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posted July 20, 2007 02:47 PM |
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me too, and for gays adopting kids either.
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posted July 20, 2007 02:52 PM |
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me too, and for gays adopting kids either.
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posted July 20, 2007 03:01 PM |
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I will not vote for gay marriages ever.
Why not? Think of the situation in reverse: what if you had a relationship with your wife, but only homosexual marriage would be permitted. And then some gay guy online said, "I will not vote for straight marriages ever." How would you feel? There's nothing wrong with gay marriages.
Except for one thing: churches might not want to marry gays. And the government can't force them to. Solution: civil ceremony and civil union.
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posted July 20, 2007 06:31 PM |
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I will not vote for gay marriages ever.
Of coarse not, it would go against everything that you believe in. The fact is, you vote however you wish but, it is inevitable that gays will be able to marry in any state soon enough. So there is a small group of you left that has their eyes wide shut, that small groups mentality will parish soon as well, at least this is my hope. Let them join hands and hearts as we do, and let them enjoy the same things we do as married couples, LOVE.
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posted July 20, 2007 07:48 PM |
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Question: If they were to get married in Alaska or somewhere that allows gay mairagess, and then move to Texas or wherever, would it still be valid?
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posted July 20, 2007 08:01 PM |
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No, the new state would not recognize the marriage. You'd be treated (for tax, insurance, etc., purposes) as singles.
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posted July 20, 2007 10:42 PM |
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whats wrong with merrid gay people,what do you care? and against adopting childern?
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posted July 20, 2007 10:46 PM |
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Children should have both a mother and a father as role models. This is why we do not allow widows to take care of children.
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posted July 20, 2007 11:26 PM |
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What? If a husband dies, the wife can certainly raise the children.
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posted July 20, 2007 11:37 PM |
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Children should have both a mother and a father as role models. This is why we do not allow widows to take care of children.
were did u heard that nonesences.?
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posted July 20, 2007 11:42 PM |
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That was sarcasm, sorry I should have said.
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posted July 20, 2007 11:47 PM |
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Shadey seems to contradict himself when it suits him. Are we sure he's a Biologist and not a Lawyer?
Oh hell as I have read through the last few pages of this I just want to reach through the screen and throttle a certain person.
He completely contradicts himself and personally, right now, I am of the opinion that Mister Man is some fat bald guy, that is sitting on a computer somewhere in BFE scratching himself and farting at intervals wondering where next to spew his rampant mouth diarrhea.
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You love to throw the word bigot around don't you. Christ is bigoted against the devil, is Christ a bad person? I'm bigoted against the concept of rape as well. Do you think rape is ok? Clearly in your mind anyone who stands up for themselves on an issue is a bigot...
No, GC was only pointing out what you are making yourself look like. Matter of fact you have done exactly that more times than I care to even keep count of anymore.
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Your post has so many holes in it I can't believe you hit the Submit Reply button.
Oh wow, did YOU just really SAY THAT?!?!?!
Speak for yourself there buddy.
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3. It really isn't funny to me that your sect ordains homosexuals as pastors. That of course is the right of your sect and it's members to participate in that practice. I won't withhold my love from you..
Please refrain from sharing your particular brand of "love" with people will you?...
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bigotry bad, acceptance good.
I guess I can only assume that you participate and enjoy rape, murder, stealing, assualt, genocide, and torture. Otherwise, you would be a bigot.
Keep talking like that about people I know and watch what happens.
People like you make me want to scream.
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posted July 20, 2007 11:56 PM |
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Oh...and why IS that Consis and the guy below you for that matter saying they shouldnt be allowed to adopt (but surprise surprise they already DO and I think some of them are BETTER parents who teach tolerance and acceptance, 2 things the world reaaly NEEDS MORE of)?
I hope for your sake Consis that NONE of your kids ever discovers they are gay, because if the things you have said here are any indication, I believe you'd treat them like sub par people, you would oust them from your life like a disease, and not allow them to be happy BECAUSE they were gay, and that is sad.
I want to now how a gay, ANY gay, being married or having kids has ANY bearing on YOUR life whatsoever?
Why it MATTERS to YOU at all?
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posted July 21, 2007 12:00 AM |
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PEOPLE OF HC,why do we bother? its not like he is gona change,again like i told set,he wont change not even if a gay orgy memmber of devil cult,saves hes life couple of times..
he will never admit mistakes,and he wont change,he wont think out of box,he is not an indepent thinker. Infect,most of indepent thinkers are atheists,but not all,those who are too religouse,are called,as i said it,sheeps,
so shady:
MEEEH!!!
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posted July 21, 2007 12:05 AM |
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Children should have both a mother and a father as role models. This is why we do not allow widows to take care of children.
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posted July 21, 2007 12:13 AM |
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Question: If they were to get married in Alaska or somewhere that allows gay mairagess, and then move to Texas or wherever, would it still be valid?
To expand on what Corribus said, in 1996 president Clinton signed into law the Defense of Marriage Act. Normally, things like marriage and drivers licenses from one state are respected in another state because of, among other things, Article IV, section I of the U.S. constitution. Key words there are Full Faith and Credit.
Defense of Marriage Act explicitly says that states do not have to honor gay marriages given in other states. It seems to be a backhanded amendment to the constitution where states no longer have to give Full Faith and Credit to each other. Look for serious constitutional challenges to that law in the future, if they haven't happened already.
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I will not vote for gay marriages ever.
Dare I ask why? There is supposed to be a separation of church and state. There is a legal aspect and a religious/moral aspect to this issue. Best not to get them mixed up.
In the case of the state's obligations, there is no respectable reason why gay marriages should not be allowed. Gay couples who wish to marry should have every advantage that hetero married couples enjoy. They should enjoy all the tax breaks, etc. If a gay partner dies the other partner has every right to claim their body and not have to suffer the indignity of not being a so-called next of kin. Gay couples should be allowed to get the benefits of health insurance that employers offer for married couples. Why not?
Many people seem to be in favor of civil unions for gay couples and not necessarily marriage. I was once one of those proponents. It took me listening to Carol Mosley Braun during her short-lived candidacy for the '04 election to reconsider my position. She made a very good point. We've already tried separate but equal. It doesn't work. More importantly, it isn't right.
And as for preventing gay couples from adopting children, shame on all of you who believe that. First of all, let's dispel some archaic notions here. Having gay parents doesn't make one gay. Gay men aren't necessarily pedophiles.
Having two loving parents, regardless of whether or not they're the same sex, is infinitely better to living in foster care or group homes run by the state. Let them adopt, I say. Let them help care for the unwanted young in this world and teach just a little bit more love and tolerance.
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posted July 21, 2007 12:35 AM |
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Many people seem to be in favor of civil unions for gay couples and not necessarily marriage. I was once one of those proponents. It took me listening to Carol Mosley Braun during her short-lived candidacy during '04 to reconsider my position. She made a very good point. We've already tried separate but equal. It doesn't work. More importantly, it isn't right.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a marriage a civil union plus a church ceremony? And governments can do the civil union part, but they can't force the churches to have gay weddings.
I agree with everything else you said, though.
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Funny you should mention it. My wife's former boss was a lesbian and was "married" (I put it in quotes because I'm not sure what their legal status is) to another woman. Together they have two children through IVF.
And I have to say that they are much better parents to their two little girls than many heterosexual married couples that I have observed. Because of the way society is, their children will probably ever be burdened to some degree by having homosexual parents, but certainly what is most important is that they are growing up in a loving household, and the sexual orientation of the parents has no impact whatosever on that. So, however I may privately feel about homosexuality, I've seen proof that homosexual parents can be just as good at raising children as heterosexual ones - and on average probably even better, because homosexual couples can't have children "by accident" - and so I see no good reason why homosexual couples should not be married if they want to be, or raise children if they want to do so.
Even if I hadn't seen that proof, the very fact that it has no bearing on my life is reason enough to hold this belief. Why SHOULD I care? Because it "offends God"? Pbbbbt... give me a break. If it really offends God, then leave it to God to take care of it, and live your life and let others live theirs.
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Even if I hadn't seen that proof, the very fact that it has no bearing on my life is reason enough to hold this belief. Why SHOULD I care? Because it "offends God"? Pbbbbt... give me a break. If it really offends God, then leave it to God to take care of it, and live your life and let others live theirs.
See god can get offended all he wants... God does not vote, he does not affect commerce positively or negatively, god does not own a home or pay taxes, god never attended our schools, god never donated towards any government, So if god gets offended i dont care... the question is why do all of these people..... vote FOR someone who does none of these things? Bottom line people shouldn't base their decisions on what god thinks, this is about basic rights. People should be voting on these things based on human rights not on a being who isn't apart of our working system. The system we use gets completely cheapened when people vote based on how they think god will want them to.
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posted July 21, 2007 10:38 AM |
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I will not vote for gay marriages ever.
Dare I ask why? There is supposed to be a separation of church and state. There is a legal aspect and a religious/moral aspect to this issue. Best not to get them mixed up.
In the case of the state's obligations, there is no respectable reason why gay marriages should not be allowed. Gay couples who wish to marry should have every advantage that hetero married couples enjoy. They should enjoy all the tax breaks, etc. If a gay partner dies the other partner has every right to claim their body and not have to suffer the indignity of not being a so-called next of kin. Gay couples should be allowed to get the benefits of health insurance that employers offer for married couples. Why not?
Many people seem to be in favor of civil unions for gay couples and not necessarily marriage. I was once one of those proponents. It took me listening to Carol Mosley Braun during her short-lived candidacy for the '04 election to reconsider my position. She made a very good point. We've already tried separate but equal. It doesn't work. More importantly, it isn't right.
And as for preventing gay couples from adopting children, shame on all of you who believe that. First of all, let's dispel some archaic notions here. Having gay parents doesn't make one gay. Gay men aren't necessarily pedophiles.
Having two loving parents, regardless of whether or not they're the same sex, is infinitely better to living in foster care or group homes run by the state. Let them adopt, I say. Let them help care for the unwanted young in this world and teach just a little bit more love and tolerance.
That was an admirably concise post, and I agree 100 % to all of it!
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