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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 20, 2025 03:43 PM |
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A ******* scythe is the simpliest. An effin scythe works too.
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bg
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 20, 2025 03:47 PM |
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I've got another idea. Better?
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FirePaladin
Promising
Legendary Hero
DoR Modder
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posted April 20, 2025 04:16 PM |
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1. Paladins are a concept which appears in H1 and H2 as well.
2. The Paladin in DoR is not all that inspired by the one from H5: the only overlap is the winged helmet. Most inspiration has been taken from NWC graphics. And as far as I'm concerned, it's also a little nod to King's Bounty by Katauri. At least in terms of appearing in the game, not by visuals, for it differs from that one.
3. The Dryad was made years before DoR was even a thing. There is the possibility to redesign her a bit according to new sketches, but a dryad is still a dryad at the end of the day: a floating fairy with greenish skin and plants growing on her. There is only one other graphic with some Ashan overlap in the mod, and that one, too, was made years before DoR. Otherwise, we avoid Ashan imagery.
Also, I haven't posted Erwin memes in years, and even if it had its flaws, Ashan did have some decent ideas, although many not fitting H3 (I liked the Sea Elves and more racially-diverse pirates in Ashan; although they are not fitting very much for H3).
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Enshackling time itself, heralds of the Ancients among their heat-depleted land.... Who could they be, who could rally the beings of the East and the North and control the mortals' fate?
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bg
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 20, 2025 04:24 PM |
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Are you planning to keep the winged helmet?
You have to simplify this model because it has too many details. She looks like a salad, and you don't know what is what
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LordCameron
Famous Hero
Veteran of the Succession Wars
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posted April 20, 2025 05:27 PM |
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DoR guys are doing this because they want to and because they want to share. I'm pretty sure your "harsh criticism" is how you get secretive mod projects which never come to light; it borders on entitlement for a free project.
When the product is paid for you can tell the company "unless you do this, I won't buy it", but that doesn't work with something like this and shouldn't.
Again, look at Morton for how to be constructive without being entitled.
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bg
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 20, 2025 05:49 PM |
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Edited by bg at 18:05, 20 Apr 2025.
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I wouldn't have a problem paying for a mod. So the “it's free” argument doesn't appeal to me.
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Again, look at Morton for how to be constructive without being entitled.
Unfortunately, I can't speak English as well as he can. Either way, I think the Driad is currently their worst creautre graphic. Tell me honestly: do you like how this unit looks?
Also, I remember when they were making the Tides of War mod. Back then, there were also many "always positive" people on the forums who praised everything they did. And then none of these people ever played their mod.
I, at least, play the mods that I like. Many other people just comment positively on the Internet. And then, after the release, they don't play at all and don't give a damn.
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Rimgrabber
Promising
Famous Hero
Voice in Gelu's Head
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posted April 20, 2025 06:00 PM |
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I think the dryad is cool and I like how detailed it is, for what it's worth.
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bg
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 20, 2025 06:04 PM |
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And do you like Heroes from Ubisoft? Which game looks nicer to you: Heroes 3 or Heroes 5?
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Rimgrabber
Promising
Famous Hero
Voice in Gelu's Head
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posted April 20, 2025 06:39 PM |
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Depends on the creature or map object in question. Generally I think the 2D art style is better but there are some designs from the Ubisoft games I really like. I think the H5 pixie/sprite/dryad is more interesting than the H3 one, for example.
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bg
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 20, 2025 06:55 PM |
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Edited by bg at 18:56, 20 Apr 2025.
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This Driad has been in the ToW modification for 9 years. If you like her so much, tell me how many hours have you played the ToW?
I can say that I played for half an hour. Some of the graphics looked like they were from Ashan (the Dryan and the upgraded Paladin) and the concept of alternative units was bad and in my opinion does not fit Heroes 3. So I didn't like either the gameplay or some of their graphics.
People who think otherwise can write about their opinion of the ToW mod. Why aren't you playing the ToW mod?
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Rimgrabber
Promising
Famous Hero
Voice in Gelu's Head
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posted April 20, 2025 06:59 PM |
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Dude chill out all I said was I like the Dryad design
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bg
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 20, 2025 07:04 PM |
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And it is such people who always comment positively. He will look at the graphic for a minute, make a comment and instantly forget about it. And he will never play the mod.
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Nephretes
Promising
Known Hero
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posted April 20, 2025 07:09 PM |
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ToW was good for what it was at that time. I do agree that some models were too flashy and overdetailed. As an author of some of these creatures I admit it was my personal tendency to overcomplicate.
Anyway this should not be the case with DoR.
Btw speaking about dryad H5 salads (that´s some funny comparision) i did have an attempt on recreating it one day 
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Rimgrabber
Promising
Famous Hero
Voice in Gelu's Head
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posted April 20, 2025 07:09 PM |
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I haven't played ToW (I don't think so anyway, I don't recognize the acronym) but I'm definitely planning on playing this one. I even wrote some of the cutescenes for it.
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bg
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 20, 2025 07:17 PM |
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Edited by bg at 19:37, 20 Apr 2025.
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She looks much clearer. The shape of the ears is still from Ashan:
Also, I would remove the flowers in her hair (or leave only one big one) and the spheres of light. But it's a good direction. I hope you will change this model in the final version. Simpler = better.
See how the Seaman from HotA has one big earring:
By the fact that it is big, it is distinct and clear in H3 resolution.
If the Driad had one large flower instead of many small ones, it too would be distinct.
But NWC artists made the same mistake in the Sprite's graphic:
Do you see any flowers here? No? So now look at the big render:
They are completely invisible in H3 resolution. I think that many players don't even know that Sprite has any flowers.
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LordCameron
Famous Hero
Veteran of the Succession Wars
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posted April 20, 2025 08:07 PM |
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bg said:
Also, I would remove the flowers in her hair (or leave only one big one) and the spheres of light. But it's a good direction. I hope you will change this model in the final version. Simpler = better.
See how the Seaman from HotA has one big earring:
By the fact that it is big, it is distinct and clear in H3 resolution.
If the Driad had one large flower instead of many small ones, it too would be distinct.
But NWC artists made the same mistake in the Sprite's graphic:
See you just proved you can do Morton style critique! 
I think you are correct here. I like the Sprite's design, but it would be interesting to see what she would look like with your improvements. I tend to be be against overcomplicating as a rule. I prefer Warhammer before 5th edition and Heroes II. Warcraft was a disaster to design everywhere 
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DarkAtom
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 20, 2025 09:53 PM |
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Edited by DarkAtom at 21:54, 20 Apr 2025.
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I'm struggling to understand your argument @bg. The Dryad (and a lot of other graphical assets in ToW) is fine, what's wrong with it? The main catch with ToW is that it's very small content-wise and has some unfinished/unpolished parts (some animations feel choppy, sounds are very generic etc). However, the models used look wonderful (maybe not HotA quality, but still very impressive). Also, most new creatures do fit very well with H3 (although I feel some alts are in the wrong town, such as the Dungeon alt).
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Many other people just comment positively on the Internet. And then, after the release, they don't play at all and don't give a damn.
That isn't what's happening, or at least I don't believe that's the case for the majority of players. People who follow a mod's development do try it when it gets released. However, when the gameplay doesn't match the expectations created by the screenshots (as is the case with many mods), people will leave it. It's not a graphical issue - people usually don't get interested when they see screenshots that don't look good in the first place. The problem is that most mods don't provide the polished gameplay and bug-free experience (let alone game balance) you expect when you look at those screenshots. They release "unfinished" and they unfortunately rarely exit that state.
Personally, I don't have any reason to believe that DoR will be unpolished or unfinished, given that people like Paul Romero are involved in it.
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I wouldn't have a problem paying for a mod.
Probably illegal to make such a mod. There was a mod which required payment - it was called the Rekvizit mod (taken down since then, but others released the content for free as AntiRekvizit mod). I invite you to Google it and check how "nice" its graphics were.
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Do you see any flowers here?
Keep in mind that this game was not meant to be played with HD mod. If you set your HD mod to 800x600, you can quite clearly see the flowers. I do agree with you that new graphics should be designed with HD mod in mind.
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bg
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 20, 2025 10:05 PM |
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The Dryad (and a lot of other graphical assets in ToW) is fine, what's wrong with it?
In my opinion, it looks like a model from H5 and not from H3.
Compare her to the original Rampart units and HotA's Leprechaun:
   
Don't you see the over-detailing? The original models were very simple.
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DarkAtom
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 20, 2025 10:34 PM |
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Edited by DarkAtom at 22:41, 20 Apr 2025.
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Indeed those units are very simple, but there are more complex ones too such as Orc (this one truly is overcomplicated imo, and it's nice that HotA made a better version) or Nymph. The Nymph in particular has a surprising amount of detail, but people usually dismiss all of it because it's basically just water. I could definitely get used to the Dryad like I am used to HotA creatures (unlike, say, WoG creatures). As for art style, I definitely don't see this fitting anywhere in H5, if you were to make it 3D. It fits quite well in H3 (now that I think about it, might fit even better in H4).
EDIT: Now that I look at it again, the non-upgraded version might fit in H5 with some slight modifications, but still...
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bg
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 20, 2025 11:27 PM |
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I keep wondering about this. Maybe the problem is the lack of contrast between the green hair and the green skin? And the leaves on her bra?
How about simplifying her bra, darkening her hair and experimenting with her skin tone?
  
I'm not a graphic designer but I type hair color as the biggest problem.
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