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Lith-Maethor you are an insensitive ignorant prick. "the 9/11 thing"...what a total loser you are! To trivialize such a horrendous event is past compare. What are you some sort of anti-American pro-terrorist freak?
Umm... Lith was just trying to make a point, which is that we don't know 100% that OSBL did it. You don't need to get all medieval on him. However, yes people did die, but that is no reason to call him an "anti-American pro-terrorist freak." Just because I discuss September 11th and express my opinions on it does not mean that I am part of the Taliban... I am just trying to reason what makes sense to me and what does not. Perhaps one of the reasons why it seems "everyone" hates Americans is because we have been stereotyped by overreacting individuals such as you.
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posted July 26, 2002 01:03 AM |
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I agree with Darion. "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel". If you ever get stuck in a lift with an equal bigot from Veitnam, Cuba or Cambodia, my prayers are with you.
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posted July 26, 2002 03:37 AM |
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Darion the enlightened,
Hmmm...overreacting? Lets see 3000 die a horrific death...a nation is placed in terrible fear...thousands upon thousands of families are directly affected....and I am overreacting? What is wrong with you? Lets see if you can look into a child's eyes who lost their father on 9/11 and joke about the event like Lith Maethor did...can you? If you can or can tolerate those who do you I have to question your humanity. Whenever an atrocity happens to others wherever they live we should show compassion and respect! Do you also tolerate and accept people who trivialize the historical slaughter of Jews in Germany? Can you picture Lith saying “for all I know I could be responsible for the murder of thousands of Jews in Germany”….nope I bet you wouldn’t think that is very cool…so lets not be two-faced.
I have no problem with people “reasoning” about the killer OBL…but to trivialize and joke about the terrible event….why would anyone that has an ounce of human decency defend that!
As to "everyone hates Americans"....well first that is doubtful. Second I find it quite ironic that a nation like ours that has given so much to the world is held in disdain by some. A brief overview of the basic history should quite those fools. Are we perfect...of course not...but lets just take a basic look at some of the very far reaching positive things that America has done to contribute to the betterment of the world.... inventions (electricity, airplanes, computers, cars...etc, etc, etc). We have given BILLIONS of dollars in foreign aid. We were a major factor in stopping both world wars...If not for the USA and the Soviet Union Europe would pretty much be under a Nazi regime. One could go on and on and on about the contributions America has made. And if America is so bad why are we the most sought after country by immigrants???
Stand up and be proud don’t be a wuse. You should be ashamed to be so PC. No other nation like ours seems to suffer from such self-loathers…it is incredible.
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posted July 26, 2002 03:45 AM |
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I am not american... but...
The Recycle Bin Laden must suffer for what he have done. Do not let him die, but let him tortured. If he slap up, then we'll punch him. If he punch us, then we'll cut each of his fingers, and then cut his legs and arms, smash his skull, then leave him alone.
Sandro gone berserk...
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posted July 26, 2002 04:04 AM |
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Yes
Then blow up the rest of his clan, and spit on they're gods.
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posted July 26, 2002 04:10 AM |
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Dargon, whatever your name is. Does the entire world have to revolve around america because we got hit with two planes??? sure, it was a big loss, and sure People are Still Mourning. But The entire world doesnt have to feel sorry for America, The Rest of the World Could Care less about america, and Wish it to burn, But that is the rest of the world, not us. And For the rest of the americans, Just because you are Sad, you dont take it out on others.
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Hey You, Green Avatar Dude, I am American. I Dun Give a snow What he says, Because In 5 years, Everyone will forget all about it, There Will be Movies on it, Jokes on it, People will Laugh about it.
For Instance, pearl Harbor, At first Everyone was touchy about it. Nowadays there is Movies, Books, Jokes, And So forth so forth. And There is a point, No One has 100% proof that OBL Commited the attacks. more like 99% No wonder the rest of the world hates america. they need to take the damned Sticks out of their Asses.
Everyone except the dead people and the poor families left behind you bonehead!!
A typical statement from a 12 year old I'll bet!
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posted July 26, 2002 04:45 AM |
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Dargon - All of those contributions you named are certainly grounds for America to be liked. But, there are several things that make other countries not have a liking for us... for example, the U.S. providing millions of dollars to Israel is undoubtedly a move that has angered a lot of people. A good portion of the Middle East views America as "the Great Satan" thanks to the propoganda that occurs over there. The U.S. during the Clinton administration sent out military forces to several conflicts occuring throughout the world (Kosovo is one that comes to mind immediately) and some countries took offense to that, saying that the U.S. should keep its nose out of their business. And quite frankly, the Bush administration has done a horrible job on foreign relations. For example, recently the USA (and Israel for that matter) walked out on the UN conference on terrorism-- Why? Because one of the things being asked was to DEFINE terrorism. The U.S.'s stance on the "War on Terror" has turned a lot of other world leaders off, and rightfully so. Another factor is jealousy, quite frankly. A lot of people bash the U.S. without any backing, and why do they do that? Because it's fun to try and bring down the big guy.
Now, let me clear something up here. I am American. I do enjoy being a U.S. citizen... however, I do think that the government's handling of certain situations is rather short-sighting and not done for the good of the world, but rather for personal gain. The U.S. is the world's only superpower right now, but that does not mean that it is infallible.
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Lews_Therin
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posted July 26, 2002 04:49 AM |
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Sandro, thanks for your humanistic approach.
Dargon, we´re living in a world where 40000 children are starving every day, one death every 2 seconds (that´s an old number, in fact it´s probably many more today). Yet people all over the world were collecting money to help the family members of the victims of 9/11, from a country that pays hundreds of billions of dollars for weapon technology, for the destruction of human life! That definately IS reason to be a little bit sarcastic, don´t you think so?
What happened on that day is certainly terrible, but with the abovementioned instruments, America has for example killed more than twice the number of civilians in their so-called "war against terrorism". Why aren´t you equally hysteric above that? Are American lives so much worth more than those from third world countries?
As far as I´m concerned, christian and muslim fundamentalists are equally disgusting. Stand proud of what you achieve on your own, and have a nice day.
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Finally Sober
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posted July 26, 2002 06:54 AM |
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But do people have to be So Sensitve about it? I Understand it is a serious Issue at the time, Being Almost a year since the tragety Happened, but No Reason to get so wound up. Lith Make a Sarcastic Joke Remark, And Now its like he Said he Blew up The Moon (Actually, almost the same thing)
I Am Sad For those who Lost parents, Brothers, Sisters, Sons, Daughters, Grandparents in the tradgety, but i Certianly will not Go about Saying "Oooh ooh my Country got Nuked. Pity me."
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Celfious
Promising
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posted July 26, 2002 07:51 AM |
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I wonder about the lot of you, what do you think about Osama Bin Laden and the war on Terrorism?
How 'bout we get onto awnsering the lord of minitours, instead of lith.
I know that HC is all wondering what a half shae is, and mabey we have our idea's..
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Well, Quote:
How 'bout we get onto awnsering the lord of minitours, instead of lith.
Instead of what dargon said in reply to lith
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posted July 26, 2002 01:59 PM |
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ok i have a few comments on this
Lith-Maethor i think that was a bit crude though but im not gonna complain about it
dArgon you were overreacting im sure that Lith-Maethor didnt mean to insult anyone
Dar_Kraven you sure your american?
and back to the original topic.
Osama bin laden should be tortured like this
rip each of his fingernails off
then his fingers
then his toenails
then his toes
then his hands
then his feet
then his knees
then his elbows
then his legs
then his genitals
then his arms
then his right ear
then his left ear
then his nose
then his head
then put his head on a pike in washington D.C.
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CELFIOUS
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posted July 26, 2002 04:42 PM |
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Okay you know this is making me sick.
Look. I guess some ****head's in this world are racist, prejudust, pieces of ****.
That kind of crap need's to be left unsaid.
Personaly, argimechi (didn't catch your name) I dont like you. If you had kept your thing shut, then I would've never had this first immpression of you.
A countries a country. Your you, I'm me. Who care's where I live, who cares where you live. Just cuz you live somewhere else dosn't mean we wouldn't be friend's if I lived there.
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First of all, when i got knowing of what happened in NY/Washington i was hoping that the 4th plane crashed in White House or Statue of Liberty.
I'll remember that one for the rest of my life. Thank you for showing me how bad people can be.
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The US Citizens (not Americans, because American is the one who was born America, that is a continent, not a country) demagogy is ridiculous. They think they are the better ones but actually they are the stupid ones.
I see that steryotypical insight is the foundation of your entire post. Well, besides wishing more human being's would die.
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Dargon said that some US Citizens invented some great thinks... OK, the Chinese invented the gunpowder, that is a greater invention than any other that YOU created, and nobody keeps saying: "I am Chinese, my people invented the gunpowder, so we are better than you!"
Is daragon in the house of representative's? Did he say we're better than anyone cuz great invention's like car's, and telephones, and electricity, and so on, and so on were invented? He didn't say we were better than anyone right?
I mean, we're all human's. How could anyone be better cause they were born somewhere else?
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Do you think the US Army missed their targets and hit the Afghanistan civilians? They train a lot only to not miss their target in the right time!
Do you know anything besides that "you are"?
There's plenty of explanation's for something like that, and YES some are bad. I kinda feel you watch more news than I do though.. Media is the public enemy.
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It was OSAMA BIN LADEN who started the war against USA, not the Afghanistan neither their citizens, but USA still killed them. And YOU say that it is because they killed a lot of inocent people in the WTC, but in the war against Kosovo, Milosevic did not killed anyone in USA and the USA killed "another" lot of inocent people including hospital.
I'm becoming *yawn...* rather bored
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Don´t need to say anything else, the others have already said it.
I had a feeling, you had a feeling of a rant in proress..
But wait... The Bottom line IS???
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I am not pro-terrorism, I am only anti-USA.
Very proud of not being from USA, being just Brazilian,
WELL, thank's for letting us know. I appritiate your opinions which are probably based off your second favriout TV show, or your family.
I apritiate your obvious insult's to the USA worldwide, being on the net everyone can see.
P.S.
When I saw the kid's dancing, celebrating in afganistan, having a happy day cuz american's died... I only-thought-of you. (everyone like you)
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posted July 26, 2002 05:29 PM |
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Well, I personally don´t agree with Athimus´ post, but ...
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WELL, thank's for letting us know. I appritiate your opinions which are probably based off your second favriout TV show, or your family.
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When I saw the kid's dancing, celebrating in afganistan, having a happy day cuz american's died... I only-thought-of you. (everyone like you)
... this is somewhat funny. Did you never wonder why CNN always showed the same scene of happy Arabian-looking people dancing and in the street, thousands of times? I mean, if 9/11 had been celebrated so much in the muslim countries, why did they show only one film all the time?
When the old woman that has been shown smiling and cheering at the end of the film was asked later by some non-CNN journalists, she was appalled, and told them that she had been offered a piece of cake for acting like this in front of the camera, not knowing about the WTC plane crash.
Maybe it´s just propaganda, but don´t be too sure about that when you´re watching CNN. The course of events during the last 10 months was certainly not to their disadvantage.
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Celfious
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posted July 26, 2002 05:30 PM |
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Whatelse do you expect a normal guy like myself to say, when someone he dosnt know, speak's poorly of his country?
You dont even know anything about it as a god would, so I dont know why I'm wasting my time with speaking to you.
About the im
Sorry if I pressed on you to hard. You spoke of wanting us to die.
And wait, did you just say "See? Just as i said before, you are from USA you dont admit that anyone says anything bad (or real things) about your country. I like Dar_Kraven and some others that know that your country is not the "Holy" country."? Why yes you did.
You think people on earth dont take there lives and atmosphere for granted? Or you think I didn't say that.
Sure, some people in every country are little anarchist's. Some spraypaint wall's, some rob stuff cuz *oh boohoo* the world suck's.
I never said it is a holy country. I belive it's politics for prosperity, and some go to church.
Anyway's..
how would you feel if we we're in different shoe's? You and any "Anit-american's" should consider me out of this conversation.
I dont think any of you have a place to know asmuch as you have to, to say the thing's you do.
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Lews therin: Yes, that is quite funny. Media & publicity is my worst enemy. It show's me *the truth* "when I watch it" I hardly do
Only a week's worth from 9/11 did I watch.
Anyways, sorry for backin myself up just there.
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posted July 26, 2002 05:39 PM |
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"If somebody bombs America, it's war. If America bomb somebody, it's peacekeeping"
And Cat what do you suggest? After a nation is attacked, its response is a counter attack, not peacekeeping. And the peacekeeping is of a UN term, and the UN is largely European background. Just the same it can be said that if America bombs somebody it's war, it's unjust. If somebody bombs America it's deserved, it's jihad, it's justified.
As for this child vvvvvvvvvvv
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First of all, when I got knowing of what happened in NY/Washington I was hoping that the 4th plane crashed in White House or Statue of Liberty.
So then you endorse the attacks
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The US Citizens (not Americans, because American is the one who was born America, that is a continent, not a country) demagogy is ridiculous. They think they are the better ones but actually they are the stupid ones.
Dargon said that some US Citizens invented some great thinks... OK,...
When explaining who is "stupid" try to get your spelling right ok chief?
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...the Chinese invented the gunpowder, that is a greater invention than any other that YOU created, and nobody keeps saying: "I am Chinese, my people invented the gunpowder, so we are better than you!"
Are you serious?!?! wow, so you think all Americans walk around saying "hi, we invented nukes, planes, cars,...." to every foreign national they meet?
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Do you think the US Army missed their targets and hit the Afghanistan civilians? They train a lot only to not miss their target in the right time!
Do you have any idea how many friendly fires occur in a military operation on average, and do you have any idea what uncertainty analysis is? Oh my bad, that's not covered in algebra is it?
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It was OSAMA BIN LADEN who started the war against USA, not the Afghanistan neither their citizens, but USA still killed them.
You make it sound like the US committed genocide, the US is not at war with Afghanistan, it is not wiping out Afghanistan "cities" in bulk. The US is not targeting civilians in general. Have you no idea what guerilla warfare is?
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And YOU say that it is because they killed a lot of inocent people in the WTC, but in the war against Kosovo, Milosevic did not killed anyone in USA and the USA killed "another" lot of inocent people including hospital.
What in Sam hill are you talking about....Milosevic was committing genocide, the UN, NATO, and the US took action against him chief.
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Don’t need to say anything else, the others have already said it.
I am not pro-terrorism, I am only anti-USA.
I look like a duck, I smell like a duck, I taste like a duck, but I swear I am not a duck
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Very proud of not being from USA, being just Brazilian,
Athimus Phaeni
You make me very proud that the United States at least has a better education plan than your local Brazilian school.
Maybe you'd feel different if Brazil's soccer team was wiped out in a terrorist attack. But hey, no hard feelings, enjoy our greasy McDonalds and pricey star bucks, and feel free to come on over for some lager and steak and the complimentary high quality of living.
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posted July 26, 2002 06:59 PM |
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Talk about your 180's
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You can say whatever you want, I wont change my mind.
Celfious IMed me sayind ********* about Brazil, but I dont mind.
That's great thanks for telling me
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I know when you are saying the truth and when you are just hiding yourselves of the reality.
What were you reading? Better clean the bifocals because i haven't written anything along those lines chief.
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You should realize that your governament exxagerate in some actions...
Thanks for the news flash but i am not blind to propaganda, and if you think there is a single regime on this earth, brazil included, that does not use one form or another of propaganda you are gravely mistaken, and also reports from the media aren't exactly 100% either
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..and sometimes your patriotism is too high and covers the real things. I am not blaming the persons I am blaming the patritotism. It is completely different!
Ok first it was the US people, not america because like the elementary fact you reported, that is a continent(s), but now it's the idea of patriotism? With that flawed logic so many problems can be falsly blamed on patriotism, congrats on solving those for everyone.
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I dont want that anybody died. I never said that! The will of revenge is not good for anyone. It only makes more blood spread.
are you kidding me!? Do you not remember writing this!
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First of all, when i got knowing of what happened in NY/Washington i was hoping that the 4th plane crashed in White House or Statue of Liberty......I am not pro-terrorism, I am only anti-USA.
Very proud of not being from USA, being just Brazilian,
Athimus Phaeni
Those are your words chief, and correct me if i'm wrong but they don't sound healthy for living Americans.
Next time you want to put your foot in your mouth let me know, i have two size 11's that are willing to help.
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Celfious
Promising
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posted July 26, 2002 07:01 PM |
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I IMed you and said ********* about how the brazilian women love US military. I didn't say brazil did right? 
Beside's I told you I deliberatly said those thing's to have you feel a little like we do after your word's. And that I was messing with you.
Umm.. You said you wished people died!
something along those line's. LMAO
"I wish the 4th plane hit the white house" or something
Who are you to know what our patriatism is like? I dont even know what it is! LoL
Something about loving one's country? Well hey, it is my house. I dont exactly want usama's and clan's throwing plane's at us.
Attack's on america bring up flags. Your right, we will defend, we will not let these morons get away with this.
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Anyway's, I have a RL battle to attend to now *Rolls eyes*
My halfling's are getting triggerhappy
BTW..
You said offensive thing's and I retorted in a harsh manner, Even though the thing's you said were mean I have an overwhelming feeling of forgiveness, and a need to apologise for my word's.
Your word's might be how you feel, but what I said is not. Happy HOMM
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Conn
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posted July 26, 2002 07:45 PM |
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Only my opinion....
Any kiling of civilians is not jutsified, nor is it justifiable...Especially today, in the age of laser-guided bombs, and satelites that can read the license plate of a car in the middle of traffic...
What hapened last Sept can not be acceptable, no matter what the justifications. Those people that died had absolutely nothing to do with Osama or anyone else...So he should pay to the full extent of the law.
On the other hand, i can not help feeling that the US has brought all this onto itself, with it's habbit of mixing in the affairs of other nations, where it really has no busines. This goes as well for Israel as for all the Middle East, and anywhere else. Unfortunately, it shows this tendency to get involved anywhere, even when no one wants them there...And i always have this impression that they're using this conflicts to test out new weapons, or to get rid of old ones, which otherwise would cost money destroying...
As Arachnid said a while back, their "gun-ho" attitude is what bothers most people...
For those who say that OBL should be tortured....Don't u think you're sinking to his level? The laws are there for a reason, and if anytime someone breaks them, we decide that he deserves more than the law, we weaken them a bit more, eventually resulting in total chaos...
Don't u think that it would be much more effective( and would hurt him more) if you showed a cool head on your shoulders and still be civilized? (Not talking about attacking someone..even before all the survivors were pulled out...that's the "gun-ho" atitude). I think it will bring you lots of respect from everyone else, and countries would be much more willing to help you...
Anyway, what i'm trying to do is take the middle road...Extremes are never good...think about that
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Celfious
Promising
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posted July 26, 2002 08:31 PM |
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Hmm
Conn. I find your thought's rather interesting. We're on the same eye level, but spiritual were on oposite sides.
TO ALL:.. I DO not represent america.
I can take you all to a site where plenty of people from all over the world think like this.~~~~>
~~~>We all agree we're human's for one thing.. There's no difference between countries.
We all agree that nothing's wrong with any human because they live somewhere else.
The whole politic's thing, is just w/in and surounding a system we can't do anything about but watch and not care, or gripe and moan.
USA?? AUSTRAILIA?? JAPAN??
Whatever.. humans under the great hand of oppression and control.
Usama can die, and all who helped him.. But no need to down any countries *hand's twitch* especialy view's from people who dont know what there lookin at, and talking about.
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