Actually is the opposite. Oryx is collecting data from random Ukrainian twitter accounts, which are sending photos and that's all, there is nobody on the terrain. Mediazona is investigating through social media posts by relatives, local media reports, and statements by local authorities. Government can hide casualties, families very unlikely.
Salamandre said:Actually is the opposite. Oryx is collecting data from random Ukrainian twitter accounts, which are sending photos and that's all, there is nobody on the terrain. Mediazona is investigating through social media posts by relatives, local media reports, and statements by local authorities. Government can hide casualties, families very unlikely.
Just say, you like one source and doesn't like the other.
I have never mentioned human casualties in my post so why are you again trying to derail the topic by presenting an unrelated argument - and, in addition, accusing me of bias?
The facts I stated are rather simple: Russians are losing a crapton of vehicles. And if they are losing a crapton of vehicles, does this mean the war is over and Ukraine lost? I guess not, seeing that after almost 2 years, Russians didn't achieve any of their ambitious goals.
Also "sending photos and that's all" is enough. What more evidence do you need? A photographed wreck means Russians lost another piece of equipment. Sometimes quite expensive equipment, for example the TOS-1. So unless you want to say something along the lines of "Oryx fabricates the photos", there is nothing to discuss here. The source can be Ukrainian, Russian, even Martian - if it shows a smoldering wreck, this means that yet another Russian vehicle has been destroyed. That's it.
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So Russians started with (for example) 2200 tanks and ends up with 4000+ despite ~2500 confirmed tank losses?
That's a rather lousy way to represent reality because those 2200 tanks were just (iirc) initial invasion forces.
Russia should have started with the total number of tanks and gradually go down from there because that's what happened in reality.
Too bad nobody knows (not even Russians) how many tanks does Russia have, because they have thousands of poorly serviced T72, T80. Nobody really knows how many of those can be fitted to run again.
So, such a infograph is pretty much impossible to make for Russian army.
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HotA? Much better was VCMI, Forge. Ok I realized Doomforge is HotA'er..
Russia wanted Statue of Liberty moves to Moscow.. Russia said true democracy and freedom in Russia.. I can't recommend to Doomforge moves to Moscow, but you can..
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Yes Russia is strong.. Think about modern USA lost to Vietnam.. I don't feel to write, because your brain says no.. The best you wait for the winner of the war.. Why? NWO or not.. When the war can't be won.. Do you remember what the West said? The war can't be won!..
The Ivans don't need to have anywhere close to even 1:1 casualties or loses of armor or other equipment with the horse people. Russia now has wartime capacity production. What that means is that a very large number of jobs in the Putin Federation are coming from building stuff that is used in Ukraine.
CNN (Salamandre's #1 favorite news source) wrote about how a "forever war" is likely Putin's goal, because actually taking Ukraine and installing a puppet government seems very unlikely at this point.
In sum, the West and the Putin Federation are not on an equal footing in terms of what they are willing to sacrifice. The value systems are significantly different. Putin & his advisors are perfectly aware of this.
Google translated: "Russia must be made to pay for the damage it has caused to Ukraine - part of the compensation funds are already in the possession of Western countries."
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