, *sigh*, if it is compelling on mechanics and the other factors other than visuals. The fact that I prefer simpler graphics makes me less impressed by wonderful graphics, you see. Although I prefer the old style for this franchise in special, I will play newer versions if they compensate on the non-visual side and I find it rather alarming having this line of thought of only playing H3 because it's 2D.
I played H5 for a while and had some fun with it. But the visual upgrade did more harm than good for my personal experience, so it was not, in the slightest, the reasons I enjoyed H5. As long as they compensate visuals, which is not my main motivation to play this game at all, I can pretty much enjoy newer versions. Sadly, H6 and H7 didn't compensate for me.
Besides, I have a flair for 3D these days, but generally for games such as Mass Effect, Portal, as well as '2.5D' games, artistically, embellished and funny ones such as Ori and the Blind Forest.
The matter with a game such as Heroes, which already has a certain configuration in my mind when it comes to graphics, is that it is trying to look like having adult-oriented graphics. Although I rather find it ok and agree it is the way to go, I think they are stepping back from H5. The game, aside all its improvements visually, feels and looks childish all the same. So you have H1 and H2, with PEGI around 7-9 years old, and H3 with 12 years old, it is quite normal that you have graphics and visuals compelling more the youngest target, although the game survives up to this due the features which are not dependable on age alone. Even H5 is PEGI 12, which was somehow felt in the way campaigns went about. Now, you have PEGI 16 for Heroes 7, and still the game's aura feels like it's not evolved, and units look less 'adult' than many of those from H5/6.
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"Okay. Look. We both said a lot of things that you're going to regret. But I think we can put our differences behind us. For science. You monster."
GlaDOS – Portal 2
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted November 11, 2015 07:43 PM |
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DoubleDeck said:
Anyone have the same problem as me in H7....can't seem to rotate camera with mouse since patch 1.4....can't keybind it either...?
You can toggle it on and off in the options button now and since that patch they turned it off for everyone. You just have to flip it on.
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