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Maurice
Maurice

Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
posted October 13, 2015 12:25 PM

gomaki said:
For those of you that have managed to play and put in a reasonable amount of hours i'de like to start gathering any sort of Unit/skill/spell/tactic balancing feedback so we can go forward with tweaking some numbers.


Hey Dan,

Are you (=developers) also considering AI pathing issues? Right now especially Large units tend to have issues with the obstacles while trying to reach their targets across the battlefield. They don't appear to consider them beyond the range of their actual turn, causing some weird behaviour. Also, when the AI is moving units, it doesn't consider other units (especially Large ones) that yet have to act and sometimes get blocked off as a result.

A more general question: you mentioned something about patch info coming this week. Is it too early to ask for it yet?

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3lion
3lion


Known Hero
posted October 13, 2015 12:35 PM

farfromrefuge said:
3lion said:
Elvin said:


Ubi has shown time and again that they do not understand the game or the community.  

Does it give to you or to anybody rights to insult someone in person?


Yes.


Sad to hear.

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gomaki
gomaki

Shaper of Lore
Community Manager, Limbic Ent.
posted October 13, 2015 12:53 PM

Maurice said:
gomaki said:
For those of you that have managed to play and put in a reasonable amount of hours i'de like to start gathering any sort of Unit/skill/spell/tactic balancing feedback so we can go forward with tweaking some numbers.


Hey Dan,

Are you (=developers) also considering AI pathing issues? Right now especially Large units tend to have issues with the obstacles while trying to reach their targets across the battlefield. They don't appear to consider them beyond the range of their actual turn, causing some weird behaviour. Also, when the AI is moving units, it doesn't consider other units (especially Large ones) that yet have to act and sometimes get blocked off as a result.

A more general question: you mentioned something about patch info coming this week. Is it too early to ask for it yet?


Hey Maurice, I will speak to Oak to see if there has been any improvement with AI pathing. I tentatively want to say yes, because I know AI has been improved exponentially in many areas but i'll get a more solid response on that.

Yep I believe there is a patch up date today, but i'll find out more after lunch to give everyone a heads up with more info.

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verriker
verriker


Honorable
Legendary Hero
Jonny Come Sometime
posted October 13, 2015 12:56 PM

3lion said:
Sad to hear.


some of you guys actually astonish me with the dour hand-wringing, it feels like culture clash to me,

come to Britain or the USA, where the caricature, satire and parody of bad politicians, football managers, artists and just about any professional who is responsible for their actions are fundamental human rights defended and exercised by just about everyone lol
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gomaki
gomaki

Shaper of Lore
Community Manager, Limbic Ent.
posted October 13, 2015 12:58 PM

verriker said:
3lion said:
Sad to hear.


some of you guys actually astonish me with the dour hand-wringing, it feels like culture clash to me,

come to Britain or the USA, where the caricature, satire and parody of bad politicians, football managers, artists and just about any professional who is responsible for their actions are fundamental human rights defended and exercised by just about everyone lol


Everyone should watch Black Mirror, atleast the first episode to learn a bit of British humor.

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Stevie
Stevie


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
HC SUPPORTER
posted October 13, 2015 12:59 PM
Edited by Stevie at 13:07, 13 Oct 2015.

gomaki said:
Yep I believe there is a patch up date today, but i'll find out more after lunch to give everyone a heads up with more info.


Finally. Better be today. This can't go on any longer.
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verriker
verriker


Honorable
Legendary Hero
Jonny Come Sometime
posted October 13, 2015 12:59 PM

gomaki said:
Everyone should watch Black Mirror, atleast the first episode to learn a bit of British humor.


and preferably the entire Charlie Brooker catalogue, he is my hero lol
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3lion
3lion


Known Hero
posted October 13, 2015 01:19 PM

verriker said:


some of you guys actually astonish me with the dour hand-wringing, it feels like culture clash to me,

come to Britain or the USA, where the caricature, satire and parody of bad politicians, football managers, artists and just about any professional who is responsible for their actions are fundamental human rights defended and exercised by just about everyone lol


Yep, I know this. Recently the whole world got familiar with French culture of caricature. And we all know that what is okay in one country is not acceptable in other. I don't condemn it (honestly, I do), I just said that I don't get it. I feel myself uncomfortable being part of it and just trying to keep distance from it. Maybe you are right, and we must just let it go, and let you do whatever you think is fun, and just not be involved neither through participation nor through condemnation.

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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted October 13, 2015 01:23 PM

kiryu133 said:
Look, guys. It's simple. attack the game, marketing, statements etc however much you want. that's fine. But the second you attack Erwan or any individual you've crossed the line. Making up a cult in his honour is pretty funny and not inherently wrong (as is pointing out the lies and deceit etc. that Ubi has spread) but when you attack him directly through use of shopped images and personal insults...

that's where the line is crossed.

There were no personal insults, the whole thing was just satiric, some liked it, others not, but yes it's the first time I've seen the blog being moderated on a Sunday. Do NOT touch Erwin, the [censored] [censored] [censored].
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verriker
verriker


Honorable
Legendary Hero
Jonny Come Sometime
posted October 13, 2015 01:26 PM

3lion said:
Yep, I know this. Recently the whole world got familiar with French culture of caricature. And we all know that what is okay in one country is not acceptable in other. I don't condemn it (honestly, I do), I just said that I don't get it. I feel myself uncomfortable being part of it and just trying to keep distance from it. Maybe you are right, and we must just let it go, and let you do whatever you think is fun, and just not be involved neither through participation nor through condemnation.


that would seem fair enough, because as uncomfortable as it makes me, I've rarely ever condemned anyone for sitting back and not helping take Ubisoft's anti-consumerism to task lol
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Hermes
Hermes


Famous Hero
posted October 13, 2015 01:30 PM

imid said:


Hermes, you had 2 options to comment on: AI and graphics...you chose the wrong one. This tells me a lot about your interests, but I'm not here to fight with the fans. Check the new modes and see what this amazing community can do in a such short time ...do you mind if I give an UGHHH to these morons from ubilimbic? Heroes 7 is a FIASCO, the only hope is that the community can change something..



I could not comment on AI because in Heroes VII so far I find it satisfactory. I own all KB games however but played them in total may be 2 hours(new ones), and as I was disturbed by its graphics and sluggish gameplay too much I just could not keep up with it.

Quote:
Skill system, magic system, seven tier recruitment system, initiative, heck even 3D townscreens could be considered.


Skill system -  I can understand why some people might not like the skillwheel, but I thought random skill system was implemented for these people? Anyway, I cant understand what is wrong with Magic system at all, there is actually a 5 tier system as Maurice said(just test it - have Basilisk rider against say, Wyvern or Blade dancer and see what happens), with 2 alternate champions - first since H4.

3d townscreen were not so popular IIRC, and initiative has been there since H5(in H5m admittedly it was rather OP).


Now, to a guy whose name I already forgot who thinks he has a right to insult and bully devs for whatever reason - you are an idiot, period.

Moving on, about pre-orders. I, as you may know, have the Collectors Edition and it has arrived with all inclusions and nicely packaged. If I did not get physical disk and soundtrack - I would only cared about soundtrack since I did not even waste time inserting CD since I would still have to download the patch, so instead I downloaded the whole thing. So I would actually not mind not to receive physical disks and get a free game instead.

And to Dan,

As I said in PM I have one major concern right now - DESTINY

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Bitula
Bitula


Known Hero
posted October 13, 2015 01:32 PM
Edited by Bitula at 13:35, 13 Oct 2015.

Maurice said:

Skill system: Random vs. free choice



Yes I understand this. But I use to RP HOMM games (H5), so yes I use to choose bad skills, because even bad skills can be useful in certain circumstances, that is part of the fun. And I don't think I am in a minority here, although if yes, then what I am saying is not too relevant.

Magic system: Schools vs. Spells

This I already addressed: I hope the amount of content will be expanded in the future to make the large amount of schools coherent. Also it may enhance RP fun if getting a top tier spell is not as simple as usually. Again: irrelevant if one plays HOMM games differently.

Seven Tier recruitment system
I'd prefer H5's 7-tier. But from what you write this division is not something game breaking.

Initiative
I agree, but this is really just a sub-feature of the battle screen, can¡¦t be a reason for dooming the game.

Townscreens
Usability of these simplified town screens will be likely improved in patches. Anyway any such usability issues have nothing to do with core mechanics so not game braking just makes gameplay more tedious.

The second aspect is immersion.

Ashan is not immersive at all, I also like realism in fantasy settings, whereas Ashan is a fairy tale for children IMO. Luckily it is something one can just ignore. That's how I played H5: closed out Ashan from my mind and pretend it is something else.ƒ

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Bitula
Bitula


Known Hero
posted October 13, 2015 02:05 PM

Gryphs said:
Bitula said:
What most people are referring to as broken in this case is the implementation of the core features which is entirely subjective ultimately.


Also, basically I am not convinced that the majority of fans play HOMM games the way vocal community members do („hardcore tactics” vs  RP). Effectively I am playing H5 continuously since about 2005 so I’m sure that replay-ability is not connected to the “hardcore tactics” (choosing always the most effective option even when it does not fit a given Hero) way of playing alone.

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Elvin
Elvin


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Tastes like chicken
posted October 13, 2015 02:32 PM

farfromrefuge said:
3lion said:
Elvin said:


Ubi has shown time and again that they do not understand the game or the community.  

Does it give to you or to anybody rights to insult someone in person?


Yes.

No. Under no circumstances does the code of conduct allow for personal insults. Nothing wrong with poking a little fun but Erwan's case has been blown out of proportion for too long..
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gomaki
gomaki

Shaper of Lore
Community Manager, Limbic Ent.
posted October 13, 2015 02:34 PM

Ok I got some feedback regarding AI for you Maurice.

'the first part regarding obstacles, this should be improved and they now can move around obstacle gracefully.'

and

'there is no 'concerted effort' between units, so they may end up blocking their comrads. Not sure if that can be solved in a satifactory level'

That's a quote from the AI man himself so hopefully that answers that. A little more detail on the second point. Essentially all units work out what is best for them as an individual, rather than what would be best for the entire army so this is why you can see a weaker unit blocking a better unit perhaps. It's always being worked on however.

And Hermes a little update for you with regards to Destiny I spoke to the main designer regarding this and he has told me the following.

'I have a look at the last thing, the ranger class should indeed have Grandmaster destiny,I am currently working on it, should be fixed soon.

So hopefully mate in not too long a time you'll be able to have that skill to play around with

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farfromrefuge
farfromrefuge


Adventuring Hero
posted October 13, 2015 02:38 PM

farfromrefuge said:

No. Under no circumstances does the code of conduct allow for personal insults. Nothing wrong with poking a little fun but Erwan's case has been blown out of proportion for too long..


Yes. The right of free speech gives me this, at least in my country. He made sure that he was a public person for the franchise, so I will have my time expressing what I feel about both the person and his actions that affected the frachise. And if he does not feel comfortable with it - he should not have half-ass my favourite game series, turning it into a mess.

Also, he was not even THAT personally insulted. What was that offensive? The Appreciation party? The shops? Or the question about spiders and his sexual orientation, which is actually logical? I don't know, politicians sometimes have it much worse. I paid my 60 bucks for the game and have my right to express my feeling to the person responsible, especially if said person does not even understand what he did wrong and keeps considering himself a misunderstood genius.

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dark-whisperer
dark-whisperer


Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
posted October 13, 2015 02:39 PM

@gomaki
Is there any chance that you can revisit unit sizes in near future or we should ask 3Lion to fix them after every patch?

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Sempai
Sempai


Known Hero
Ubi is love
posted October 13, 2015 02:39 PM

GenyaArikado said:

The point is that SC isnt a reliable statistical population.


The failure of this statement you can get just looking around to the other H-related forums and steam reviews. Or in your world the community is divided on 2 groups: 1) The group of ppl which love the game and dont comment. 2) The group of ppl which hate the game and comment?
This is so poor logic, my friend that I won't even take into attention your future posts. I'm not the one which used to keep debating with fanatics of the Vision.

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farfromrefuge
farfromrefuge


Adventuring Hero
posted October 13, 2015 02:49 PM

dark-whisperer said:
@gomaki
Is there any chance that you can revisit unit sizes in near future or we should ask 3Lion to fix them after every patch?


They already anwered that. Short Version: 3Lion it is.

Long version - they are not going to change the internally agreed on parameters. Also, that MIGHT introduce some clipping.


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EnergyZ
EnergyZ


Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
posted October 13, 2015 02:52 PM

farfromrefuge said:

Yes. The right of free speech gives me this, at least in my country. He made sure that he was a public person for the franchise, so I will have my time expressing what I feel about both the person and his actions that affected the frachise. And if he does not feel comfortable with it - he should not have half-ass my favourite game series, turning it into a mess.


This is a forum with its own rules, though. So yeah, I'd be careful when making such statements. Erwan might've deserved that, but no need in continuing, I think, considering "the message" has been sent.

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