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Thread: Heroes III: Day of Reckoning Announce Teaser This thread is 22 pages long: 1 10 ... 15 16 17 18 19 ... 20 22 · «PREV / NEXT»
E1ChuRich
E1ChuRich


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posted January 08, 2024 09:40 PM

3fr337 said:
E1ChuRich said:
LordInsane said:
E1ChuRich said:
Riccardo201284 said:
@FirePaladin

Could the names of the other towns in the program be revealed?


My guess is:
Palace
Courtyard
Grove
Forge


To be honest, four seems… overly optimistic. Not to say that I don't have the greatest respect for the DoR team, but four towns is a lot of work. The way the hint was phrased and the very hint itself does seem to suggest that more than one town is planned, but that could just mean two, Palace and something else (I can see three creatures visible fully or in part that could be the non-nisse basic, default T1s, but just because something looks like it could be a town's T1 doesn't mean it has to be that).
Indeed, while there have been a creature from Forge (that in the original concept was T1) seen as early as the first DoR trailer and that does seem like it might be visible on that screenshot, we don't know if that will actually extend to a full Forge town.


Well since MDT team has merged with DoR team and we have seen some hints for Grove and Courtyard creatures we can atleast expect that those towns are planed in the future.

I hope they will release Forge (my fav unreleased town) and alternative creatures from Tides of War mod to make older towns more interesting. I enjojed those two MDT mods the most but unfortunately VCMI was always very unstable and unplayable for me (even the newer versions).


Are they planning to do something with Courtyard?


I don't know, but I think they are planing to add it because there were some Courtyard creatures in some screenshots and if I am not mistaken a member of MDT team made Courtyard and some MDT members have merged with DoR team.

Now this is all speculation I am not sure since our friend FirePala is being a little bit enigmatic which I support because there is nothing worse than when some team makes a promise for multiple towns ( like HotA crew with Forge/Cathedral and Kronwerk) and they get scraped. But ofcourse I have nothing against HotA crew and I am happy with Cove and Factory and all the hard work that went with it. I however am even more exited about DoR

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FirePaladin
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posted January 08, 2024 10:31 PM
Edited by FirePaladin at 22:31, 08 Jan 2024.

Yes, me being enigmatic is partly due to the fact that it's best not to overpromise or anything, in the first place. Learn from the past. It's also much more comfortable to finish most of it before going all-out with promotion and talking about everything included. Or maybe that's just me.
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Galaad
Galaad

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posted January 08, 2024 11:02 PM

Nah you're right FP, see Hota announcing Factory like 3 years too early
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FirePaladin
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posted January 08, 2024 11:14 PM
Edited by FirePaladin at 23:15, 08 Jan 2024.

Fair enough. =p
Everyone can make mistakes. The result was worth the wait, however (especially the campaign, I am eager to finish it). Just saying that the early announcement of Factory shouldn't undermine HotA Crew, heh. And again, we all are making mods out of passion and in our free time.
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LordInsane
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posted January 09, 2024 03:22 AM

E1ChuRich said:
Well I did not know that Forge was 100% confirmed. This is great news to me!

As for other content it sounds like there are a lot of great surprises in store for us. Can't wait
I am very glad that you are going with lore friendly storylines and factions.

Keep up the good work brothers.

It was ambiguously worded previously (technically the old confirmation could be read as a confirmation that there would be Forge creatures and they could be switched off in the settings, not strictly that there would be a Forge town), but obviously now it's definitely been confirmed. Definitely looking forward to see how Forge is recontextualised in light of Resurrectra's MM7 ending.

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Galaad
Galaad

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posted January 09, 2024 12:10 PM

@FP

Of course mate, was just kidding, and if anything, the jest was more directed toward the community than the hota crew.
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E1ChuRich
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posted January 09, 2024 12:47 PM

@FP

Well since we now know that glorious Forge  is on the horison.
Can you share if Forge will be featured in Vori campaign or have it's own campaign?

Since you are trying to get in contact with NWC who knows maybe you will get acces to official orginal Armagedons Blade campaign with Forge that was scraped ( it was almost finished).

I personaly don't like that Forge will be on/off and maybe won't get it's own spotlight campaign because of several Forge haters some of which are perhaps the same ones that send hate mail to NWC.

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FirePaladin
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posted January 09, 2024 03:41 PM
Edited by FirePaladin at 15:41, 09 Jan 2024.

Quote:
trying to get in contact with NWC

3+ years is an awkwardly long time just trying that, when people like Gregory Fulton can be contacted with one simple mail, and the same goes for other ex-NWC members as well.

The project actually started as just an initiative to make the NWC Forge, so the faction will definitely get all the respect it deserves. Even for NWC, the Forge was sort of a "story" faction, so you'd have to go out of your way to be able to play with it (although we made it easier in DoR with a simple on/off button). Which, again, is incredibly ironic, given that the only thing that the players who disliked the Forge 20+ years ago would have missed if Forge released would have been only a campaign scenario with it and perhaps some single scenario maps, not the entire game (due to Forge popping up randomly, which was not to be the case).

Also, for a bit of a progress update, most creature sounds are finished (with Forge's and Palace's having been tested as well), and I am working on making the adventure map sprites of Palace dwellings (those will also need looping sounds, which are not done just yet, but shouldn't be hard to make). Just as far as I am concerned, because other things have been modeled and portraits have been painted by other team members, at the same time.
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E1ChuRich
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posted January 09, 2024 04:17 PM

@FB

Awsome, thanks for the info it sounds very promising!

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Xfing
Xfing


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I like Forge
posted January 09, 2024 04:55 PM
Edited by Xfing at 16:57, 09 Jan 2024.

LordInsane said:

Definitely looking forward to see how Forge is recontextualised in light of Resurrectra's MM7 ending.


Yes, that's something I'd be very curious to see myself, although it should be noted that since we're trying to do Forge in a fashion as authentic as possible, the primary campaign to accompany Forge will be following the Dark Path timeline from MM7. Think - what would have happened had NWC released the Armageddon's Blade campaign as originally intended, rather than having to retool it last minute to have the Kreegans become the main antagonist.

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LordInsane
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posted January 09, 2024 05:46 PM

Xfing said:
LordInsane said:

Definitely looking forward to see how Forge is recontextualised in light of Resurrectra's MM7 ending.


Yes, that's something I'd be very curious to see myself, although it should be noted that since we're trying to do Forge in a fashion as authentic as possible, the primary campaign to accompany Forge will be following the Dark Path timeline from MM7. Think - what would have happened had NWC released the Armageddon's Blade campaign as originally intended, rather than having to retool it last minute to have the Kreegans become the main antagonist.

Ah. Well, I am familiar with alternate history, so what-if scenarios are certainly not something I'm unaccustomed to (I will probably approach it as a "WI Kastore won in the interim crisis?").

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Xfing
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I like Forge
posted January 09, 2024 06:10 PM
Edited by Xfing at 21:20, 09 Jan 2024.

LordInsane said:

Ah. Well, I am familiar with alternate history, so what-if scenarios are certainly not something I'm unaccustomed to (I will probably approach it as a "WI Kastore won in the interim crisis?").


Well, Armageddon's Blade was originally supposed to pick up where the dark path ending of MM7 left off, therefore it's that one that was supposed to be canonical. But in the end indeed the light path ending ended up being canonical (without its own plot threads being pursued any further afterwards btw, which is super regrettable).

So yeah, guess technically you could call this a what-if, although arguably the most legitimate kind possible

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LordInsane
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posted January 13, 2024 03:14 AM

E1ChuRich said:
I don't know, but I think they are planing to add it because there were some Courtyard creatures in some screenshots and if I am not mistaken a member of MDT team made Courtyard and some MDT members have merged with DoR team.

Now this is all speculation I am not sure since our friend FirePala is being a little bit enigmatic which I support because there is nothing worse than when some team makes a promise for multiple towns ( like HotA crew with Forge/Cathedral and Kronwerk) and they get scraped. But ofcourse I have nothing against HotA crew and I am happy with Cove and Factory and all the hard work that went with it. I however am even more exited about DoR

Reading back in this thread, I realised that snuck into a post about the design logic behind elemental/non-elemental alternate creatures for Conflux is confirmation of 1) a third faction, 2) that said third faction is in some way connected to other planes. Courtyard, as far as I can tell, doesn't really fit into that, though I suppose it would need reworking to find a home in the lore anyway.

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NimoStar
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posted January 13, 2024 04:12 AM

Due to the nature of the mod, I reckon (heh) that it will have to do something with the Ancients.

Plus, if there is a new town, it will be "good" (I think that completes 4 good, 4 neutral, 4 evil towns)
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LordInsane
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posted January 13, 2024 01:38 PM

The third town being neutral does have something for it; Forge is of course evil, and Palace has been indicated to be good.
The third town having something with the Ancients does seem plausible given it'd give the three towns a thematic throughline. Palace has the Snow Elven worship of and connection to the Ancients and the Nisse task to watch the skies for the ancient foe of the Ancients, and Forge is a twisted reproduction of Ancient technology.

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AirikrStrife
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posted January 15, 2024 08:54 PM
Edited by AirikrStrife at 20:57, 15 Jan 2024.

NimoStar said:
Due to the nature of the mod, I reckon (heh) that it will have to do something with the Ancients.



A faction based on ancients sounds like a really cool idea but also hard to do.

I'm just joining the conversation so a lot of things I'm not up to date on, but I feel ancients would be difficult since it'd be a sci-fi faction. Forge having been so unpopular and only become famous later as a "lost holy text" or what you would call it, factory facing mixed opinion (haven't tried it yet). Also from what I saw they want to make forge a very exclusive faction being able to toogle on and off. Adding a second super sci-fi faction seems a bit risky.

Absolutly there are still some possibilities I guess, but I wonder what the source material would bw? Now I have only played MM6-9 and all the heroes games. So I don't know if there are that much lore to use from earlier MM or maybe from a spin off? (Does anyone care about the ardon series?)

From what I gather they want to make lore based factions (which I highely approve of!) with Vori and Forge being the ones making the most sense. Off the factions that has been mentioned here, courtyard and grove, I'm fairly new to hanging out on the Heroes modding community so I'm not so familiar with the concepts, but afaik they're not particularly lore based. Courtyard I found and it looks really cool with it's alchemy based theme. The only grove town I can find info on is a warcraft town which seems unlikely.


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LordInsane
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posted January 16, 2024 10:06 PM

AirikrStrife said:
A faction based on ancients sounds like a really cool idea but also hard to do.

I'm just joining the conversation so a lot of things I'm not up to date on, but I feel ancients would be difficult since it'd be a sci-fi faction. Forge having been so unpopular and only become famous later as a "lost holy text" or what you would call it, factory facing mixed opinion (haven't tried it yet). Also from what I saw they want to make forge a very exclusive faction being able to toogle on and off. Adding a second super sci-fi faction seems a bit risky.

Absolutly there are still some possibilities I guess, but I wonder what the source material would bw? Now I have only played MM6-9 and all the heroes games. So I don't know if there are that much lore to use from earlier MM or maybe from a spin off? (Does anyone care about the ardon series?)

From what I gather they want to make lore based factions (which I highely approve of!) with Vori and Forge being the ones making the most sense. Off the factions that has been mentioned here, courtyard and grove, I'm fairly new to hanging out on the Heroes modding community so I'm not so familiar with the concepts, but afaik they're not particularly lore based. Courtyard I found and it looks really cool with it's alchemy based theme. The only grove town I can find info on is a warcraft town which seems unlikely.



It's almost certainly not the case here given what can be gleaned from that screenshot, but I could see a more 'stealth' sci-fi town than Forge drawing from elements like Xeen's Dragon Pharaoh, the Tomb of VARN and Resurrectra's portal for inspiration and a lore foundation.
For what it actually is, an Ancient connection could be pretty loose and vague, of course. Something like a town having some form of high-level connection to the Plane Between Planes could count given an Ancient agent is the only other known person with a tie to it.

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AirikrStrife
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posted January 17, 2024 10:55 AM


It's almost certainly not the case here given what can be gleaned from that screenshot, but I could see a more 'stealth' sci-fi town than Forge drawing from elements like Xeen's Dragon Pharaoh, the Tomb of VARN and Resurrectra's portal for inspiration and a lore foundation.
For what it actually is, an Ancient connection could be pretty loose and vague, of course. Something like a town having some form of high-level connection to the Plane Between Planes could count given an Ancient agent is the only other known person with a tie to it.


I would say the most doable ancient faction would be something with Escaton's crystal (I like your avatar) but that is in many ways maybe just a reworked conflux (one of the reasons I don't like current conflux is how it's just pulled together for the sake of it, an escaton based conflux could have had much more character and intrigue)


There is also ofc the odd way of distinguishing sci-fi. Everyone saying MM universe if fantasy and don't like sci-fi elements ignoring that kreegans are aliens etc. Sci-fi is become a catch all term for futuristic looking technologies.

Whatever it is the DoR are cooking I'm really excited to see it once it drops. It's great fun seeing so much life in such and old game I grew up playing as a child.
I know getting a comprehensive overview of the MM universe is difficult considering how vast it is and how little of the lore is properly compiled or expanded upon. And it feels like the team is taking it very seriously in getting things as right as possible
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posted January 17, 2024 01:57 PM

AirikrStrife said:



Whatever it is the DoR are cooking I'm really excited to see it once it drops. It's great fun seeing so much life in such and old game I grew up playing as a child.
I know getting a comprehensive overview of the MM universe is difficult considering how vast it is and how little of the lore is properly compiled or expanded upon. And it feels like the team is taking it very seriously in getting things as right as possible


This.
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Xfing
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posted January 22, 2024 01:11 AM

I think a true Ancients-based faction reflecting a society living in their own Time of Wonders would ironically enough resemble HotA's Factory at least somewhat. I mean not necessarily the rocky desert setting - any setting would work for such a town really - but there'd definitely be human units, some androids (most likely indistinguishable from humans), a magic creature or two - keep in mind the Ancients were as much magical as they were technological, it was a true "Magitek" society.

I won't even pretend to have a full idea of what such a town would look like - also keeping in mind that we have to avoid too many human units (since that's Castle's schtick). But what I can think of at least:

- Blaster guys like Robert/Tolberti from MM7 in frilly, high/collared tuxedos, probably strong spellcasters

- Guys with spears made by the Heavenly Forges (think MM7 "Sublime Spear"), could call them Guards/Praetorians or something. Superior stats of course. Justified because even though the Ancient society has access to laser pistols, they still use melee weapons because of tradition.

- Some sort of personal hovercraft/space pod that can both fly and shoot. Inspired by escape pods of larger ships, but much smaller - sized roughly the same as real life manned quadcopter drones.  

- At the highest tier we could probably bring in Guardians such as Corak/Sheltem/Escaton

Other than that I'm drawing a blank But yeah, with what little we know about the Ancients, it'd be somewhat tricky to get this faction right to do real justice to the Age of Wonders.

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