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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted August 10, 2015 05:31 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 00:33, 14 Aug 2015.
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Dungeon discussion
Please use this thread for focused discussion on MMH7 Dungeon.
ABOUT DUNGEON*
The Dark Elves are underground-dwelling renegades from the Elf forests who have made a pact with the mysterious Faceless. Deadly schemers in the darkness, their whole nation is imprinted by Malassa’s mark. Forced to hear the constant whispers of the world, the Dark Elves know that the border between sanity and madness is very thin… thin like a dagger’s blade.
When the High King Arniel decided to usurp the powers of the local Elf kings and make his own title hereditary, Queen Tuidhana refused to bow to his outrageous demands. She declared her kingdom of Tarlad, located at the north-western border of the Holy Empire, independent from the High King.
The greedy knights of the Holy Emperor Liam Falcon seized the occasion to invade Tuidhana’s lands. Battered by the imperial armies, Tuidhana appealed to Irollan for help, but Arniel chose to let her land suffer and her people die. Desperate to protect her people, Tuidhana turned to the few surviving Faceless. They were willing to help her for a price. In exchange for their help her people were to convert to Malassa, the Dragon Goddess of Darkness. Tuidhana accepted their offer, and the Dark Elves were born.
With the newfound powers granted by her Faceless allies, Tuidhana reaffirmed her independence. Her kingdom’s freedom was recognized – at swordpoint – by Elves and Humans. An uneasy peace settled between the Elves and the Dark Elves. Twenty years passed in a rough truce, until a terrible accident sent things from bad to worse... A criminal fire was set to Brythigga, the Mother of Trees, leaving a blackened scar on the earth where nothing would ever grow again. The Dark Elves were blamed for the heinous crime.
The Dark Elves were forced to leave and the Faceless led them underground, on the Dwarf border. Local skirmishes against the Dwarves escalated into an open conflict, the so-called War under the Mountains, which left the Dark Elves on the fringe of extinction. Facing the end of their race, the three main Dark Elf clans decided to put their differences aside and rally behind a common Lord of the Clans, founding the subterranean kingdom of Ygg-Chall. But it is not But it is not known how long this unity will last...
LINEUP
CORE
Assassin
A young Dark Elf needs to know several arts to survive in Ygg-Chall: magic, alchemy, swordplay... and of course, assassination.
Backstab
Using uncanny agility, Assassins deal tremendous damage when hitting from behind, increasing the normal full flanking bonus.
Shade
Alchemy is the Dark Elves’ favourite hobby. Especially when it involves creating new sorts of poisons...
Backstab
Using uncanny agility, Assassins deal tremendous damage when hitting from behind, increasing the normal full flanking bonus.
No retaliation
The Shade's blade is poisoned and will deal damage long after the first cut.
Stalker
Dark Elves fight dirty. Stalkers are a good reminder of that fact.
Tracker
Trackers carry special crossbows, cut from the roots of a Treant, their trigger and mechanism forged from Shadowsteel. They shoot further, send quarrels truer, and inflict more grievous wounds than any regular bow or crossbow.
Armour Piercing
The crossbow bolts of the Trackers are so powerful that they ignore their target's defense.
Troglodyte
The Dark Elves were quick to realize the usefulness of these creatures to expand their subterranean empire, and have been using magic to force Troglodytes to do their bidding.
Blind
The creature is naturally blind and therefore immune to blindness and magical effects relying on sight.
Immune to Earth
Damage and negative effects of Earth spells have no effect on this creature.
Chthonian
A legend claims Troglodytes keep on solidifying, eventually becoming pillars of living rock, fortifying the tunnels and burrows dug by their brethren.
Blind
The creature is naturally blind and therefore immune to blindness and magical effects relying on sight.
Immune to Earth
Damage and negative effects of Earth spells have no effect on this creature.
ELITE
Medusa
The Wrecker and Malassa are not mutually exclusive. After all, what lies in the heart of the ocean if not Darkness?
Mesmerize
The Medusa's gaze is a terrifying view, and in battle, might paralyze its unfortunate target.
Medusa Sorceress
Medusa Sorceresses proved their worth against the Dwarves during the last years of the War under the Mountain.
Mesmerize
The Medusa's gaze is a terrifying view, and in battle, might paralyze its unfortunate target.
Mobile Shooter
The serpentine body of the Medusa Sorceress allows her to focus on both movement and shooting without any problem, so they can either move and shoot or shoot, then move.
Strider
Some say Striders are actually grown from the very blood of the Faceless. As if they weren’t creepy enough.
Construct
Like all Constructs, Striders are animated by magic, and therefore not alive. They are immune to poison, blindness, mind effects and morale effects. They cannot be healed or resurrected.
Immune to Darkness
Damage and negative effects of Dark spells have no effect on this creature.
Soulless
Most the time, Souless fight the Angels of Elrath, which is why the Soulless are especially efficient against the powers of the Light.
Construct
Like all Constructs, Striders are animated by magic, and therefore not alive. They are immune to poison, blindness, mind effects and morale effects. They cannot be healed or resurrected.
Immune to Darkness
Damage and negative effects of Dark spells have no effect on this creature.
Heart of Darkness
The powerful Dark Magic at the heart of the Soulless makes nearby allies resistant to Light and nearby enemies vulnerable to Darkness.
Minotaur
Most Dark Elves appreciate the Minotaurs’ strength and reliability and consider them valuable allies. But a few clans, notably the Soulscars, tend to see them as little more than slaves.
Preemptive Strike
Although their axes are incredibly large, Minotaurs can wield them without effort. Their striking speed is such that they can retaliate before being hit.
Minotaur Guard
Minotaurs often fight battles in gladiatorial arenas to prove their strength and impress future employers.
Preemptive Strike
Although their axes are incredibly large, Minotaurs can wield them without effort. Their striking speed is such that they can retaliate before being hit.
No retaliation
The power of the Minotaur Guard's attack is so huge that the shock it triggers makes it impossible to retaliate it.
CHAMPION
Cave Hydra
The Hydras’ bite is nasty and, depending on the Dragon whose spilled blood was involved in the Hydra’s creation, it will have varying effects on the unfortunate victim.
Six headed
The Hydra can use all its heads to attack adjacent enemies, at once.
Dark Hydra
Dark Hydras are among the most terrifying creatures one can encounter in the Abyss. There’s a malevolence and relentlessness about them than make my skin crawl.
Six headed
The Hydra can use all its heads to attack adjacent enemies, at once.
Life Drain
Dark Hydras can literality drink the blood of their enemies, using it to regenerate themselves with unmatched efficiency.
Shadow Dragon
Worshipped by Dark Elf society, Shadow Dragons tolerate their worshippers and occasionally ally with them. But there’s always a price to their help...
Withering Breath
This huge flow of Dark Magic hurts and decays multiple targets, and prolongs its effect after the initial attack.
Immune to Darkness
Know to be extremely resilient to magic, the Shadow Dragon is perfectly immune to its own element: Dark Magic.
Black Dragon
So, who would win in a fight? A Black Dragon, or a Titan?
Withering Breath
This huge flow of Dark Magic hurts and decays multiple targets, and prolongs its effect after the initial attack.
Immune to Darkness
Know to be extremely resilient to magic, the Shadow Dragon is perfectly immune to its own element: Dark Magic.
Magic Immunity
The Black Dragon is one of the rare creatures of Ashan to be completely immune to magic.
*To discuss Dungeon lore, please use the lore thread, please use this one for discussing and sharing your inputs regarding artistic designs and creatures abilities.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted August 10, 2015 05:49 PM |
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Edited by kiryu133 at 18:55, 10 Aug 2015.
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Too many elves. Reduce the amount by two and mentions by 6 and I'd be able to stomach it.
Aside from that, not terrible. Strider could be anything else, Dark Hydra is a tad silly in its carapace, Dragons look damn idiotic and Medusa aren't (somehow) decorated enough nor big enough.
Good parts: Medusa aren't bad-looking, just bland. Minos are awesome. Hydras are quite alright and so are the Torgs and Trackers. Strider is rather cool-looking but as said could easily be replaced with god-damn anything short of Faceless (snow them too).
Assassin can snow right off together with that "Black" Dragon.
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted August 10, 2015 06:51 PM |
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Medusa should be ugly, carry a bow, and turn things to stone. Not just slap a snake tail on a dark elf and call it medusa. Tattoos on her face doesn't make her ugly, just looks silly.
Strider is tied with the spring spirit for the worst Homm unit in history.
Mino is nice but it goes down in history as just another h6 copy and paste so it's hard to look at him like a positive.
Wish trogs had a spear
Never liked assassins. Stalkers are just crossbowmen.
Hydra is actually the only good thing about this faction for me
The crap dragon speaks for itself
Overall this pathetic, recycled, hardly anything new, dungeon gets a score of 3/10
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted August 10, 2015 08:24 PM |
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I'm waiting for the final models before I finalize my opinions. We've had multiple instances of concept art not matching up with the final model - red Abbot turned white, creepy Blade Dancer smile non-existent, Emerald Dragon disappointment... better to wait until the complete Dungeon page is made on the blog.
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Rakshasa92
Supreme Hero
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posted August 10, 2015 08:40 PM |
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OK.
SM Elf 1 = Bad
SM Elf 2 = Nothing new, one Drow would be enough, doesn't matter which one, as they are both boring, should be a ranged unit, like the Evil Eye, lol.
Troglodyte = Cool, like the design, at least something new in this otherwise copy-paste town.
Minotaur = Copy Paste, but at least it lost the horrible purple color.
Medusa = Bleh, after Ashan destroyed the Medusa with the pearl Priestess I have lost respect, and the model is boring. Though she is much better than SM Elf 3.
Zelda Golem = Boring, a humanoid too much, there should be at least 4 non-humanoids in a faction, these are all humanoid so far. And its too SF for my taste.
Hydra = Cool, this is a beauty among ugliness.
Boring Dragon = Boring like always, do something new for a change, these models are horrible as well, look like copy-paste from previous HOMM6, which I never played BTW.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted August 10, 2015 08:42 PM |
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When should we be getting the models?
I hate how the guy who made the art drew the wings. He totally missed the bat-like bones and did draw swallowtail butterfly wings
The_green_drag said:
Medusa should be ugly, carry a bow, and turn things to stone. Not just slap a snake tail on a dark elf and call it medusa. Tattoos on her face doesn't make her ugly, just looks silly.
ermm, Medusa was only ugly (and almost fully mythologically accurate) in H4 and H3 intro movie.
She's gonna look like the recoloured version of this
decide whether thats good looking or not, but keep in mind that the H3 Medusa looked like this before going "SHE ISNT UGLY ASHAN SUCKS"
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted August 10, 2015 08:51 PM |
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GenyaArikado said:
When should we be getting the models?
I'm hoping they'll put up the Dungeon page later this week.
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted August 10, 2015 09:00 PM |
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The face of h3 medusa looks plenty ugly to me. Her head shape is even ugly in its castle picture. I'd bring up a pic I wasn't on my phone. But even h2 pixieled face made an ugly medusa.
None of them were on h4s level of accuracy and that's why it has the best medusa imo, even without the snake half.
and she doesn't turn things to stone but just stuns them with her beauty from afar? Ugh okay...next we should give the cyclops a second eye and remove a head off of Cerberus..hey wait a sec....
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted August 10, 2015 09:19 PM |
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mediocre dungeon, so many of the same reused models from Heroes 6 (although many of those models were not bad admittedly), I maintain until I die that the stupid token dark elves really have no place in this faction, rough looking troglodytes, strider is conceptually ridiculous and a waste of a slot, literally nothing new of any merit, only creature I really like based on the art is the unupgraded hydra lol
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted August 10, 2015 09:30 PM |
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The_green_drag said:
Medusa should be ugly
Looks ugly to me.
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Neovius
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 10, 2015 10:48 PM |
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Am I the only one who actually likes the dragon?
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted August 10, 2015 11:32 PM |
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foxxxer
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted August 11, 2015 12:32 AM |
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Assassin / Shade – Disappointment.
Stalker / Tracker – I hope that LW will mod out the overdecoration of the upgraded unit 
Troglodyte / Chthonian – As other creatures, the basic unit looks better. Still I’m glad that the Trogs are back.
Medusa / Medusa Sorceress – The artworks look fine. Lets hope the models will be fine too
Strider / Soulless – Those guys remind me to this  . But maybe the whole point is this as they are constructs
Minotaur / Minotaur Guard – Minos are great but they look great in H6 too
Cave Hydra / Dark Hydra – I’ve been waiting for such art style of the hydra since H2 so this is the best creature in Dungeon imo
Shadow Dragon / Black Dragon – utter disappointment… Same like H6 Lich and Vampire, Blackie artwork and model was criticized but Ubi doesn’t listen to. What has such majestic creature become? And if the devs keep the stats from the first beta it’ll become less than mediocre champion.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted August 11, 2015 08:57 AM |
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Edited by Elvin at 09:05, 11 Aug 2015.
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Meh, we'd have been fine with just one dark elf. Stalker and shade are better off merged, more room for cool mythological units.
Assassin is a poor copy of his H6 counterpart. And those blades look as if they are designed to saw trees..
Trackers look great but dual-wielding crossbows is just silly.
Basic troglodyte looks better than the upgrade, a pity I don't remember seeing that in another game.
Soulless are a waste of hype. They could have been interesting but they are just a meatshield with a boring passive special. If their attack cursed enemies at least..
Mino, medusa and hydra are good as expected.
Blackies have weird butterfly wings and shine all over the place. If they were light purple and had a sillier head they could have passed as faerie dragons. That is not an amusing thought.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted August 11, 2015 12:42 PM |
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I think it's safe to say the reason Dungeon went up against Inferno was because they needed another faction they could copy units over rather than create new ones as they would with fakehold/Rampart. Both were in H6 and filled with units easy to simply copy (which the inferno neutrals support)
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keldaur
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 11, 2015 12:53 PM |
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Neovius said:
Am I the only one who actually likes the dragon?
No you are not.
I like the line up. I want to see the animations tho.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted August 11, 2015 01:03 PM |
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Didn't follow closely the details so I apologize for my impertinence, but I like the creatures. Except strider which is a strange concept and dragon. The problem with dragon is double-edged: you keep complain about them cloning from previous games and now you are punished because they try to create a new dragon. Or a dragon is a dragon: black, huge and scary.
Should use same model through all games IMO, a dragon doesn't fit into a fashion. Now it looks gay.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted August 11, 2015 01:06 PM |
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Scary snow yo.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted August 11, 2015 01:15 PM |
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The_Green_Drag
Supreme Hero
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posted August 11, 2015 03:37 PM |
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Elvin said:
Meh, we'd have been fine with just one dark elf. Stalker and shade are better off merged, more room for cool mythological units.
I agree with most of you're points but especially the above one. Only I would say the same about Dryads and Pixies, to make room for other myth units.
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