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Legolas
Tavern Dweller
The Elven Archer of the Forest
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posted October 10, 2001 02:06 AM |
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Crusader sword
I know where i saw that! I looks like a sword from Diablo 1. i think it was called Executioners Blade!
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UnkaHaakon
Responsible
Famous Hero
happily tilting at windmills
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posted October 10, 2001 02:25 AM |
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crosshilts and sword symbolism
Actually, the cross shaped sword predates the crusaders by a bit. The late Viking swords had started to evolve a wider crossguard to offer more protection to the hand. Some bright early Christian theologian decided the sword was a perfect symbol for the cross, but the shape had much more to do with function than religious icon.
Several non-Christian cultures (the Tauregs, for one)use a cross hilted sword. It's one functional way to protect your hand when using a long straight blade.
The use of the curved sword also predates Islam. A curved blade has certain advantages used when slashing from horseback, and can concentrate more energy from the blow into the target than a straight sword of the same weight.
Oddly enough, in India, both styles were used at one time by different tribes/nations, and very early Japanese swords were essentially straight, double-edged cross hilted blades.
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Launcelot
Adventuring Hero
The Great Knight of Logres
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posted October 10, 2001 02:38 AM |
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I'm back!
Finally I have returned!
And I see this thread is up and running. Keep it up.
Now U'r right.
There were swords like this in the ages of the Vikings!
And i think they were with some of the Islamic warriors. The rest I don't know about.
I know one thing thought these eventualy developed into the Sabre.
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Carz
Hired Hero
for taming Dragons
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posted October 11, 2001 05:30 AM |
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Oops!
I didn't understand what this all meant at first, so I randomly picked crusader at the vote, sorry all archangel-voters!
Anyway...
My opinion is that Archangel should remain, regarding the fact catherine talked about them in the non-expansion during the campaign long live the queen.
Also, although the kreegans were defeated, my opinion is that, maybe they have risen or something, but either way, I reckon devils should stay. I also like the idea of Fallen angel instead of bone dragons.
Anyway, some people talked about realism, but I reckon angels should stay. I mean, if you're talking about realism, what about minotaurs, medusas, etc?
And why would crusader, armored human fighters, be a castle's best creature? Angels are stronger and more competitive and also they are larger. Following the storyline, I think Archangels and angels should remain as the greatest warriors, then puny armored human known as the crusaders.
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[Angels rule! Angels rule!]
Their father pops up
[High, I'm Michaelangelo, and I'm an ARCHangel]
The angels build some stairs and enlarge the portal of glory a bit, go in, and then come back out looking like Michaelangelo.
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Carz
Hired Hero
for taming Dragons
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posted October 11, 2001 05:41 AM |
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Oi, isn't this topic supposedly about whether archangels should go or not? Or... should crusaders replace them as lv.7 creatures?
Anyway, can someone tell me where I can get heaps of info about HOMM4??
Carz
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A Manticore enters his lair, puts more bones out so their visible, goes back in and comes out red...
A Griffin enters his tower with some builders, whereas they enlarge the tower a bit, then the Griffin comes back down white...
How are enlarging some dwellings or making them visibly bigger changing the colour of what they allow guys to recruit?
Question considered by Carz...
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SirDunco
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted October 11, 2001 06:35 PM |
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Crusader
Many people consider a Crusader just a pesant with armor.
That is not true. It's like calling a Green Baret just a Civilian with a gun.
Crusaders were trained to fight and only the best were chosen. I'm ofcourse talking about knights who later or at the time were Crusaders. They foought under the belivement that they are fighting a Holy War. BS! I don't support the idea of the Crusades, but if they wanted to go get them selves killed, it's their choise.
Lets get back to the topic. A knight is no pesant with a swrod, sheild and armor. s pleas of I hear one more comment about the Crusader being a Pesant with a sword and Armor, I will probably explode!
People please learn ur history.
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Gerdash
Responsible
Famous Hero
from the Animated Peace
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posted October 11, 2001 07:03 PM |
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some brainstorming on angels:
hmm.. forgetting all about some gameplay issues like balancing of towns and production of 4-th level creatures.. amybe it would make sense if the angel could be summoned only, and would assist you during one battle only.
the chevalers would be able to summon many small eros-like angels, the paladins would be able to summon an angel or two in the battlefield, and the monks could summon one archangel on the battlefield.. or if there were more than one archangel, they could summon as many as there are. i have been totally messed up by this thread, i always thought there were 4 archangels or sth like that, and one of them rebelled and became the devil, and so there would be 3 archangels that you couls summon. they would have names and maybe they would also gain experience, or maybe you would give all exp from the battle to the angels in terurn for their assistance. they would be sth like heroes that you could recruit but who go away after the battle with all the exp. and when there are different humans on different sides, they could not summon duplicates of the angel with the same name (well, it would be funny to have a lawful angel fighting another lawful angel, but it's the same in homm3 anyway). and an angel wouldn't die, it would just leave the battlefield when it's hp are beaten. and maybe you shouldn't be able to control the angels in the fight so that you could get them killed before the end of battle and still get the exp, or maybe if you have summoned an angel and they get killed, you will not get any exp anyway even if you are victorious. so the angels wouldn't multiply, but would just get stronger like a hero, up to sth like the azure dragon or sth.
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Launcelot
Adventuring Hero
The Great Knight of Logres
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posted October 12, 2001 12:58 AM |
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Good
I like ur idea about the summoning. The Crusadr could summon also. They thouht that they were doing the will of god. Yeah Right. but still they should be able to summon.
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Mikai
Adventuring Hero
A Wise Warrior
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posted October 12, 2001 08:54 PM |
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Edited By: Mikai on 12 Oct 2001
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To Gerdash....
I think the Archangels should remain the 7th level creature of the Castel as they are the mightiest beeings fighting evil ever mentioned. God created angels to protect humans and the valors of the universe and aid the humans in their struggle against evil. I don't agree that they should be summoned (if we want to be realistic) as there are more than "twelve legions of angels" existing according to the words of Jesus in the Bible. In HOMM3 although we generaly say that we are "producing" angels from the Portal of Glory, I think it's actualy a short word as they are "invoked" to help humans of the Castle Town, rather than produced. But Gerdash, you're right that there are only a few Archangels, mentioned by the Bible (I believe seven...):Gabriel, Michael,Raphael,Uriel etc. every one of them having special fields of responsibility.
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DonGio
Promising
Famous Hero
of Clear Water Mountain Clan
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posted October 13, 2001 08:49 PM |
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CRUSADERS!!!!!
Come on, now, crusaders should be the best human(oid) unit! We need one human that is almost supernaturally good, and can battle the mightiest creatures by himself. Such a character as Conan or Lan (the barbarian and uncrowned prince of Malkier, respectively), or like Aragorn. Someone that can confirm the belief that man will excel when facing unlikely odds.
Angels are a bit too rooted in Christianity, I think.
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Carz
Hired Hero
for taming Dragons
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posted October 22, 2001 01:50 PM |
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Aren't angels and crusaders gonna be both in level 4 of Haven? Why is this topic even here?
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UnkaHaakon
Responsible
Famous Hero
happily tilting at windmills
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posted October 22, 2001 02:41 PM |
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Offtopic: Why is this thread here? Fair Question ...
It was started back on May 31, well before we knew as much as we think we know now about Heroes 4 ....
As to why it's still here ... people keep posting on it. I tend to think of it as the thread that won't die. 
And people will probably still post on it after H4 comes out. LOL ..I think it may top Kuma's Tavern someday. As long as the posts are constructive and carrying some sort of discussion forward relating to heroes 4, I'm willing to let it run on for now.
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SirDunco
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Supreme Hero
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posted October 22, 2001 03:34 PM |
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This thread ain't going to die!
I've been here a long time and one thing is for sure that this is one of the threads that just isn't going to die. See when my friend Launcelot posted it(May ,something)as Unkaa said we didn't know much about homm4. Still after about 3-4 days it wen't up to 1st place. And still this is a pool of oppinion about which is better so there is a high chance that this thread won't die.
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Carz
Hired Hero
for taming Dragons
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posted October 23, 2001 11:23 AM |
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No offense man Unka but you just posted on it yourself LOL
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Mikai
Adventuring Hero
A Wise Warrior
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posted October 23, 2001 09:47 PM |
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Edited By: Mikai on 23 Oct 2001
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Well...
...I think that the Crusader or Archangel thing has become more a matter of principles...and everyone has an opinion about this depending from which point of view one thinking of HOMM. If one is realistic may want to see only few Archangels in the game(as only a few are mentioned in the ancient scripts) which will be summoned eventualy and come in help of the humans. If one desregards realistic and loves the world of HOMM(and even more that he/she is a Town Castle fan) may wish to see hundreds of Archangels on the battle field. If one is even more realistic or a nonbeliever may not want to see the Archangels in the game at all but the Crusaders as men's ultimate warrior...
So I belive that although the Archangel and the Crusader will have the same level in HOMM 4 (I don't think I'll have the chance to see this game very soon...)the dispute will continue between the Archangel's fans and the Crusader's fans.
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Darkmyth_Miura
Adventuring Hero
£ï£DmAn Go to Hell
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posted October 24, 2001 05:39 AM |
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DEVILS ARE ANGELS. Or they used to be. Lucifer (Satan) was actually an angel that was casted down from heaven because of his rebellion against God.
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Carz
Hired Hero
for taming Dragons
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posted October 24, 2001 11:02 AM |
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Yeah but Mikai the point is that Crusaders and Archangels(Actually angels, no arch) are both gonna be lv.4 anyway, but this thread is which one should we have?.
My point is if they both are gonna be in lv.4 anyway why is this thread discussing which one should we have?
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Legolas
Tavern Dweller
The Elven Archer of the Forest
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posted October 24, 2001 01:46 PM |
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Archangels got my vote
I like the Crusader, but the Archangel is stronger.
I liked the Crusader in Homm2 and 3 and from what I have seen I think he will be as good in Homm4. Still my vote goes to the Archangel.
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Mikai
Adventuring Hero
A Wise Warrior
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posted October 24, 2001 09:29 PM |
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Edited By: Mikai on 24 Oct 2001
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Carz...
...I have noticed that that was the initial purpose of this thread but now it became the home of a more philosophical and a religion dispute because some of the players don't want to see the angels or archangels in the game at all. Some other players do not agree with the idea of having in one's army hundreds of Archangels because this does not correspond with the reality of the books or whatever. So, along with the original question "Archangel or Crusader?" (Which has been already answered in HOMM 4) it raises other questions: "Should there ever be angels or archangels in HOMM?" "Is it ok to produce a large amount of Archangels, as the ancient scripts mention only seven of them?" "What about the Fallen Angels, like Lucifer ? " etc. So, you see people around here still have some things to say.
Darkmyth_Miura...
...yes you are some part right...actually devils=demons and actually I believe that the 7th level creature of the Inferno Castle should have been the Fallen Angel wich actually was initialy an angel also who betraied God and was cast out from Heaven after a great war between Michael the Archangel (and his army of angels) and the rebel angel Lucifer (and his army of rebeled angels)...It woud have been more interesting I think...
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Carz
Hired Hero
for taming Dragons
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posted October 25, 2001 11:08 AM |
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I don't see how that is the topic; let's say an amount of people hate angels. Why wouldn't those amount say what could replace them, to show that they know they're on level 4 as well as Crusaders?
At the stage of when this thread was posted, I think the people then didn't know that there are 2 creatures for each level and thought there were only 1, but somehow knew that it's either gonna be crusader or archangel.
But now they know both are in, they shouldn't post anymore unless they got a replacement for it.
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