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Thread: E.P.I.C. Visions of HoM&M Thread! This thread is 7 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 · «PREV
FirePaladin
FirePaladin


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posted February 03, 2021 02:38 AM
Edited by FirePaladin at 02:38, 03 Feb 2021.

Modify/replace the graphic engine. It's not like they couldn't.
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MattII
MattII


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posted February 03, 2021 05:15 AM

Then it won't be Heroes III. That's the thing with Heroes III (and I and II), it's not made to be viewed from more than one direction, the assets are the wrong shape (the cites are 3 spaces 'tall', but 5 'wide'). It would probably be easier to modify Heroes 5.

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blob2
blob2


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Blob-Ohmos the Second
posted February 03, 2021 11:24 AM
Edited by blob2 at 11:25, 03 Feb 2021.

I'm not a specialist, but I think you can do many things when you have access to the code. But first you need to have access to it.

Some well known projects, for example Diablo 2 I think (people want a remaster of it) have met a big wall cus their creators seemingly "lost the source code". They would probably need to build it from the ground-up which basically isn't remastering, but making a game almost from scratch. I don't know the details, maybe it's just a way to evade the subject at hand, but I have some connection to IT and I know these things tend to happen. You cannot "extract" everything from a game's commercial version code, you sometimes need the "development" build of a game.

But the baseline is: they can.

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MattII
MattII


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posted February 03, 2021 12:06 PM

They can, but to make Heroes 3 in 3D it's probably be easier to work backwards from H5 than forwards from H3. At least you'd be working with a compatible engine.

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FirePaladin
FirePaladin


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posted February 03, 2021 01:07 PM

There was a guy who made 3D panoramas of H3 scenes. They looked gorgeous. One only needs a very good design and team to remake H3 in 3D well, but we all know it won't ever happen anyway. And a game can be designed with a fixed camera in mind too.
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Galaad
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posted February 03, 2021 07:27 PM

H3 is 2D but has 3D modelling. I really meant doing it all from scratch, preferably with a new engine. I prefer 2D for Heroes, but if Ubi is so confident 3D sells more, my point is at least they could make the gameplay and art right.
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MattII
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posted February 03, 2021 09:08 PM

FirePaladin said:
There was a guy who made 3D panoramas of H3 scenes. They looked gorgeous.
Do you know his name?

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FirePaladin
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posted February 03, 2021 09:57 PM

I'm sorry, I meant dioramas. This is where he posts his stuff.
https://www.instagram.com/witolszewski/
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MattII
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posted February 03, 2021 11:49 PM

Nice stuff, but I'm not sure you could apply it to a whole map.

And honestly, I wouldn't bother with 3D, 2.5D isometric is good enough to my mind, and requires far less graphical processing.

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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted February 04, 2021 12:52 PM

When you think this is more than 20 years old... With gorgeous 3D flythrough of original Rampart town... When I think of what could have been done in our time and age I just arg.
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posted February 04, 2021 01:42 PM

Galaad said:
With gorgeous 3D flythrough of original Rampart town...


Amazing!!
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MattII
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posted February 04, 2021 07:34 PM

Galaad said:
When you think this is more than 20 years old... With gorgeous 3D flythrough of original Rampart town... When I think of what could have been done in our time and age I just arg.
Would love so see that in a higher resolution.

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AnkVaati
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Nighonese National Front
posted February 23, 2021 11:34 PM

- Continue the story from Axeoth with all of its amazing characters. Bring back the old universe with its Science Fantasy foundations.
- No more race-based factions. Take the ones from Heroes 4 and add Fortress (they may have ended up on some distant Island archipelago, it's not like that world was ever over-explored ). I'd rather have (a more inspired version of) Conflux back, Inferno/Necro split and Forge town as well. Some original additions would be welcome as long as they stay true to the theme-based formula (i. e. not "the dwarf faction" - have it be the "snowy faction" or something instead).
- No streamlining or unimaginative plagiarizing of stuff from Warhammer, Warcraft, DnD or whatever. Stay true to the original inspiration from (predominantly) Graeco-Roman mythology and the adult, more mature high fantasy atmosphere without gritty splash/sex stuff or overt racialist/religious overtones. Have the rosters be predominantly (genderfluid) mythological creatures in the vein of pre-Ubi Heroes.
- Create a game that's highly customizable and un-streamlined so folks can enjoy a mix of RPG and Civ, like in Heroes 4 (but with more options), with different scenarios having different focuses.
- Keep Erwin out of it.
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AnkVaati
AnkVaati


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Nighonese National Front
posted February 23, 2021 11:41 PM

Galaad said:
When you think this is more than 20 years old... With gorgeous 3D flythrough of original Rampart town... When I think of what could have been done in our time and age I just arg.
Woah! Thanks for sharing!

A WoW-style game were folks could RP in the Heroes 3 towns would me amazing.
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MattII
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posted February 24, 2021 11:35 PM
Edited by MattII at 00:07, 25 Feb 2021.

AnkVaati said:
- Continue the story from Axeoth with all of its amazing characters. Bring back the old universe with its Science Fantasy foundations.
Axeoth was interesting, but kind of put paid to Enroth. I'd prefer something that, even if it took place on another world, didn't destroy the old one.

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- No more race-based factions. Take the ones from Heroes 4 and add Fortress (they may have ended up on some distant Island archipelago, it's not like that world was ever over-explored ). I'd rather have (a more inspired version of) Conflux back, Inferno/Necro split and Forge town as well. Some original additions would be welcome as long as they stay true to the theme-based formula (i. e. not "the dwarf faction" - have it be the "snowy faction" or something instead).
'No race-based factions' is a great idea, let's finally do away with the dull, old-fashioned pseudo-medieval Knight/Castle/Haven/etc. town, and replace it with something actually interesting. On the Conflux, it could be better, as long as the Elementals aren't in the main lineup.

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- No streamlining or unimaginative plagiarizing of stuff from Warhammer, Warcraft, DnD or whatever. Stay true to the original inspiration from (predominantly) Graeco-Roman mythology and the adult, more mature high fantasy atmosphere without gritty splash/sex stuff or overt racialist/religious overtones. Have the rosters be predominantly (genderfluid) mythological creatures in the vein of pre-Ubi Heroes.
I'm not overly bothered about pulling stuff from DnD, as it's a fairly sandbox source. the Beholder from H3/H4(/H6/H7 as the Shadow Lurker) is a pretty good cthulic monster for the dungeon. In addition, sticking with Greco-roman myth is, to my mind, horribly culturally bigoted, a lot of other, non-western mythologies have perfectly worthy monsters.

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FirePaladin
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posted February 25, 2021 12:43 AM
Edited by FirePaladin at 00:43, 25 Feb 2021.

@AnkVaati

Quote:
- Continue the story from Axeoth with all of its amazing characters. Bring back the old universe with its Science Fantasy foundations.



Quote:
- No more race-based factions. Take the ones from Heroes 4 and add Fortress (they may have ended up on some distant Island archipelago, it's not like that world was ever over-explored ). I'd rather have (a more inspired version of) Conflux back, Inferno/Necro split and Forge town as well. Some original additions would be welcome as long as they stay true to the theme-based formula (i. e. not "the dwarf faction" - have it be the "snowy faction" or something instead).

This was never a thing, perhaps with Castle's exception (excluding HoMM5).
Also: Obligatory pro-Forge comment.

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- No streamlining or unimaginative plagiarizing of stuff from Warhammer, Warcraft, DnD or whatever. Stay true to the original inspiration from (predominantly) Graeco-Roman mythology and the adult, more mature high fantasy atmosphere without gritty splash/sex stuff or overt racialist/religious overtones. Have the rosters be predominantly (genderfluid) mythological creatures in the vein of pre-Ubi Heroes.

Wdym, HoMM3 is built upon D&D in terms of creatures kek, some of them even have pretty much the same name, appearance and/or abilities.

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- Create a game that's highly customizable and un-streamlined so folks can enjoy a mix of RPG and Civ, like in Heroes 4 (but with more options), with different scenarios having different focuses.

Pretty sure that was the intended direction of NWC to a certain extent (I mean, they couldn't easily code scripting blabla for H3, since it was mainly not needed at the time)

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- Keep Erwin out of it.

That's a given, he was fired after all. He sadly flooded the basement of Ubi's HQs in France, Paris, with just a few millions of spiders of all kinds after adding them to Spiderpolis in MMH7 (not to be confused with HoMM7 which does not exist, as HoMM5 was the last game from the series followed by 2 spin-offs).
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MattII
MattII


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posted February 25, 2021 03:14 AM

When was Erwan fired?

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zydar
zydar


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posted February 25, 2021 03:01 PM

Bring back some old NWC staff to write, design or making art for next HOMM game

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FirePaladin
FirePaladin


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posted February 25, 2021 04:51 PM

MattII said:
When was Erwan fired?

Oh you're right, he probably wasn't, I might have mixed smt up, sorry. Although the guy seemed kinda depressed after H7 and I doubt Ubi would put him in charge of yet another HoMM (MMH?) game.

zydar said:
Bring back some old NWC staff to write, design or making art for next HOMM game

Fanstratics in a nutshell lol.
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posted February 27, 2021 06:20 PM

FirePaladin said:
MattII said:
When was Erwan fired?

Oh you're right, he probably wasn't, I might have mixed smt up, sorry. Although the guy seemed kinda depressed after H7 and I doubt Ubi would put him in charge of yet another HoMM (MMH?) game.

they do have those supremely retarded might and magic mobile games, so prolly Erwan is making freemium crap these days, as Might and Magic has been slain like Command And Conquer was.
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