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Launcelot
Adventuring Hero
The Great Knight of Logres
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posted June 02, 2001 04:43 PM |
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Exchange!
Ok from now on take the Crusader in the pool as a Paladin, because they are Cooler!
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Yarg
Hired Hero
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posted June 02, 2001 05:42 PM |
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crusaders/paladins/etc
maybe instead of these guys using magic, which is unrealstic i think, they could have the option of a mounted or dismounted attack. it's always been kinda funny to me how the champions use only the lance, whether fighting in close quarters or charging from afar. and all horsed creature types should have faster animation, anyway. a champion moving as slowly as the one in homm3 would not do a lot of damage with that lance.
i gotta say again that i really like the way that 3do makes it possible to associate religion with the game without forcing it on the players. what i mean is that it's cool how the castle town has characters that seem to serve a benevolent deity, and the "spells" like bless, cure, and most especially prayer, all fit in well with it. the castle towns seem to have a mission or quest or code at least that makes it fully believable that they would have the authority to recruit angels onto their side.
but the concept of using money to get them, as someone else said, is a little unsettling. maybe all 7th level creatures, or at least some, should be recruited by more creative means. like maybe each week, when you recruit crusaders, they will have a new "quest" or "mission" or something, such as capturing a certain town or acquiring $ or a certain arifact, or flagging a particular map item, and if this is done, the angels automatically join you. now that would certainly make players greatly value the powerful archangels even more than we already do.
jibba jibba jabba, rat-a-tat-tat,
doo-whacky doo-whacky doo
yarg
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SirDunco
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted June 02, 2001 07:30 PM |
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spells and quests
Well these troops could use magic asociated with relegion. Prayer,cure and bless. It makes simple sence.
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Yarg
Hired Hero
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posted June 02, 2001 07:38 PM |
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true
true sir dunco, now those kinds of things work. a higher level creature, such as a crusader or paladin, whatever you wanna call them, that could cast cure, dispel, or prayer once per round might be good. but any bless or less than that might not be beneficial enough to sacrifice their attack. makes me think of the ogre magi casting bloodlust instead of attacking. seems like a waste to me.
yarg
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Incubus
Disgraceful
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 02, 2001 09:14 PM |
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Wrong
A paladin isn't a paladin without his healing aura.
The crusadar has never magic and is just an mortal boring human.
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Mystery
Famous Hero
Hatebreeder
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posted June 02, 2001 09:16 PM |
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Paladins
they should regenerate and have the slayer spell on, but be kinda low on HP
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Nebuka
Promising
Supreme Hero
Save me Jebus!
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posted June 03, 2001 12:16 AM |
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I would like it better if a paladin is a hero not a creature. Also I think it would be good to choose between four different hero types in every town ( knight, wizard, paladin and priest - different towns, different names but that classes ).
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SirDunco
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted June 03, 2001 12:52 AM |
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Slayer
Mystery is right! They should have slayer too. In myths the Paladins vanquish dragons, behemoths and other. I agree with that.
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anfi
Known Hero
Computer Puppet
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posted June 03, 2001 01:45 AM |
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Realism
argh, i am SO stick of people wanting realism. This is a game folks, if you want realism, go outside.
But if you want realism, there was only one ceberus guarding gates of hell as well.
Honestly, the only realistic creature in the game is the peasent, it dies to everything. 
oh and btw, about angels and devils, some of you guys talk as if you have postive proof the really exsist.
You might believe in their exsistance, but that dont mean they actually do! (ouch, bolt of lightning just struck me)
The crusader doesnt have to be someone or something, it could just be a unit with the name crusader.
But remember guys, its ONLY A GAME, they could make an arch angel update to a peasent if they felt like it, it would be stupid but they could.
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"I Don't Cheat, I Just Interview Incase The Relationship Doesn't Work Out."
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Incubus
Disgraceful
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 03, 2001 02:12 AM |
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Realism
Thats the whole point here!!!
I think crusadars look stupid because they ever lived once.
Paladins never lived they are more for fantasy games.
I always hate knights and stuff because they once lived.
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SirDunco
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted June 03, 2001 04:13 AM |
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Wrong, wrong!
Paladins DID exist. In knightly hood a Palaind was the highest rank a knight could reach. It is in any book. So if u don't like knights u can't like Paladins either.
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pluvious
Promising
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 03, 2001 08:04 AM |
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I like the slayer idea with the paladin along with the wholy aura. They should also have holy armor that makes them tough to hit (high defense) and advantages to attack against undead. I would say give them a high defense but make them weaker attackers.
Also, I think more creatures should have special spell-like abilities like archangel resurrection and ogre-magi bloodlust. But these abilities should be in addition to attacks not instead. Its stupid the way it is now. And then give the paladin bless and cure (cure should be better than it is right now of course) and you've got a solid level 6 or 7 creature.
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Darkmyth_Miura
Adventuring Hero
£ï£DmAn Go to Hell
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posted June 03, 2001 08:42 AM |
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This is a weird discussion... but Angels are more tempting for many reasons. First, if we do switch back to paladins /crusaders, the knights town would be greatly overthrown in Heroes 4 and later series. The crusaders and paladins are TOO WEAK. Even if you make them super strong, it would be awkward that a human in plate mail could do that much damage. Angels are good. It made the knight's castle the strongest in Heroes 3. I would suggest reducing the power of all the other creatures in the knight's castle.
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Darkmyth_Miura
Adventuring Hero
£ï£DmAn Go to Hell
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posted June 03, 2001 08:53 AM |
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Incubus, you are so stupid.
Quote:
"...Thats the whole point here!!!
I think crusadars look stupid because they ever lived once.
Paladins never lived they are more for fantasy games.
I always hate knights and stuff because they once lived."
Uhh... you know any history? Yes there were crusaders, and yes there were paladins. Both were in the giant war in the 1100 (during the time when Roland Ironfist supossively lived)called the CRUSADES. THIS GAME IS A FASTASY GAME. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, PLAY ANOTHER GAME. "Knight and stuff" is the basis for this game. It will ALWAYS have knights.
P.S. Anyone approve of my idea of Vengeance of Heavens? It's a spell that Paladins and crusaders can cast IF THEY GET ACCEPTED INTO THE GAME. What the holy bolt does is that it calls a bolt of holy light from the sky to dmg any creature on the battlefield (small dmg; depends on the # of crusaders in the stack; one paladin: 1-10 dmg) and heal and even resurrect fallen troops in the same army! This specialty will definitely make paladins and crusaders worthy.
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SirDunco
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted June 03, 2001 03:55 PM |
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Vengance of Heaven
I like it. I think this spell or special ability would work. Would make Paladins stronger and worth the money. Good idea. And Incubus, Paladins DID exist. Trust me I'm an expert in history(especiali medival).
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LadyLily
Known Hero
The Iron Maiden
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posted June 03, 2001 04:03 PM |
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I find that this thread is going no where fast. It really is a matter of opinion. All this lashing out...at least Incubus is on the ball here. Or, maybe you people like thrashing out at each other. If so, then keep doing it. If not....stay away from this thread like death!
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Incubus
Disgraceful
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 03, 2001 05:15 PM |
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What???
Lady Lily What do you mean with that?
And Paladins maybe exist but the aura part not.
And one knight i don't care about .
But i care about a whole castle with only knights and not other creaturs in it like paladins gryphons and arcangels.
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Yarg
Hired Hero
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posted June 03, 2001 05:27 PM |
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that's about it
that's really about all that can be said about this topic i think. and like dude said, they will do what they want. but i will be very surpised if angels are not in homm4.
yarg.
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SirDunco
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted June 04, 2001 02:38 AM |
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Yarg is right
Yarg u are right, but this disscusion is going somewhere. It is a place where people can post their oppinions about this subject. Well 3do is going to do what they want. The angels is probabaly going to be in, but i think this disscusion should be kept going.
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incubus
Disgraceful
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 04, 2001 02:42 AM |
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Discussions
I don't think discussions are bad or something.
I kind of like them.
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