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Thread: Heroes III: Day of Reckoning Announce Teaser This thread is 22 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 ... 10 ... 18 19 20 21 22 · «PREV / NEXT»
FirePaladin
FirePaladin


Legendary Hero
DoR Modder
posted March 19, 2024 03:12 PM
Edited by FirePaladin at 15:38, 19 Mar 2024.

Happy 25th anniversary, fans of Heroes of Might and Magic 3 worldwide! To celebrate this event, the Day of Reckoning team has prepared another project update, which, just like the New Year's update, will contain something special (and, this once, it is something related to non-Palace content as well!). Make sure to read this update, and stay tuned!


The Viking and Einheri

Real-life Vikings have carved out quite a reputation for themselves in modern folklore - one of ferocity and valor, but also appreciation for the beauty of the raw, Nordic nature, aptitude for creative arts and a sophisticated religious system that to this day resonates with many. The vikings in DoR borrow heavily from all of these tropes- and while they were an obvious choice for inclusion in a Norse, winterland faction for the above reasons, they do in fact already have a precedent in the M&M universe, nay, on Vori specifically - they have been alluded to in the flavor text for the unique broadsword Terminus, found in the pirate outpost in M&M8:

"As a child, before he carved his barbarian kingdom in Vori, Lars Eilief found this sword deep in an ice cave. When he died, it was set adrift with him on his funeral barge. How it ended up in Jadame is a mystery."

Although considered "barbarians" by outsiders, perhaps owing to their comparatively crude-looking equipment and architecture favoring wood over stone, the Vikings of Vori predate their Krewlish namesakes, and are in fact ancestral to them. But as it often tends to be the case, the descendant group has diverged so far from their progenitors that very little remains in common between the two peoples - today much more sets them apart. The myriad differences can all boil down to a single thing, though: philosophy. While the human barbarians of Krewlod are ferocious and offense-oriented (ironically, embodying the berserker archetype often attributed to real-life Vikings), the barbarian settlers on Vori never really abandoned their ages-old religion and traditions. They believe in fulfillment though falling in honorable combat, so in death they can become worthy of the halls of Valhalla and, by extent, Reincarnation. To this end, they employ a deliberate, defensive style of combat - reminescent of the coming of winter itself - slow, but inevitable. Their outlook on life is also markedly different from the opportunistic, brutish and might-worshipping Krewlodians - the Vikings value honor, valor, camraderie, the warmth of the hearth and defense of the land - while remaining largely unconcerned with conquest or expanding their personal influence. This translates to them being the single most defensively impressive and tanky T1 unit of all, surpassing even the Pikeman.


Viking. Idle, mouseover and attack frames, 300% resolution.

In keeping with the overall motif of Palace, the Vikings also have a mystical aspect to them. Sharing in the presence of some virtually divine dwellers of the realms of Norse legends seals their convictions, but not only - upon dying honorably in battle, the vikings are reincarnated by the Valkyries into Einherjar, virtually immortal defenders of Vori. This closely parallels the Norse myths, where the only main difference is that the Einherjar guarded Asgard instead, the realm of the gods.
Gameplay-wise, this only means that one of the new spells, Reincarnation, is more effective when cast on the creature. This is more of a flavor ability, just like that of Pikemen taking less damage from Cavaliers.


Einheri. Idle, walk, defend and mouseover frames, 300% resolution.

If you have paid attention to this update thus far, you might have noticed that the Vikings have been called a level 1 Palace creature. Weren't the Nisse and Tomte Palace's T1 creature, you might wonder? That's true, but that's only half of the story. The Day of Reckoning project is meant to be a full-scale, true expansion to Heroes of Might and Magic 3, and thus far, each and every one of the game's expansions has introduced entirely new game mechanics: Armageddon's Blade introduced the concept of "elite" creatures like Enchanters and Sharpshooters, which can be upgraded only by certain heroes and from "regular" creatures, whereas Shadow of Death added combination artifacts to the game. The main such mechanic that DoR introduces, however, is that of alternative creatures. In a way, this is meant to answer the question of what NWC would have done if they continued to make addons for HoMM3, in a similar vein as it happened for other old games, like Age of Empires 2. It is not unlikely that, in order to answer both gameplay and thematic needs, as well as freshen up the older factions, NWC could have decided to add HoMM4's concept of alternative creatures, and adapt it accordingly to HoMM3, without the inherent flaws or "uniqueness" present in the former.

Thus, in DoR, you will see alternative creatures in every faction. Do not worry, however, for behind the addition of each and every one of them are many hours of studying the design of the faction, its color palette, its themes, the creatures it lacks and so on, while keeping in mind the town's associated feeling and atmosphere that HoMM3's players love so much. This is also paired with the need to answer certain gameplay concerns or even open up new strategies for certain factions, some of which were otherwise harder to play with on most maps. As such, any of the new creatures will be instantly recognizable by most players, and would not be far-fetched ports or inclusions of certain creatures just for the sake of referencing another game in the series, or satisfying the tastes or whims of someone in particular.




Squirrels found: 4/5

Some of you might be wondering if this would mostly be a port of the Tides of War mod, but that is not true at all. Some of the creatures will make a return, but with noticeable changes for the sake of the graphical and even conceptual quality and, in many cases, even gameplay. However, the other half have either suffered a change in factions (Neutral "faction" included) and major design overhauls, or have not made it at all. Even in terms of UI, DoR will feature more conservative (and also unprecedented) interface solutions for picking the alternative creature, whether in the town tree or when beginning the game. In the end, this feature in DoR is more of a spiritual successor of that mod, and will finally bring an accessible and thoroughly polished version of ToW's alternative creatures mechanic.

But this is enough on the mechanic itself, which will be reserved for a future post.
In other words, the Viking is Palace's alternative creature of level 1, being able to be picked instead of the Nisse. Yes, it can be chosen as the creature to be prebuilt in the player's starting town, and without resorting to silly pop-up dialogs. Rather, the option is seamlessly integrated into the map selection menu, together with the other starting options, such as towns and heroes.
Thematically, this gives the player the option to choose either a winterland creature, or the classic viking. This is meant to serve HoMM3's iconic and flexible storytelling power: in one map, the Palace town might represent a sophisticated civilization of ice mages living with various creatures from the winterlands, whereas on another map it could really be a viking town. Respecting such trends set by the original game is something of great importance for the DoR Team.
As you will notice, this trend also extends to the design of the hero models, the heroes themselves, as well as all the other aspects of the town.

Last but not least, the creature's visuals. The creation of the viking was very straightforward and relatively quick. It was, to be, a viking. Thus, he would feature a round shield, an axe, a viking attire, as well as a horned helmet (we are aware that this is not historically accurate, but that is the trope itself, for better or worse). The upgrade itself was diversified a bit by the addition of a norman shield instead of a round one, a chainmail, as well as the presence of the classic helmet.
You can check more visual material down below, including even a turnaround video! There will be no creature evolution sheet for the Viking in this update, for he suffered no real changes during development, with the most notable being his downsizing by a bit, lighter chainmail, as well as changed shield pattern. Of course, upon insistence, I can still share a little sheet which contains these changes.

Thanks for reading, I hope you liked this update. Have a great day, fellow people!


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gnollking
gnollking


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posted March 19, 2024 03:34 PM



This one is a lot harder than the previous one! I really can't find the last one, and I only spotted the bottom left one after comparing the trees behind it with the same def inside the map editor.

Amazing update as always!
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FirePaladin
FirePaladin


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posted March 19, 2024 03:45 PM

Thank you!

I will wait a bit before I post a hint on where to find the last squirrel. But yeah, it's hard to spot, I don't think any team member has managed to spot it alone either (well, other than me, who placed it on the map). And of course, there's a special bonus for finding all squirrels this once, too. A graphical one, I prepared beforehand this time.
P.S. it's not an unfair placement like the squirrel being behind an object and there are only 5 pixels visible from it, it just happens to blend in quite well.
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Koven1Nord
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posted March 19, 2024 04:06 PM

This looks absolutely wonderful!
I look forward to further updates, and I wish the team happiness, success in their labors, more inspiration, imagination, strength to work, and less burnout, trolls and other not particularly pleasant situations! Can you tell me how to join your team? Maybe I can help you create 3D models or something.

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FdgK
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posted March 19, 2024 04:47 PM
Edited by FdgK at 16:55, 19 Mar 2024.

Fantastic update! Thank you for your hard work!

Regarding the alternative creatures: Is there going to be the same number of alternatives for every faction or are they going to be different? Or are you planning on having 7 alternatives for every faction (which would seem a bit much to me)? And if there are letís say 2 alternatives for each faction are they going to be for the same level for every faction (e. g. for level 1 and 4)?

Regarding the squirrel: I am not sure since I am using my phone at the moment and it is really small but could it be in the top-right corner: topmost row and two tiles to the left from the entrance of the arena in front of the trees right next to the mountain? Sorry that I cannot post a picture from my phone.

Edit: Nevermind, I compared it with the same trees in the screenshot and I think it is just the tree.

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FirePaladin
FirePaladin


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posted March 19, 2024 05:23 PM

@Koven1Nord

Check HCMs.


@FdgK

Even half a faction's creatures having alternates is a bit too much, so no worries. =p
I think I pointed this out in the article as well, maybe when comparing it to H4 - having two distinct lineups simply doesn't fit H3, but does fit H4, which was ideal-based, rather than trope-based: thus, one branch of Death was filled with undead, while the other with demons (this is also prevalent in other towns, but to a lesser extent - eg. Academy with Wizards and Dwarves).
As for creature levels, it depends on the town and its concept, its balance, as well as the amount of creatures of that level (so, in total, there would be roughly the same amount of creatures of each level, in all towns).

Yep, just a tree...
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LordCameron
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posted March 19, 2024 05:57 PM

I don't want a hint yet, but is the grey blob two tiles south west of the book water a squirrel?
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posted March 19, 2024 06:08 PM



He's running out of places to hide!
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gnollking
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posted March 19, 2024 07:01 PM



Is this it? You can't just put in on top of new decorations that we haven't played with, perfectly blending with the pixels!
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LordCameron
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posted March 19, 2024 07:11 PM

At this point the flames in the campfires are looking like squirrels to me
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FdgK
FdgK


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posted March 19, 2024 09:23 PM
Edited by FdgK at 00:06, 20 Mar 2024.

FirePaladin said:
Even half a faction's creatures having alternates is a bit too much, so no worries. =p



I'm glad to hear that. It would indeed have been too much. The way you're planning it is much better for my taste.
I hope you will be able to provide two viable options so that it's not going to be a must to pick one and the other gets never used. But judging by how meticulously you work on the project, I'm sure you are extra careful about this point and there's no point in being worried about it. Keep it up!

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FirePaladin
FirePaladin


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posted March 19, 2024 10:24 PM

@gnollking

That's a runestone, actually! And yes, it's purely just a decoration.


@LordCameron

Haha! It became "a lovely bit of squirrel".


I'll give you guys a hint, though. It is in front of a new, DoR object. Might give another hint tomorrow.
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FdgK
FdgK


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posted March 20, 2024 12:03 AM

I think I might have found it. One tile to the right from the spell scroll; a white squirrel in front of the snow dune.

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FirePaladin
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posted March 20, 2024 01:15 AM
Edited by FirePaladin at 01:16, 20 Mar 2024.

I almost lost all hope, haha! Congrats! Do tell me if I should keep it this tough for future updates as well, or lower the difficulty (between the Nisse and Viking screenshots?)
Anyway, the promised reward. This is the current Viking dwelling in the town screen, adjoined by a special building, to the right.
Currently, the effect of the building is more of a flavor effect, as every town has at least one such building. Said effect is also related to, yet again, time manipulation. I am not mentioning what it is in order to still keep some form of surprise and wonder, but also because it might change with time (and thus we might end up with some awkwardness, as it was with the fireball attack misunderstanding in case of HotA's Halflings).

P.S. Yes, I am going to adjust the left side of the tree.


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LordCameron
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posted March 20, 2024 01:58 AM

I still don't see it
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LordInsane
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posted March 20, 2024 03:40 AM

FirePaladin said:
If you have paid attention to this update thus far, you might have noticed that the Vikings have been called a level 1 Palace creature. Weren't the Nisse and Tomte Palace's T1 creature, you might wonder? That's true, but that's only half of the story. The Day of Reckoning project is meant to be a full-scale, true expansion to Heroes of Might and Magic 3, and thus far, each and every one of the game's expansions has introduced entirely new game mechanics: Armageddon's Blade introduced the concept of "elite" creatures like Enchanters and Sharpshooters, which can be upgraded only by certain heroes and from "regular" creatures, whereas Shadow of Death added combination artifacts to the game. The main such mechanic that DoR introduces, however, is that of alternative creatures. In a way, this is meant to answer the question of what NWC would have done if they continued to make addons for HoMM3, in a similar vein as it happened for other old games, like Age of Empires 2. It is not unlikely that, in order to answer both gameplay and thematic needs, as well as freshen up the older factions, NWC could have decided to add HoMM4's concept of alternative creatures, and adapt it accordingly to HoMM3, without the inherent flaws or "uniqueness" present in the former.

I suppose one could argue that combination artifacts weren't entirely new given that a different take on a combination artifact was in Price of Loyalty, but then that honestly only seems to strengthen the argument for bringing in a take on a mechanic in another Heroes games being within NWC's wheelhouse.  

One question might be if alternative creatures, assuming there is more than one per town, can (in the mentioned map selection option) be selected separately or come as a 'theme'.

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AirikrStrife
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posted March 20, 2024 09:53 AM

Wow! it's fascinating how the MM universe, sort of just grows up, are there any other mentions of barbarians in vori besides that one MM8 line?

I'm really looking forward to see more alternative creatures and the ambition behind them, I agree alternative line ups should really work with the flavor and lore of the town, so I hope for example a fortress with more witch like elements, stronghold to maybe get human berserkers, inferno to get Baa cultists,

But about the viking/Einheri, isn't tier 1 a little bit underwhelming for the unit? I'd say at least tier 2, maybe 3.

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Xfing
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posted March 20, 2024 10:21 AM

LordInsane said:


One question might be if alternative creatures, assuming there is more than one per town, can (in the mentioned map selection option) be selected separately or come as a 'theme'.


Each alt dwelling will be selectable independently. Forcing players into locked creature lineups would seriously harm variety and customizability of towns, wouldn't it?

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Riccardo201284
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posted March 20, 2024 01:16 PM

May I ask if you have already planned a possible release date, or is it still too early,because it is in the plans to add more cities, heroes, creatures, objects etc. etc. all together?
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posted March 20, 2024 02:33 PM

Riccardo201284 said:
May I ask if you have already planned a possible release date, or is it still too early,because it is in the plans to add more cities, heroes, creatures, objects etc. etc. all together?


Too early to announce a release date as of yet. The scope for 1.0 is locked though, meaning that any new ideas that might appear in the meantime will not contribute to delaying the first release. The team is hard at work and more updates will definitely follow, so please be patient!

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