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LordCameron
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posted January 22, 2024 05:15 PM |
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Do Mechanics work on Angels?
If not, should they? They are supposed to be great big robots after all, right?
Also Golems and war machines, but the Angels/Archangels are the important ones.
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FirePaladin
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posted January 22, 2024 05:35 PM |
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This could deserve a full, proper post, but essentially, since Angels and Archangels are living beings at the end of the day, it is most likely that they have an artificial, robot body (be it organic, organic-like, artificial to some extent or a mix of any of these - it would be weird if people saw them being made out of metal and wires) hosting a soul (keep in mind that the Ancients have the monopoly on the afterlife, too). If you have played MM5, there is a certain cutscene where you can see that Corak and Sheltem are made out of an organic(-like) material, despite being artificially created. Not only, but in the earlier games, Corak has recollections of another life. As a sidenote, Escaton the Destroyer, who was created long before these newer models like Corak, was closer to a classic robot (and probably a true, proper robot, without a soul).
The Resurrection spell also works on beings made out of inorganic matter (eg. Giants and Titans), so it can be assumed that it basically works on beings that have a soul, or at least that spark of life in them.
Lastly, the game (H3) doesn't really follow the lore by design, anyway.
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phoenix4ever
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posted January 22, 2024 05:38 PM |
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I don't think angels need any buffs, they don't have much to complain about to begin with and can already be resurrected.
But War Machines would be nice, possibly also gargoyles and golems as these can not be resurrected.
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baronus
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posted January 22, 2024 05:46 PM |
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Never be machines. What's a problem? Its only one interview with this suggestion from 2018!
Probably was a wardens of ancient world's attacked by Kreegans but not like Corack rather minor power. But not mechanical.
Rather something like you see in Escaton palace when Escaton ends his exsistence. But its living person.
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AlexSpl
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Supreme Hero
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posted January 22, 2024 05:47 PM |
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Mechanics/Engineers are only taught to repair Factory mechanisms. True resurrection of a complex living being (be it of aftificial or natural origin) involves a whole another level of expertise. Particularly that one which called magic expertise in this world. Mechanics/Engineers are just skilled technicians with limited knowledge and training in repairing mechanisms which they have access to/familiar with.
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FirePaladin
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posted January 22, 2024 05:50 PM |
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baronus said:
[...] suggestion from 2018! [...]
I don't think Gregory Fulton made a suggestion. He made a game.
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NimoStar
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posted January 22, 2024 05:51 PM |
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Golems and Gargoyles should be resurrected at the very least.
Plus Factory is ex-tower
This is a massive flavor fail and synergy, "no!! You can't use this ability with any other town!!"
Not a single abilityy of other towns works like this
Examples: Pit lords can resurrect ANY creature into Demons, not only Inferno kreegans.
Skeleton transformer works with creatures of ALL factions
Angel resurrect can target not-Castle units...
and so.
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FirePaladin
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posted January 22, 2024 05:52 PM |
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I agree that Mechanics/Engineers should repair golems and other mechanisms as well. It was also the case with H5's Gremlins.
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AlexSpl
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posted January 22, 2024 05:57 PM |
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Edited by AlexSpl at 17:59, 22 Jan 2024.
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Golems cannot be easily repaired because they are solid and their production involves a skilled mage. In the contrary, Automatons' parts can be easily replaced/repaired with just bare hands.
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Ghost
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posted January 22, 2024 05:57 PM |
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Only bluff belonged to Angels can resurrect themselves.. You know H4.. We haven't animation, so H3 can't realized..
When mythical stories tell about rebirth, resurrection, reanimate, animate dead, etc and stories can't find terms for Golems, etc So FP is right that soul, etc
So only mechas fix broken robots.. They can't fix spelled Golems..
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gnollking
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posted January 22, 2024 06:05 PM |
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I don't think golems are mechanical creatures. In a campaign cutscene you can see mages carve them out of stone, and I assume animate them by magic. The only one you can reasonably debate are mechanical are the angels, but there's too much ambiguity about how much of them is "engineered".
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FirePaladin
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posted January 22, 2024 06:05 PM |
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@AlexSpl
Of course, there's also that. Realistically, at the end of the day, it's up to the dev to decide on the flavor.
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phoenix4ever
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posted January 22, 2024 06:08 PM |
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Okay at least war machines, they are machines, so they are mechanical.
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FdgK
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posted January 22, 2024 06:08 PM |
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I find it to be quite logical that Mechanics and Engineers are only able to repair things with gears, nuts and bolts, which golems and gargoyles simply don't have. Angels might have them but if they do, they are not easily accessible from the outside, I guess, and they are way more complex machines since they come from the Ancients so I doubt that human engineers and mechanics have the knowledge and the skills to repair them.
War machines on the other hand are another story (at least catapult, ballista and cannon; first aid tent and ammo cart not so much) but maybe they decided to not make them repairable for balancing reasons and not give factory heroes unlimited war machines after purchasing them once.
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AlexSpl
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Supreme Hero
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posted January 22, 2024 06:17 PM |
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Actually, they are already overpowered. No other faction can deal with neutral armies with no losses with such an ease. Well, you may call that synergy balanced against human heroes, but against AI it's total nightmare for AI 
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Juas
Hired Hero
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posted January 22, 2024 07:17 PM |
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Edited by Juas at 19:23, 22 Jan 2024.
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AlexSpl said:
Mechanics/Engineers are only taught to repair Factory mechanisms.
Well, that thought makes me question if mechanics should or shouldn't be able to repair golems. But, to me, they should be able to repair war machines.
NimoStar said:
Factory is ex-tower.
That changes my thought ha ha. Because I really believe to make the game more open and synergic, and the mechanics more useful, they should repair every mechanic creature.
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AlexSpl
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posted January 22, 2024 07:33 PM |
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War machines are an option.
Actually, I feared a scenario of adding more resurrection options to the game. But... I enjoy new mechanics as thousands of players are, I'm sure  Still, IMHO, Factory is a precedent because of that. Only time will tell if it was the right decision. For campaings that synergy is perfect. The campaign of Factory is unparallelable even with campaigns of AB which most players consider the hardest. And that early synergy makes those hordes of neutrals look much less scarier But, this is my opinion, Factory is overpowered vs neutrals, and that phase is too important to ignore.
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baronus
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posted January 22, 2024 09:50 PM |
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Golem Gargoyle Titan was made using magic. So its magical creation and using magical energy. Only 'reapair' can be made by Mages.
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sirironfist
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King of the ogres
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posted January 22, 2024 10:13 PM |
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NimoStar said:
Golems and Gargoyles should be resurrected at the very least.
Plus Factory is ex-tower
This is a massive flavor fail and synergy, "no!! You can't use this ability with any other town!!"
Not a single abilityy of other towns works like this
Examples: Pit lords can resurrect ANY creature into Demons, not only Inferno kreegans.
Skeleton transformer works with creatures of ALL factions
Angel resurrect can target not-Castle units...
and so.
The more logical course of action would be to make pit lords and the skeleton transformator unable to resurrect/transform certain units. To abandon logic elsewhere just because it was overlooked in parts of the original game is a bad idea.
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AlexSpl
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Supreme Hero
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posted January 22, 2024 10:23 PM |
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Edited by AlexSpl at 22:24, 22 Jan 2024.
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That's the point. Golems to Skeletons seems beyond any logic. They don't have bones even.
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