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artu
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posted December 01, 2021 07:45 PM |
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fred79 said:
you don't find it odd that you defend every msm or government talking point?
you trust your own country's media and government too, then?
Once again, it is a matter of proportion. There is a proportion to both trusting and not trusting the media or governments. To continue the analogy, all msm and governmental institutions of the world also think the flat-earthers are ridiculous, does that mean they arent?There is no difference between blindly trusting the media or blindly rejecting anything only because almost all msm agree on it.
Even the 20 year comparative death ratio of France that Galaad linked here, is enough to understand that covid is no joke.
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fred79
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posted December 01, 2021 09:16 PM |
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the media can't be trusted with literally anything. anything, dude. i watch them spin even the most innocent, non-globalist-advancement type stories into propaganda that supports their main narratives. it's obscene. it always fits a pattern. even when they cover snow they don't want to cover, but have to because people are discussing it on social media... like the ghislaine maxwell trial, for instance. they act like epstein was the ONLY purveyor of sexual exploitation for the girls she rounded up. like he was literally the ONLY one actually exploiting the girls she rounded up for him. literally NOTHING they say isn't used in some way for their wider globalist-driven narratives. if they HAVE to talk about something that discredits them, they're going to MANIPULATE the story to benefit them. by addressing what people are talking about on social media, in the msm, they are effectively DIRECTING the narrative back to where they want it.
the government as well. sure, you can trust them to defend your countrymen from an actual attack from another country(some more or less than others), USING THEIR COUNTRY'S OWN POPULACE TO DO THIS, but to trust them, as people, to actually do the right thing by the populace themselves?
you cannot argue against this simple fact: those in power manipulate others to STAY in power, and use their power to GAIN more power. everyone BENEATH them are CANNON FODDER. AND, people in power use OTHERS in power to network and expand their own power; effectively holding a MONOPOLY on power over others*.
and you act like i believe in flat-earth for pointing this out.
whenever i talk about globalists, that is exactly the kind of behavior i'm discussing. it doesn't matter WHO it comes from in the end; what matters, is that the ACTION is APPARENT. it can be OBSERVED and DOCUMENTED in REAL TIME. in the REAL WORLD.
if you still think these shots and restrictive measures are about CARING FOR YOU, you need to grow up and stop thinking like some naive CHILD. those in power AREN'T benevolent. they didn't GAIN and RETAIN their power by being BENEVOLENT. you'd KNOW that elementary snow, if you ever paid any attention to hierarchy in every aspect of society, itself.
why do i have to point this simple snow out? i'm discussing the abc's that you people constantly argue, when we should be all on the same page with that, and be discussing the xyz's.
*you want to know about the top of the power pyramid? look at global banking, and look at the world economic forum(the davos agenda); and go from there. these people literally gather to INFLUENCE countries.
then, if you want to get another puzzle piece, look at the people in the U.S. government who have DUAL CITIZENSHIP. ask yourself, why the most powerful nation in the world has people in it's government with DUAL CITIZENSHIP. ask yourself why this is even ALLOWED in the first place. now, do some digging and find out WHICH OTHER COUNTRY THEY HAVE DUAL CITIZENSHIP WITH. you'll notice a pattern. from there, expand your knowledge by looking into what ELSE that country and it's people influences.
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Kayna
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posted December 01, 2021 10:41 PM |
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Edited by Kayna at 22:46, 01 Dec 2021.
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Titan, Fred, I got bad news for you.
The sheep doesn't want to be awaken. Fighting is hard. Fighting is dangerous. We are all programmed to survive. Laying low is what most of us do in life. It is normal, for the weak, to find other ways to survive aside from fighting. A lot of sheep actually understand people like you but doesn't want to hear it as it's better for them to feign ignorance.
Likewise, you should consider the possibility that maybe you are programmed the same. Maybe you keep yelling about a revolution because you would like someone else to do it for you. Maybe the back of your head understands that doing it by yourself would lead to nothing but your death.
You're just shouting in the wind, and if one day you actually become a real threat to the establishment, you'll end up dead in a ditch somewhere, or at the very least, in a psychiatric hospital with your credibility destroyed for the rest of your life. If you're lucky enough to be in a more Western country, that is.
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fred79
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posted December 02, 2021 12:14 AM |
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Likewise, you should consider the possibility that maybe you are programmed the same. Maybe you keep yelling about a revolution because you would like someone else to do it for you. Maybe the back of your head understands that doing it by yourself would lead to nothing but your death.
you're barking up the wrong tree with this one.
do you actually believe no honorable people exist, who, when given power, won't abuse it? i understand power tends to corrupt(just look at the mods here, if you want an immediate example), but that can't, and won't, apply to everyone.
the system set in place currently, is set in place by the corrupt. the only people who move up, are the people who prove to the corrupt, that they themselves are corrupt. there will be honorable people who slip through the cracks for whatever reason, such as the judge and the defending lawyers in the rittenhouse case; but primarily, those in power are typically pieces of snow, either owned by, or part of, the corrupted cabal.
if you want evidence of what happens to the good guys once they expose themselves as decent people, just look at all the doctors and nurses fired for speaking out against the globalist covid bs. they're losing their jobs and livelihoods over speaking out.
even if i were in a position of power, i would not sacrifice my decency and honor, for a leg up in the world.
take the shot mandate; i will never give up my rights to my own body. i don't care WHAT it costs me. no snowing job is worth my intact immune system. even if an actual PLAGUE came along, i wouldn't trust the snowing government to take care of me. i'm saying this as a former government employee.
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Galaad
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posted December 02, 2021 12:40 AM |
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fred79 said:
i understand power tends to corrupt(just look at the mods here, if you want an immediate example)
Yes fred, we are corrupt and out there to get you. Just keep it civil and everything will be fine.
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fred79
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posted December 02, 2021 01:18 AM |
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Edited by fred79 at 22:04, 24 Mar 2022.
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Galaad said:
fred79 said:
i understand power tends to corrupt(just look at the mods here, if you want an immediate example)
Yes fred, we are corrupt and out there to get you. Just keep it civil and everything will be fine.
if you want my respect, you'll have to earn it, the same as anyone else. and you can start down that path, by warning literally ANYONE else. or, even better, if you want to APPEAR unbiased; any one of the leftists who always get personal when they don't want to address the facts being pointed out. you know, the people who are the LEAST penalized/silenced/warned by the mods here? the ones who, no matter what they do, they almost always tend to get a slap on the wrist, if anything at all?
until you do, i won't see you for anything other than what you are, currently. i remember, when you just became a mod, and i congratulated you on that, because you had been such a decent member; i thought you would be a decent mod, as well.
have you forgotten, that to keep the peace as a moderator, you have to address BOTH sides of any conflict? or at least, APPEAR to? because you're doing neither, by CONSTANTLY addressing only myself, or others opposite the leftists.
by ONLY moderating one group in the forum, you AREN'T moderating righteously, galaad. you USED to be better than this. now, you've just fallen in line with the establishment pack, here. by only addressing ONE group, you are effectively making any forum conflict worse.
that's not "moderating". that's "inflaming". you are widening the divide, instead of closing it.
remember, i'm trying to bring people together, here, for the good of the common man. that is my primary goal. it's not happening, because i'm running into people who want to deny reality and ridicule me for attempting to help them, and you mods are HELPING them deny it, and letting them ridicule myself and others, while they, and YOU, attack dissent to their programming. which is why i, kip, gandalf, and now titan are targeted, with our threads and posts being penalized and removed; while the establishment bs not only STAYS up, but PROPOGATES. and what happens to nearly all of the offending posts from the other side? ignored. and then, another thread locked.
you want to deny that? take a look at how many times artu, jj, or blizzardboy has been penalized, vs their qp's. now compare that, to mine, kip's, elodin's, gandalf's, and now titanfall's stats.
how about the time when, immediately after i was silenced for three days, jj made a provoking thread regarding me in the tribunal that i couldn't respond to, that the mods only removed, without penalizing him. you know how many times a provoking post/thread was made, regarding myself or others in my camp, that we couldn't RESPOND to because the thread was locked, or we were silenced at the time?
when you have ONE group of people getting away with doing the same thing ANOTHER group of people are getting penalized for, you AREN'T an unbiased forum with unbiased moderators.
when was the last time somebody who was right-wing was a moderator at hc, again? the left even had a self-hating white who was aggressively against heterosexuals, as a moderator. what has the right ever had?
exactly. and if you bring this up to the site's owner, he doesn't give a snow. so it falls on you moderators, to do the right thing, and moderate fairly.
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Kayna
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posted December 02, 2021 02:08 AM |
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Edited by Kayna at 02:10, 02 Dec 2021.
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fred79 said:
if you want my respect, you'll have to earn it
Respect is something I find rather overrated, now. Some people only respect strong people, some people only respect beautiful people, some people only respect useful people, some people only respect people that worships their god, some people only respects others that follows their same beliefs, etc. Aside from respecting people's basic rights, I find most forms of respects superfluous.
Respect is more often than not demanded by older people, as a way to survive. To impress the younger folk because otherwise, they mind find out they're physically stronger and healthier and could toss us in a trash can if they actually wanted to. Respect, and demanding respect, really is just smoke and mirrors.
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NimoStar
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Modding the Unmoddable
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posted December 02, 2021 02:23 AM |
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I wish Kayna was an actual girl (nearly impossible) because if she was, she would seem submissive and breedable with all these "the weak shall serve the strong" drivel 
(it's a meme, relax https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/submissive-and-breedable)
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fred79
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posted December 02, 2021 02:52 AM |
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Kayna said:
Respect is more often than not demanded by older people, as a way to survive. To impress the younger folk because otherwise, they mind find out they're physically stronger and healthier and could toss us in a trash can if they actually wanted to. Respect, and demanding respect, really is just smoke and mirrors.
lol, i'm not 90 OR decrepit, and you've never met me. lack of respect can easily get people killed, and is one of the foundations of a functioning society. calling respect "just smoke and mirrors" is beyond stupid.
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Kayna
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posted December 02, 2021 02:57 AM |
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Well, then, respect your covid measure enabling overlords.
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fred79
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posted December 02, 2021 07:05 AM |
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Edited by fred79 at 07:24, 02 Dec 2021.
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i don't respect liars or tyrants. they don't respect the people they lie to and oppress, they don't respect the Constitution(which means they don't respect themselves, because they took an oath to uphold it), and they don't respect the standards and traditions of any country they're a part of.
they lost my respect and the respect of all like me, when they showed they have no decent principles. all of their power is built from their lies and tyranny, and the only way to fix that is to replace them all with people of principle; and then to enforce the standards and traditions by reversing everything they've done; by giving the power back to the upstanding citizens, and effectively removing any power they had, or could have, from that point on and for forever, the ability of the loathsome vermin without decent principles, to ever influence others, or climb back into positions of power, again.
and i know it sounds hypocritical, because that's what they do, but everything they've done has been disastrously destructive for every nation they inhabit.
everything they do, is an inversion of decency and honor. that's how they are identifiable. they hail criminality, and teach criminals that they're righteous. they denounce law-abiding citizens, and treat them like they're the bad guys. they use every effort they have, to invert anything decent, and denounce anyone calling them out on that.
they separate race from race, and they do so in a country that was designed for free, decent people of ALL races. they do whatever they can to give criminals a free pass into law-abiding citizens' countries, then make those very citizens pay for the keeping of those criminals.
the list goes on and on and on.
imagine, if every nation was in the hands of people who loved their countries, and upheld the standards of a free, decent populace.
yeah, dream on, right?
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted December 02, 2021 09:10 AM |
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I really couldn't care less what you think of my moderating or me, fred. In my view, you break the CoC more often than others, and there's nothing more to it.
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fred79
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posted December 02, 2021 10:02 AM |
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Edited by fred79 at 10:07, 02 Dec 2021.
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my point still stands, and always will. if others who inflamed a conflict aren't penalized for the same behavior of those you punish, for any reason, you're not moderating fairly. there is a plainly evident biased lean towards enforcing leftist control here at hc; that cannot be denied, galaad. this has been discussed since back when elodin was still here; and nothing has changed, still. you leftists bully those you view as opposition(and much moreso these days, where you enforce or agree with tyrannical rule that affects the whole world).
if you and cor weren't always supporting only one side primarily, you wouldn't have a problem. if you two didn't silence any anti-corruption dissent, you wouldn't have a problem. if you two didn't VILLAINIZE more active non-leftists, you wouldn't have a problem. that you think you are righteous in only serving one side, is a problem. that you think that you yourselves aren't breaking the coc with your authoritative bias and guided moderation use, is a problem.
i seriously don't get why you moderate fairly elsewhere, but not in world discussions.
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artu
Promising
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted December 02, 2021 10:35 AM |
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fred said:
you cannot argue against this simple fact: those in power manipulate others to STAY in power, and use their power to GAIN more power. everyone BENEATH them are CANNON FODDER. AND, people in power use OTHERS in power to network and expand their own power; effectively holding a MONOPOLY on power over others*.
and you act like i believe in flat-earth for pointing this out.
These are not specific facts, you might as well said something such as "boys will be boys." People in power manipulate, but they have to be smart and convenient about their manipulations, if lies become too big, too obvious, too infeasible, they dont work. People in power, especially in developed countries, also have to watch out that masses are relatively pleased and they are not in a position of "nothing left to lose" or else they will be overthrown by other power hungry people just waiting around the corner. A power player has to also keep the masses happy and comfortable to a certain point. That's why it is a skill, people without the skill but only the greed, destroy themselves and get chewed up in the cogs quite quickly: It is never a monopoly. That's why even in times of actual monarchies, you had stories like the Sword of Damocles, always hanging over the heads of those in power.
And flat-earthers also support their conspiricies with similar arguments, it's never explained how these manipulators manipulate every scientific institution in the world, fake every data, fake technologies that work only if the world is a globe etc. but somehow they do. When asked why would the manipulators (those in power) do such a thing, how is this beneficial to them in anyway, we get the same overdriven reply: It's about control, decieving the masses and keeping them in the dark. After all, how the world isnt a rotating globe but as flat and still as a tray, is also an "observable fact, in the real world, in real time," isn't it, if all you trust is your daily senses.
So, after by-passing everything said about how your convictions ahd impressions are not facts, you once again define your conspricial interpretations as observable facts and surprise, it's the jews and Israel behind everthing! What is it with conspiracy theories and jews. It never gets old, does it. Anyway, Geny will have to make you disappear now anyway, lol.
Lastly, if you stop trying to decipher international politics with conspiracies and look at the real "real world" which is your own personal behaviour, you may start to realize that no mod is out to get you, everybody is being very patient with you and the times you got penalized, it was something to expect because you simply lost it. When you go frenzic, you start calling people all kinds of things, sheep, a threat to western civilization, puppets, transparently disgusting... And not just the ones who sometimes apply to sarcasm like me, you do this even to posters who are genuinely respectful to you like Gnomes or Kanya. (You know this is true, because when we point it out, you take it back and sometimes even delete your comments.) So how is blaming the mods for your own actions an adult thing to do. You are an extremely emotional person. It would be wise to realize that.
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fred79
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posted December 02, 2021 10:43 AM |
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i and others have pointed out VERY specific facts, and you guys just argue incessantly. you don't take into account anything we say; you just write us and our points off as bs.
should i continue reading and responding to the rest of your message? or will i be, as always with you and jj specifically, wasting my time?
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted December 02, 2021 12:38 PM |
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fred79 said:
you don't take into account anything we say; you just write us and our points off as bs
On the contrary, you have been confronted with contradiction, people brought you counterarguments to which your reply was that they are brainwashed. People showed you data (including me) to consolidate their argumentation to which you replied the data was fake or manipulated. I am not taking a side by saying this, it is just how it goes when arguing with you. Yes I did take part in the arguments, because even as a mod I have an opinion and I don't see why I couldn't share it and participate in the discussion too. Debates can go heated, but when you start throwing tantrums and insulting anyone even slightly disagreeing with you, it is my job here to have you face your actions, and believe me it is clearly unpleasant to do so.
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fred79
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posted December 02, 2021 01:00 PM |
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Galaad said:
you have been confronted with contradiction, people brought you counterarguments to which your reply was that they are brainwashed. People showed you data (including me) to consolidate their argumentation to which you replied the data was fake or manipulated.
all of you have done this exact same thing. you guys don't even BOTHER actually taking into account what i and others point out that directly contradict the lies you all were told, that you are all retelling. any "info" YOU guys present come from the very sources i'm railing against, that has ALREADY been taken into account, and verified as manipulated info. there is a difference.
you and the others keep being disingenous, and it's annoying, to say the least. when i point out you taking a SIDE, it has nothing to do with your beliefs and how you express them; and you damn well know that, because i was specific that this was a MODDING issue. it is how you choose to moderate when someone argues against you and the others. i can't remember the last time you threatened or moderated ANY of the people in your camp. but you personally target me, while pretending like you're not doing so, like everyone unlike you is retarded or something; while cor targets a wider range of non-leftists. you're not fooling anyone outside your camp by pretending you're not biased here, dude. least of all, myself.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
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posted December 02, 2021 01:20 PM |
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whatever fred. Just keep it civil and you'll be out of trouble. Simple.
Now let's stop derailing the thread with this and try to maintain a sane level on the thread's topic discussion before Corribus closes it.
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JollyJoker
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posted December 02, 2021 01:31 PM |
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Fred, let's be clear here.
When you argue, you argue the same way a religious zealot argues: DON'T YOU SEE IT? ISN'T IT OBVIOUS? HOW COULD ALL THIS BE WITHOUT A GUIDING, CREATING GOD BEHIND IT?
And then you'd go on and cite how well all is designed, and when anyone argues, you'd say, ah, well, that's the atheist media that tell you lies. You should use your own two eyes and look at things and BELIEVE WHAT I TELL YOU.
THAT is your line of arguments - and it's not working. WE DO NOT ACCEPT THAT!
And that's why your complaints about the moderation are ridiculous. Because you are not DISCUSSING. You PREACH something. The gospel according to fred.
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fred79
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posted December 02, 2021 02:14 PM |
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Galaad said:
whatever fred. Just keep it civil and you'll be out of trouble. Simple.
Now let's stop derailing the thread with this and try to maintain a sane level on the thread's topic discussion before Corribus closes it.
do you know what else is simple? to leave me alone and stop threatening me. you are directly creating a situation, and continually worsening it. how do you, moderator, expect me, member, to keep my cool when you KEEP threatening me out of the blue, for no justifiable reason? just leave me alone. it's that easy. i'm not breaking any rules any more than the others you won't bother. so leave me alone. we're all good here. nobody is in this or any other thread that doesn't want to be. we're peas and carrots here.
and, if you want to address derailing, you're doing just that. if cor hadn't continually locked the appropriate threads for any arguments we have to default to elsewhere, there wouldn't BE any off-topic discussions in mostly unrelated threads.
that said, i will try to stay on-topic. but, if we don't have threads to discuss what we want to discuss, that always get locked for whatever reason, there's going to be cross-posting. so your threat to use cor to lock a thread, isn't logical in the slightest. by locking an on-topic thread, you are guaranteeing that there will be off-topic elsewhere.
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