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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted February 26, 2015 07:02 PM |
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dark-whisperer said:
Guys, don't tell me that The Kreegan are perfectly normal and acceptable but lich turning into vampire is totally retarded...
The Kreegan are perfectly normal and acceptable but lich turning into vampire is totally retarded.
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted February 26, 2015 07:09 PM |
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verriker said:
whether or not you thought the lore of the Kreegans was compelling or absurd, what matters is that it didn't interfere with the Inferno's art direction in the Heroes games whatsoever, unlike Ashan's perverse Spideropolis and its baldy, floating neon venom lich lol
Oh, of course you have your idea how Lich should look like and everything outside your interpretation is wrong. You whine how UBI ripped units from WH and then ask for exactly the same thing. Mind-boggling.
Spiderpolis, hmmm it reminds me of something even worse... Infernopolis 
How come if something is introduced in entirely different game can "ease me" into accepting something so absurd.
I mean race of interstellar traveling, technologically advanced demons attack planet with medieval technology and then resort to melee and magic combat? I can see that plot taken from some pr0n movie, I swear...
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kiryu133 said:
The Kreegan are perfectly normal and acceptable but lich turning into vampire is totally retarded.
And there goes your credibility out of the window.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted February 26, 2015 07:14 PM |
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Edited by verriker at 19:19, 26 Feb 2015.
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Dave_Jame said:
OK verriker I'm going to go extra slow on you so you don't get comfused. And if you still don't get it, I'll have to draw you a picture book
lol, no,
what I actually said, if you care to go back and review, was that it's the same character and if Marzhin's comments are canon then the two universes are connected
then you said no, he's not important, he's just an homage and I made a cheeky remark at you for trying to close the discussion
now you are getting personal and talking about being proven wrong by some expert, I literally agreed before bringing it up that I personally don't believe the universes are connected
"comfused", indeed, lol
dark-whisperer said:
Oh, of course you have your idea how Lich should look like and everything outside your interpretation is wrong. You whine how UBI ripped units from WH and then ask for exactly the same thing. Mind-boggling.
why yes, of course, you're so right, that's certainly not a stupid strawman argument from you that shouldn't even be dignified with a response, lol
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Kayna
Supreme Hero
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posted February 26, 2015 07:15 PM |
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verriker said:
unlike Ashan's perverse Spideropolis and its baldy, floating neon venom lich lol
If it shoots, they're gonna love it.
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted February 26, 2015 07:17 PM |
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Is anyone there wishing for popcorn or any other salty snack?
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kiryu133
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Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted February 26, 2015 07:19 PM |
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wouldn't be hard to connect them though 
Asha and/or Urgash is/are alien/s that has taken control of some planet and use their/its powers to shield it from outside influence. see? logical explanation that will allow Ashan to exist in its own little pre-school world without completely disregarding the old lore.
or maybe Urgash was banished/imprisoned and Asha is his warden (not sister!) and the people of Ashan his guards! frankly this sounds way more interesting than "they're gods"
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted February 26, 2015 07:19 PM |
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Pawek_13 said:
Is anyone there wishing for popcorn or any other salty snack?
Me me me! 
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted February 26, 2015 07:20 PM |
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Pawek_13 said:
Is anyone there wishing for popcorn or any other salty snack?
i don't know about salty snacks... got any ice-cream though?
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted February 26, 2015 07:21 PM |
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Kayna said:
verriker said:
unlike Ashan's perverse Spideropolis and its baldy, floating neon venom lich lol
If it shoots, they're gonna love it.
Pretty much this
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted February 26, 2015 07:26 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
Pawek_13 said:
Is anyone there wishing for popcorn or any other salty snack?
i don't know about salty snacks... got any ice-cream though?
I can make some! 
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted February 26, 2015 07:28 PM |
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Some people just can't admit that NWC had their fair share of stupid ideas.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted February 26, 2015 07:29 PM |
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Edited by kiryu133 at 19:33, 26 Feb 2015.
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Pawek_13 said:
kiryu133 said:
i don't know about salty snacks... got any ice-cream though?
I can make some!
sweet...
(hehe, geddit? cause ice-cream is sweet? yeah, i'm clever  )
dark-whisperer said:
Some people just can't admit that NWC had their fair share of stupid ideas.
sure, NWC certainly had bad ideas (infernopolis, scraping forge). sci-fi elements were not one of them though. frankly, i'd prefer aliens over demons in a fantasy setting every time simply because it's just fresh and interesting. the way they went about the kreegans was simply ingenious BTW.
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted February 26, 2015 07:33 PM |
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verriker said:
why yes, of course, you're so right, that's certainly not a stupid strawman argument from you that shouldn't even be dignified with a response, lol
Funny thing, you did dignify it with a response ^^
P.S.: there's no need for popcorn for the moment. Stevie and WO haven't returned yet.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted February 26, 2015 07:35 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
Funny thing, you did dignify it with a response ^^
I know, I'm a weak, weak man lol
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Kayna
Supreme Hero
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posted February 26, 2015 07:37 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
sure, NWC certainly had bad ideas (infernopolis, scraping forge). sci-fi elements were not one of them though. frankly, i'd prefer aliens over demons in a fantasy setting every time simply because it's just fresh and interesting. the way they went about the kreegans was simply ingenious BTW.
That's a scary idea. More aliens means more ranged warfare.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted February 26, 2015 07:45 PM |
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Kayna said:
kiryu133 said:
sure, NWC certainly had bad ideas (infernopolis, scraping forge). sci-fi elements were not one of them though. frankly, i'd prefer aliens over demons in a fantasy setting every time simply because it's just fresh and interesting. the way they went about the kreegans was simply ingenious BTW.
That's a scary idea. More aliens means more ranged warfare.
i get that you're bummed out about every faction having an elite shooter (i can understand that though i don't agree) but that wouldn't be necessary with an alien faction. it all depends ho the alien faction is presented and built up. the kreegans were aliens and technologically superior, yes, but they didn't specialize in shooters anyway. they had one tier 2 shooter that kinda sucked. and used magic, not tech (though it's kind of implied that magic is tech but whatever). they were also some kind of hive-species if i'm not mistaken (haven't played the rpg's but i snap things up) indicating they might not have used tech for anything else than space-faring.
i don't know jack snow about kreegans though, but my point remains: a faction being technologically superior aliens means nothing for prefered strategy. 
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted February 26, 2015 07:45 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
P.S.: there's no need for popcorn for the moment. Stevie and WO haven't returned yet.
I don't know. WO seems to lose his interest in constant quarrels with others while Stevie is much more calmer now than he used to be month ago, so he won't argue, at least not that much.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 26, 2015 07:49 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 19:55, 26 Feb 2015.
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Sandro400 said:
P.S.: there's no need for popcorn for the moment. Stevie and WO haven't returned yet.
Yea, about that, let's just not go there again. Ever.
About the Kreegans, I didn't get the idea demons were such from playing Heroes 3. I genuinely believed I was playing with demons, devils, imps, etc., viewing them from a medieval Christian perspective. It never dawned on me they were aliens from outer space, as that didn't affect their models in that direction (unlike Ashan with its over the top religious symbolism).
And mixing a fantasy game that has mythos creatures and a medieval atmosphere with sci-fi elements was never my cup of tea. It completely breaks my immersion.
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted February 26, 2015 08:08 PM |
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dark-whisperer said:
Guys, don't tell me that The Kreegan are perfectly normal and acceptable but lich turning into vampire is totally retarded...
The greatest thing in H3 unit design can be seen in Kreegans, or Inferno faction. Lorewise, you know that they are high tech aliens with spaceships, but looking at the unit design of Inferno, you only see demons and devils. And that is the beauty of the design: it doesn't depend on the lore. In Heroes Chronicles: Conquest of the Underworld you fight Inferno faction that represents real demons not Kreegans. In H3, you could use the faction and fit it in almost any lore.
On the other hand, in latest Ashan's design you have the exact opposite. Lore influences factions too much. You can see that undeads are of Spider Cult, and that Castle units are Wolf (Griffin) Duchy. That is the main thing that I hate in Ashan.
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The_Green_Drag
Supreme Hero
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posted February 26, 2015 08:09 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
i get that you're bummed out about every faction having an elite shooter (i can understand that though i don't agree)
I've been trying to bring this up for some sort of discussion...with no success. Seems to be a topic everyone ignores or maybe it doesn't matter to anyone. But I'll try one more time...
@ kiryu133
Why don't you agree? You don't see line up diversity as an issue or do you see ranged units as more than just a point and shoot strategy?
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