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Ghost
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posted September 12, 2024 04:57 PM |
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@Ben80
Yes! I read in a newspaper about their background. Example Russians fled to the west. Which one is dumber?
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gatecrasher
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posted September 12, 2024 05:25 PM |
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Ben80 said:
By the way, more and more Americans are moving to live in Russia. These are conservative, serious people and they carefully think through their decisions. They come to get to know the country, see that it is not as it is described in the Western media or as the capricious Russians themselves say, and they stay.
Sure, emulating Steven Seagal they're coming in flocks to the Holy Land where there can listen to the Saviour, Vladimir Adolfovich.
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Ben80
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posted September 12, 2024 05:30 PM |
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I don’t know about the Holy Land, but Russia could very well become the Ark of Salvation for the good people of the world.
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gatecrasher
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posted September 12, 2024 05:40 PM |
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Ben80
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posted September 12, 2024 05:44 PM |
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Right now, yes, and all the last days too, although I drink alcohol, like Ghost.
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gatecrasher
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posted September 12, 2024 05:53 PM |
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By the way, coming back to that titanium you mentioned.
Isn't it interesting that before the war Ukraine mined close too 200 times more TiO2 compared to Russia?
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Pol
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posted September 12, 2024 05:55 PM |
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@Ben80
Russians are leaving Russia at large, you can count that in millions.
Whereas your "conservative west citizens" landing in Russia are at least from half villains, who simply evade prison for harassing, debts, blackmailing, right out traitors and such great characters. The number is close to dozens.
So, if populating of your "Mother Land" will go in that direction in following 60 years, there will be only half of people.
Wiki: Demographics of Russia
"Russia's population had undergone its largest peacetime decline in recorded history, due to excess deaths from the COVID-19 pandemic.[17] In addition, at least 1 million Russians fled the country as a result of the invasion."
It's actually a feast, seeing Lavrov after his West hate speech, how he opens his MacBook, check news on his iPhone and quick check his Swiss watches.
Also from the viewpoint of China, Russia is The West.
Ofc world is not white and black. Now it seeks new balance and hopefully some more of sanity.
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Ben80
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posted September 12, 2024 06:02 PM |
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Edited by Ben80 at 18:03, 12 Sep 2024.
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gatecrasher said:
By the way, coming back to that titanium you mentioned.
Isn't it interesting that before the war Ukraine mined close too 200 times more TiO2 compared to Russia?
Well, that’s what Senator Graham said, standing next to Zelensky, the United States needs Ukraine because it fights instead of Western soldiers and because it is rich in resources that the United States needs. Nuff said.
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Ben80
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posted September 12, 2024 06:05 PM |
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Pol said:
Whereas your "conservative west citizens" landing in Russia are at least from half villains, who simply evade prison for harassing, debts, blackmailing, right out traitors and such great characters.
Yes, for example, Edward Snowden, who exposed US spying on all citizens of the world.
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gatecrasher
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posted September 12, 2024 06:08 PM |
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I see, so the mines will be decommissioned soon, I take it?
No need to dent earth's surface when there's no need for titanium, right?
Now, even if selling TiO2 to the US is what the Ukrainian authorities had in mind, what's evil about it?
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Pol
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posted September 12, 2024 06:12 PM |
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Ben80 said:
Well, that’s what Senator Graham said, standing next to Zelensky, the United States needs Ukraine because it fights instead of Western soldiers and because it is rich in resources that the United States needs. Nuff said.
He said: "Ukrainians should receive continued US support because they are sitting on trillions of dollars worth of resources that can help the US economy."
src: https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/graham-urges-more-aid-to--trillion-dollars--worth-of-mineral
Also? "I don’t want to give that money and those assets to Putin to share with China. If we help Ukraine now they can become our best business partners we ever dreamed of, that ten to twelve trillion dollars of critical mineral assets could be used by Ukraine and the West, not given to Putin and China."
src: https://newsvoice.se/2024/09/ukraines-resources-senator-lindsey-graham/
So, he just stated obvious and there was not a word about fighting for the West.
The Money/Resources were a primary reason why Russia launched the war against Ukraine. The special looting operation, was extra slick prepared.
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Pol
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posted September 12, 2024 06:15 PM |
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Ben80 said:
Yes, for example, Edward Snowden, who exposed US spying on all citizens of the world.
Edward Snowden fled to Russia at 23 July 2013. So we are talking about completely different times here.
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Ben80
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posted September 12, 2024 06:18 PM |
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Edited by Ben80 at 18:20, 12 Sep 2024.
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Pol said:
The number is close to dozens.
Why dozens? In 2022 alone, 10,000 passports were issued to Americans alone. Do you know the number of Ukrainians who moved to Russia after 2014 ? It amounts to millions.
Pol said:
The Money/Resources were a primary reason why Russia launched the war against Ukraine. The special looting operation, was extra slick prepared.
Well, yes, otherwise Russia doesn’t have enough resources of her own (sarcasm). This is your problem, that you base all your far-reaching conclusions on absurd premises. A person cannot reason normally logically about hatred, and this is immediately obvious.
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Ben80
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posted September 12, 2024 06:19 PM |
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Edited by Ben80 at 18:23, 12 Sep 2024.
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Pol said:
Edward Snowden fled to Russia at 23 July 2013. So we are talking about completely different times here.
You and I are talking about different times. For some reason you think that I should think the same as you.
Pol said:
The number is close to dozens.
How close is it by the way? A little less or a little more?
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gatecrasher
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posted September 12, 2024 06:25 PM |
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Ben80 said:
Well, yes, otherwise Russia doesn’t have enough resources of her own (sarcasm).
Thing is, Russia hasn't got any industry to make much use of their resources. So they are going to export the resources they looted in Ukraine the same way they have been selling out the ones from mainland for years.
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Ben80
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posted September 12, 2024 06:30 PM |
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Edited by Ben80 at 18:36, 12 Sep 2024.
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gatecrasher said:
Thing is, Russia hasn't got any industry to make much use of their resources. So they are going to export the resources they looted in Ukraine the same way they have been selling out the ones from mainland for years.
Resource extraction itself requires quite complex technologies. For example, to extract resources in the Arctic Ocean, you need to have nuclear icebreakers. Russia produces these icebreakers.
Again, it’s a matter of the existing distribution of labor. Now this distribution is collapsing, but it is impossible to change everything at once. However, a country that knows how to extract resources can, if desired, produce goods from them.
The depravity and simplicity of the Russian oligarchs suited the West quite well. West was satisfied with the existing distribution of labor.
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gatecrasher
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posted September 12, 2024 06:39 PM |
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Do tell! So far Russia have just not desired to process resources domestically. They just chose not to do so at one point in time. That's how it was!
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Pol
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posted September 12, 2024 06:42 PM |
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Ben80 said:
Why dozens? In 2022 alone, 10,000 passports were issued to Americans alone.
There's no source supporting your statement. So, I will remain, with "dozens".
Ben80 said:
Do you know the number of Ukrainians who moved to Russia after 2014 ? It amounts to millions.
Has been moved, most of them involuntarily. To prevent confiscation of their property on the occupied territory. Some of them moved directly to schools, as they were strip of their parents. Disgusting matter indeed.
Ben80 said:
Well, yes, otherwise Russia doesn’t have enough resources of her own (sarcasm).
Otherwise Russia would need to be competitive against Ukraine in export and utilisation of resources and that is nothing, what it would like to allow. Monopoly is always safer.
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Ben80
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posted September 12, 2024 06:48 PM |
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Edited by Ben80 at 18:52, 12 Sep 2024.
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Pol said:
Has been moved, most of them involuntarily. To prevent confiscation of their property on the occupied territory. Some of them moved directly to schools, as they were strip of their parents. Disgusting matter indeed.
Again, you are talking complete absurdity (just say what you would like) - no more than one million people, perhaps no more than half a million, live on the territory of Kherson and Zaporozhye under Russian ownership. Crimea and Donbass immediately said no to Ukraine and yes to Russia (2014). I personally worked in the same company in 2014 with a person who emigrated from the Dnepropetrovsk region (although this is not the most Russia-friendly region in Ukraine). People wanted to escape the madhouse into which the West turned Ukraine after the illegal coup.
gatecrasher said:
Do tell! So far Russia have just not desired to process resources domestically. They just chose not to do so at one point in time. That's how it was!
Yes, this is how they get resources: they just take a shovel and pour it into a bag.
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gatecrasher
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posted September 12, 2024 06:57 PM |
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Ben80 said:
Yes, this is how they get resources: they just take a shovel and pour it into a bag.
I'm quite aware of the challenges involved in the exploration and delivery of resources. That doesn't change the fact you can't eat your Nickel, your Titanium, your oil.
I'm also sure you don't go out shopping for 2 tons of TiO2.
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