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JollyJoker
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posted February 28, 2015 09:46 AM

Avirosb said:
JollyJoker said:
You people behave like children.
Let me repeat for the umptieth time that the Forge has been a brilliant idea.
If not for the whole "borg" approach.
Taking existing units and recycle them makes for lazy design.
No, it would have been a MUTILATION. Most people clearly take things WAY too serious - it's a GAME for frig's sake, and the atmosphere of the game wouldn't have suffered AT ALL. HoMM 3 involves obviously very MODERN horror elements, when you look at the Necropolis, and the Inferno is something of a Dantesque hell. It's a world where everything is possible, and the fact that the Forge would have looked like a faction raping the whole world would have made for the best really EVIL faction possible, which would have been documented by the mutilated creatures.
It would have been FUN. People who don't see that clearly take things too serious, but with a 600 page thread here that's obvious anyway.

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Pawek_13
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posted February 28, 2015 09:48 AM

Avirosb said:
JollyJoker said:
You people behave like children.
Let me repeat for the umptieth time that the Forge has been a brilliant idea.
If not for the whole "borg" approach.
Taking existing units and recycle them makes for lazy design.

Problem is that Forge was to have different units. These ones were used just to present a rough concept of the faction. Besides that, these screens represented only one potential concept of the city. The other, more probable version was one with steampunk motiff. The whole situation with an interview with Greg Fulton is presented here (interview is also in English).
Although I like the concept of futuristic city in a fantasy game, I understand why some people consider it as "impure". Mixing technology with fantasy is a riaky concept, however, I must reiterate that Forge would most probably be a steampunk faction, if it had been released.

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kiryu133
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posted February 28, 2015 09:59 AM



JollyJoker said:
and the fact that the Forge would have looked like a faction raping the whole world would have made for the best really EVIL faction possible, which would have been documented by the mutilated creatures.


JollyJoker said:
It would have been FUN.



the snow?

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JollyJoker
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posted February 28, 2015 10:17 AM

Nothing more fun than kick the ass of a REALLY evil guy, and Forge would have been REALLY evil.

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Avirosb
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posted February 28, 2015 10:22 AM

JollyJoker said:
No, it would have been a MUTILATION. Most people clearly take things WAY too serious - it's a GAME for frig's sake, and the atmosphere of the game wouldn't have suffered AT ALL. HoMM 3 involves obviously very MODERN horror elements, when you look at the Necropolis, and the Inferno is something of a Dantesque hell. It's a world where everything is possible, and the fact that the Forge would have looked like a faction raping the whole world would have made for the best really EVIL faction possible, which would have been documented by the mutilated creatures.
It would have been FUN. People who don't see that clearly take things too serious, but with a 600 page thread here that's obvious anyway.
I know I wouldn't have paid for a faction consisting of sloppy photoshops and that's all there is to it.

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Stevie
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posted February 28, 2015 11:02 AM

JollyJoker said:
No, it would have been a MUTILATION. Most people clearly take things WAY too serious - it's a GAME for frig's sake, and the atmosphere of the game wouldn't have suffered AT ALL. HoMM 3 involves obviously very MODERN horror elements, when you look at the Necropolis, and the Inferno is something of a Dantesque hell. It's a world where everything is possible, and the fact that the Forge would have looked like a faction raping the whole world would have made for the best really EVIL faction possible, which would have been documented by the mutilated creatures.
It would have been FUN. People who don't see that clearly take things too serious, but with a 600 page thread here that's obvious anyway.


You're just shouting your own opinion at this point.
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kiryu133
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posted February 28, 2015 11:06 AM
Edited by kiryu133 at 11:06, 28 Feb 2015.

eh, i'm tired of straight up medieval fantasy. Forge might not have been the most fitting or whatever faction, but don't deny it wouldn't be a heap more interesting than what we got.

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Zombi_Wizzard
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posted February 28, 2015 11:23 AM

Stevie said:
You're just shouting your own opinion at this point.

Isn't everyone? Posts are always opinion of the one who post it. They are not general facts. That's the whole point. And I belive all have freedom to express their opinion, even if it contradicts majority.

With that said, I too, feel forge was interasting idea, however, if it was to be introduced, I would like for other factions to change a bit aswell, so forge would not look that outlandish. And I'm not talking extreme sci-fi elements for all factions, but subtle things like ... maybe rifles instead of crossbow for Haven ... stuff like that. Undead already have kinda sci-fi alien-ish look to them. Forge would still be very diferent from rest of them tho.

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EPICUSDOOMICUS
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posted February 28, 2015 11:55 AM
Edited by EPICUSDOOMICUS at 11:57, 28 Feb 2015.

artu said:
I dont play World of Warcraft, if you link some pictures that might help. But guessing from the series' visual tradition and other comments, I am assuming that even if there are alien ships, their design and style is steampunkish.

Maybe I can help:



These are from Hearthstone "Heroes of Warcraft" card game, but you get the concept...
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artu
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posted February 28, 2015 12:02 PM
Edited by artu at 12:03, 28 Feb 2015.

Thanks Epicusdoomicus, these are steampunk indeed.

Dave_Jame said:
I wouldn't even dare to call Star-wars Sci-fi. It is close to fantasy with lasers. But Sci-fi is more then Fantasy with lasers. It is more then just a setting in the future.

StarWars IS fantasy with sci-fi decor. If we're talking fiction, what differs sci-fi is that, there is no magic or mystical force and everything extraordinary is explainable through forces of nature and rationality of science, it may be the made-up science of their fictional world but it's still different than plain magic. The good example to clarify the difference would be time travel of sci-fi using machinery and black holes versus time travel of fantasy using Harry Potter's magical stone. Every convention of StarWars universe is from fantasy tradition, magical knights, royal-blood making people special, there is even a scene where a big giant monster living in an asteroid (island) alone, swallowing a ship! A creature of that size, what does it normally feed with, how does it live in an echo-system that is just rocks and no atmosphere? Sci-fi can have plot holes but it wouldnt dodge such simple questions.

In a computer game, the question is less about the cosmology and structure but more about atmosphere and style, since the story is a filler anyway. You can, of course, have high-tech and medieval elements mixed up without getting anachronical by implementing a proper plot; advanced alien race visits medieval earth in fantasy setting. Yet, it will all boil down to does it really blend in well.

@JJ

I think you really like the idea of Forge and when people really like an idea, they usually have a tendency to think that the ones who don't are close-minded. (I mean, what else can be the reason not to like such a good idea, right!) I am not categorically opposed to the idea of mixing up high-tech with medieval elements whether it would be a fantasy or sci-fi setting. A new game with a tasteful universe, doing that can indeed be very fun, maybe mindblowing fun. The Heroes universe however worked perfectly for me without such a radical change and the traditional choices fits rather well to its simplicity. (Just like simple horror necropolis fits it much better than that spiderpolis crap.)

I dont take James Bond too seriously but I really like it, now, if they decide to give James Bond a female partner from CIA, it will cease to be the James Bond we know and like anymore, wont it? I have nothing against a series involving two spies, male/female going through missions but I dont want James Bond to turn into that. Same with Heroes, I want improvement, not transformation.
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Galaad
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posted February 28, 2015 12:29 PM

Ubisoft likes to toy with us.


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Pawek_13
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posted February 28, 2015 12:42 PM

Galaad said:
Ubisoft likes to toy with us.

Byt you are aware that it was an April Fools' joke?

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Galaad
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posted February 28, 2015 12:43 PM

Pawek_13 said:
Byt you are aware that it was an April Fools' joke?

Aside the fact it was written everywhere?
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Pawek_13
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posted February 28, 2015 12:46 PM
Edited by Pawek_13 at 13:07, 28 Feb 2015.

Galaad said:
Pawek_13 said:
Byt you are aware that it was an April Fools' joke?

Aside the fact it was written everywhere?

I am sorry. Sometimes I have problems with reading others' intentions.

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Galaad
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posted February 28, 2015 12:47 PM

Pawek_13 said:
I am sorry. Sometimes I have problemswith reading others' intentions.

It happens to me as well.
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GenyaArikado
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posted February 28, 2015 01:08 PM

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This is hardly the post-industrial, high-tech design of the Forge or something similar, is it. Does the beams come from crystals? It's like a medieval civilization of another planet who had somehow discovered space travel through magic. The visual design and atmosphere is the key here, not the literary, generic technicalities between sci-fi and fantasy. 



Do people even read anymore? Thats the point im trying to make. The aesthetics chosen for the draenei make them look fitting in WoW despite being basically science fiction (high tech starship aliens) while the forge looked snowing out of place

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artu
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posted February 28, 2015 01:26 PM
Edited by artu at 13:51, 28 Feb 2015.

It seems like you are the one with the reading problem, so drop the snowing attitude. Just because they are aliens, doesnt automatically make them sci-fi, if they use magic, they are still fantasy. And they are also closer to fantasy in terms of style, so not a proper example in any regard.
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Stevie
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posted February 28, 2015 01:28 PM

Tempest Keep can be accurately described as an enchanted fortress. It has the ability to Travel along the Twisting Nether - a realm of intense energy that links all the worlds of the Great Dark together. This is where the term "inter-dimensional" comes from. A "space ship" would simply traverse the distance of the great dark from point A to point B. Tempest keep uses the Twisting nether to travel almost instantaneously from place to place. In essence, it is a self-contained Dark Portal which operates on the same principle.

Metzen: The draenei nether-ship you've been hearing about is far more than it seems. It's part of a larger dimension-traveling fortress called Tempest Keep that essentially teleports through alternate realities. It doesn't bank and roll or shoot photon torpedoes (not yet, anyway).

Sci-fi ship, right.
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Galaad
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posted February 28, 2015 01:56 PM
Edited by Galaad at 21:03, 28 Feb 2015.

The problem with Forge inclusion in AB is that it was very suddenly introduced, therefore shocking a percentage of the fan base. I am not even sure whether is about having played For Blood and Honor or not, it seems some Heroes players unfortunately have a difficulty to cohere with the concept of science fantasy either as a whole, or only with its adaptation in a Heroes title.
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artu
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posted February 28, 2015 02:00 PM

You make it sound like to cohere with it eventually is the objectively better choice.
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