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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted April 24, 2015 04:33 AM |
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yogi said:
Could you just add the gif in reversed at the end... so it would not be so choppy:? I think that would be enought to even put it in the game :-P
But yea
Hey Ubi, how come your core studio can make good looking fly-by TS from assets, and your 3rd party artists can't figure out how a basic city composition works!
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted April 24, 2015 09:00 AM |
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I'm gonna be frank; I'm not really feeling it.
Better than not-Minas-Tirith yes, but then there's the unnecessary fly-by camera, nuclear explosion and me looking at the town from a distance.
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Minastir
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted April 24, 2015 09:38 AM |
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Dave_Jame said:
Could you just add the gif in reversed at the end... so it would not be so choppy:? I think that would be enought to even put it in the game :-P
@Avirosb My name is not derived from the word Minas Tirith but the Tar-Minastir  (the eleventh King of Númenor)
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celiton
Hired Hero
Thinking before doing
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posted April 24, 2015 09:42 AM |
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Minastir said:
@Avirosb My name is not derived from the word Minas Tirith but the Tar-Minastir (the eleventh King of N�menor)
That's it. This is nice, this the townscreen worth Heroes 7.
Here have a cookie.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted April 24, 2015 09:57 AM |
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Minastir said:
@Avirosb My name is not derived from the word Minas Tirith but the Tar-Minastir (the eleventh King of Númenor)
I was actually refering to how the H7 Haven town is built into the mountainside but thanks for the trivia 
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted April 24, 2015 12:37 PM |
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so Ubi just got upstaged by a 1-sec loop from their own trailer? somehow i'm not surprised 
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted April 24, 2015 12:59 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
so Ubi just got upstaged by a 1-sec loop from their own trailer? somehow i'm not surprised
Yup, somehow quite symptomatic. 
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Steyn
Supreme Hero
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posted April 24, 2015 01:05 PM |
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To be honest I liked the static image more than this rocking one. But it is definitely much better than the actual town screen. That said, we should keep in mind that the town screen should show a large number of distinguishable buildings, which Minastir's version unfortunately does not. Still I would much prefer this style of town screen over the present style. Maybe something for the expansion or a DLC...
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted April 24, 2015 01:36 PM |
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alcibiades said:
Yup, somehow quite symptomatic.
it's almost like they're putting more effort into the trailers than the actual game!
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted April 24, 2015 01:47 PM |
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Trailers sell games 
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted April 24, 2015 01:58 PM |
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Alci really doesn't like the current Townscreens
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted April 24, 2015 02:52 PM |
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Steyn said:
To be honest I liked the static image more than this rocking one. But it is definitely much better than the actual town screen. That said, we should keep in mind that the town screen should show a large number of distinguishable buildings, which Minastir's version unfortunately does not. Still I would much prefer this style of town screen over the present style. Maybe something for the expansion or a DLC...
Imo. the developers of the current townscreen takes the concept of distinguishable buildings way to literally. It's almost like they count the number of buildings in town, and then they divide the town into that number of squares of equal size, and then they fit some random building into this area. I think this is the wrong approach. First off, from the way I play at least, most buildings are entered through the interface rather than clicking on the actual building. This doesn't mean that dwellings shouldn't be readily distinguishable, because they certainly should - and that is NOT the case in the current H7 townscreens (I will wager that zero people predicted the Behemoth dwelling to be the one it actually is before they explained the townscreen). But minor buildings like marketplace, tavern, thieves guild, resource silo, etc. can easily be grouped into one economic center instead that then grows when more buildings are added - similarly to how the town hall upgrades into city hall, etc.
So rather than thinking that each and every building in the city needs it's own space, I'd rather think in zones. We need 7 dwellings, obviously, some of them with growth boosters that will fit into the same zone. Then we need a fortification of sorts, which most certainly does NOT mean a wall in front of everything that looks ugly and hides everything, but rather means some sort of fortification/keep that sits behind/on top of town. Then we need one or two economic zones: One which holds town hall/city hall/capitol and possibly tavern/thieves guild, and one which holds market place/resource silo. Finally we need a mage guild and a siege workshop. We're talking about 12 zones or so, it's not that much. They managed to do it back in H3, and screen resolutions were much lower back then, so given the space modern monitors give you to work with, it shouldn't really be *that* hard.
Storm-Giant said:
Alci really doesn't like the current Townscreens
Indeed, I'm utterly unimpressed.
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celiton
Hired Hero
Thinking before doing
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posted April 24, 2015 02:59 PM |
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Exactly my thoughts and moreover, these townscreens are pure mess... but that was already mentioned thousands times before...
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cdiMaster
Hired Hero
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posted April 24, 2015 03:20 PM |
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alcibiades said:
Steyn said:
To be honest I liked the static image more than this rocking one. But it is definitely much better than the actual town screen. That said, we should keep in mind that the town screen should show a large number of distinguishable buildings, which Minastir's version unfortunately does not. Still I would much prefer this style of town screen over the present style. Maybe something for the expansion or a DLC...
Imo. the developers of the current townscreen takes the concept of distinguishable buildings way to literally. It's almost like they count the number of buildings in town, and then they divide the town into that number of squares of equal size, and then they fit some random building into this area. I think this is the wrong approach. First off, from the way I play at least, most buildings are entered through the interface rather than clicking on the actual building. This doesn't mean that dwellings shouldn't be readily distinguishable, because they certainly should - and that is NOT the case in the current H7 townscreens (I will wager that zero people predicted the Behemoth dwelling to be the one it actually is before they explained the townscreen). But minor buildings like marketplace, tavern, thieves guild, resource silo, etc. can easily be grouped into one economic center instead that then grows when more buildings are added - similarly to how the town hall upgrades into city hall, etc.
So rather than thinking that each and every building in the city needs it's own space, I'd rather think in zones. We need 7 dwellings, obviously, some of them with growth boosters that will fit into the same zone. Then we need a fortification of sorts, which most certainly does NOT mean a wall in front of everything that looks ugly and hides everything, but rather means some sort of fortification/keep that sits behind/on top of town. Then we need one or two economic zones: One which holds town hall/city hall/capitol and possibly tavern/thieves guild, and one which holds market place/resource silo. Finally we need a mage guild and a siege workshop. We're talking about 12 zones or so, it's not that much. They managed to do it back in H3, and screen resolutions were much lower back then, so given the space modern monitors give you to work with, it shouldn't really be *that* hard.
Storm-Giant said:
Alci really doesn't like the current Townscreens
Indeed, I'm utterly unimpressed.
I totally agree with you.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted April 24, 2015 03:34 PM |
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Edited by Maurice at 15:34, 24 Apr 2015.
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I feel the same way as Alci. A town screen should look as if it grew naturally, not like the ground was cut up in equal plots and then assigned to each building to stand on its own. They did that in H4, and it looked butt-ugly.
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PandaTar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Celestial Heavens Mascot
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posted April 24, 2015 07:04 PM |
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alcibiades said:
Steyn said:
To be honest I liked the static image more than this rocking one. But it is definitely much better than the actual town screen. That said, we should keep in mind that the town screen should show a large number of distinguishable buildings, which Minastir's version unfortunately does not. Still I would much prefer this style of town screen over the present style. Maybe something for the expansion or a DLC...
Imo. the developers of the current townscreen takes the concept of distinguishable buildings way to literally. It's almost like they count the number of buildings in town, and then they divide the town into that number of squares of equal size, and then they fit some random building into this area. I think this is the wrong approach. First off, from the way I play at least, most buildings are entered through the interface rather than clicking on the actual building. This doesn't mean that dwellings shouldn't be readily distinguishable, because they certainly should - and that is NOT the case in the current H7 townscreens (I will wager that zero people predicted the Behemoth dwelling to be the one it actually is before they explained the townscreen). But minor buildings like marketplace, tavern, thieves guild, resource silo, etc. can easily be grouped into one economic center instead that then grows when more buildings are added - similarly to how the town hall upgrades into city hall, etc.
So rather than thinking that each and every building in the city needs it's own space, I'd rather think in zones. We need 7 dwellings, obviously, some of them with growth boosters that will fit into the same zone. Then we need a fortification of sorts, which most certainly does NOT mean a wall in front of everything that looks ugly and hides everything, but rather means some sort of fortification/keep that sits behind/on top of town. Then we need one or two economic zones: One which holds town hall/city hall/capitol and possibly tavern/thieves guild, and one which holds market place/resource silo. Finally we need a mage guild and a siege workshop. We're talking about 12 zones or so, it's not that much. They managed to do it back in H3, and screen resolutions were much lower back then, so given the space modern monitors give you to work with, it shouldn't really be *that* hard.
Storm-Giant said:
Alci really doesn't like the current Townscreens
Indeed, I'm utterly unimpressed.
+1 I'm also utterly unimpressed and utterly disappointed. Well, it doesn't hurt daydreaming a bit a making those gifs showing how it could look like. I'm not sure if it feels better or worse knowing that they won't reach such level no matter how hard we express our views.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted April 24, 2015 07:18 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 19:21, 24 Apr 2015.
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted April 24, 2015 09:13 PM |
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Edited by Pawek_13 at 21:14, 24 Apr 2015.
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Stevie said:
This game... can be so much more... and it just pains me to see all this potential wasted...
Haven TS gets outclassed by a fly-by of the in-game 3d town...
Edit: ...
It so true. I really want this game to shine but something is blocking this brightness. have a feeling that the guy responsible for the townscreens should be changed while creating other ones. On the other hand, hovever, the 3D render looks gorgeous, so that's something.
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yogi
Promising
Famous Hero
of picnics
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posted April 24, 2015 09:20 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
Trailers sell games
@ubi: great games sell games better than trailers sell games.
should just do epic town screens and use them as trailers..
stop spending so much of your budget on pr and marketing, and just make good games!
how much does this stupid shadow council snow cost? wtf who is directing this ship? its headed right for the rocks!
hell, just imitate triumph, they get it.
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"Lol we are HC'ers.. The same tribe.. Guy!" ~Ghost
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PandaTar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Celestial Heavens Mascot
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posted April 24, 2015 09:22 PM |
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TS should give this feeling:
I won't label which faction, but mainly to describe the feeling I enjoy having when visiting my town.
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