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Thread: Strongest Town & Weakest Town in HOMM3 This thread is 34 pages long: 1 10 20 ... 25 26 27 28 29 ... 30 34 · «PREV / NEXT»
fred79
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posted May 29, 2016 03:37 AM

nope. dead wrong. for starters, you typed "Gnoll Maraduer", when it is actually the "Gnoll Marauder". and that's just for starters.

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Ebonheart
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posted May 29, 2016 08:40 AM

Anil said:
true. %100 Not correct.

There now you are correct Anil. =)

Frankly speaking, give me a PM and I will take 1h off my time to teach you how this multiplayer and town ratings actually work and even for you how to play single player in a multiplayer manner, so we can avoid these kind of posts in the future.

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Anil
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posted May 29, 2016 02:57 PM

1 hour is little. I prefer large maps. My analysis is very ordinary, %90 people thinks same with me (Except Necropolis. I think this town is average)

Your analyis is too unorthodox. Can you prove your town rating analys? You can send me your load game? Plese I really wonder, how Dungeon and Castle are below average towns on your rating? How Inferno is above-average town? That's too absurd.

I wonder for complete (SoD-Armageddon's Blade) version. I have never tried unoffical expansions.
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frostymuaddib
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posted May 29, 2016 03:11 PM

Anil said:
How Inferno is above-average town? That's too absurd.


Have you ever heard about demon farming in Inferno?
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EnergyZ
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posted May 29, 2016 03:14 PM
Edited by EnergyZ at 15:15, 29 May 2016.

fred79 said:
Nope. Dead wrong. For starters, you typed "Gnoll Maraduer", when it is actually the "Gnoll Marauder". And that's just for starters.


Fixed that for you. Since we are talking about typing wrong characters.
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Anil
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posted May 29, 2016 03:17 PM

frostymuaddib said:
Anil said:
How Inferno is above-average town? That's too absurd.


Have you ever heard about demon farming in Inferno?


Demon Farming is pretty useless. Because this is trade HP by HP. I prefer Necromancy. You need a lot of Pit Lord also you should protect them. Pit Lords are very expensive and vulnerable. Demons are worst lvl 4. Demon farming is only a bit useful in Large maps with diplomacy.
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OhforfSake
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posted May 29, 2016 03:53 PM

Demon farming definitely isn't the end all be all, but it doesn't change you underestimate it a lot if you think transferring hp from several stacks into 1 is "pretty useless".

Alternatively you can try to test how many demons it take to overpower a level 7 stack, then calculate how many extra units you've to convert to practically have 2 power stacks of level 7 quality.

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Ebonheart
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posted May 29, 2016 05:29 PM

Anil said:
1 hour is little. I prefer large maps.

I meant that I can give you 1 hour of my time to either sit down and talk about this or write to you in detail how to play as in multiplayer and why it will give you a new perspective on town ratings.
Anil said:
My analysis is very ordinary, %90 people thinks same with me (Except Necropolis. I think this town is average
Ordinary is the word because 90% of all players who come here for the first time has only experienced single player.

Anil said:
Your analyis is too unorthodox. Can you prove your town rating analys? You can send me your load game? Plese I really wonder, how Dungeon and Castle are below average towns on your rating?

I think the best way for me to prove my analysis is to simply battle you. But sure, I can send some load games, do you want them from M1W1D1 - the end or only the final result (pics before an end battle)?

Anil said:
I wonder for complete (SoD-Armageddon's Blade) version. I have never tried unoffical expansions.
Demon Farming is pretty useless. Because this is trade HP by HP. I prefer Necromancy. You need a lot of Pit Lord also you should protect them. Pit Lords are very expensive and vulnerable. Demons are worst lvl 4. Demon farming is only a bit useful in Large maps with diplomacy. How Inferno is above-average town? That's too absurd.

Demon farming is viable no matter the expansion, the reason is the same as for necromancy - numbers. Pit Lords are costly but you only need 7 to raise 350 hp (10 demons). Seeing as you only get 1 demon per 35 hp, having more than 7 is normally pointless when raising because it is unlikely you will have a stack with more than 350 hp. Let alone the fact it is far better to sacrifice units used for bait instead of one big stack in one battle.

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fred79
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posted May 29, 2016 05:48 PM

EnergyZ said:
fred79 said:
Nope. Dead wrong. For starters, you typed "Gnoll Maraduer", when it is actually the "Gnoll Marauder". And that's just for starters.


Fixed that for you. Since we are talking about typing wrong characters.


and you think i'm being serious. got you, too.

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Anil
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posted May 29, 2016 05:52 PM

Please send me some your load games.
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EnergyZ
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posted May 29, 2016 05:56 PM

fred79 said:
EnergyZ said:
fred79 said:
Nope. Dead wrong. For starters, you typed "Gnoll Maraduer", when it is actually the "Gnoll Marauder". And that's just for starters.


Fixed that for you. Since we are talking about typing wrong characters.


and you think i'm being serious. got you, too.


Unlike you, I at least try to write correctly.

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fred79
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posted May 29, 2016 05:57 PM

EnergyZ said:
Unlike you, I at least try to write correctly.


inspire me to care, why don't you.

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EnergyZ
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posted May 29, 2016 06:07 PM

I at least develop my knowledge of English and do not write in a derogatory language, which is filled with voided words that do not even have a proper meaning.

But this isn't even the proper thread to speak of such things, so I'll be leaving, because that's a wiser thing to do than simply try to fool other people.

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fred79
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posted May 29, 2016 07:32 PM

try the decaf. it'll work wonders on your nerves.


and, to stay on topic: necropolis rules.

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Anil
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posted June 06, 2016 01:06 AM

Last day I maked some stats about of this game. It was hard for me because the number of creatures production is very diffeent than each other. Also some creatures have specific abilities. And all creatures have different costs etc. I took into all consideration (jousting,rebirth,multi-attack,breath attack, no enemy retaliation, no hand to hand penalty etc.). I took some averages (except Necropolis because Necropolis's stats aren't constant, i coudn't regule Vampire Lords and Necromancy)        

     Castle Stronghold Rampart Inferno Dungeon Conflux Tower Fortress

Att.   139     138        120    118    112      105     95     94

Def.   96      67         95     98     104      110     103    129  

Dmg.   97      67         87     69     71       90       75     74        

HP    370      338       378     300    318      380     344     327    

Sp.  8.57      7.57      8.7     9.14    8.71    9.57      8     7.71

Cost. 4225     3512      3509    4012    3900    3507     4400   3805

I can explain how could i find this numbers if you want.

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Ebonheart
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posted June 06, 2016 07:46 AM
Edited by Ebonheart at 07:48, 06 Jun 2016.

You still do not understand this do you? What you are doing is the same thing a bulky guy does when he trains hoping to get strong in a fight. He focuses so much on muscles and power but forgets that it's not going to get him anywhere if his foe as any sort of speed.

You seem to think that you can tell which town is best the same way, but all you have managed to do is to slam together a couple of numbers, and there's nothing special about that.
You forget a lot of things, so I will just name a few of them: that dwellings on the map increase creature population of X creature by 1 per dwelling in the town. That not all towns can build all dwellings + castle in 1 week. That a player can ditch weaker creatures like Gargoyles for instance, in trade for Wyverns/Angels from the map or how each town will perform on the map.

I shall send you some games if you only tell me what it is you want, a full game from Month 1, Week 1, Day 1 - End battle or just a picture of my units etc at the End battle day?

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Anil
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posted June 06, 2016 02:03 PM

I didn't take into account about of maps,artifacts. Because these are random, i can't regule them. In normally some artifacts are more imtortant than which town did you choose. All results has ended as I expected -except Dungeon- I believed Dungeon is 3.rd best town but looks like this is not true. Rampart is better than Dungeon. But Dungeon is definitely better than Tower.


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Ebonheart
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posted June 06, 2016 08:08 PM
Edited by Ebonheart at 20:20, 06 Jun 2016.

Even if you do not take the map into account, there are still a lot of differences between the towns, so numbers only gives a small glimpse of how it could be.

Dungeon vs Tower. I have run several battles with different heroes, magics, artefacts, negative/positive morale/luck etc over the years and the results are displayed below. Please note that I do not claim these numbers is universal for all fights. They are simply the numbers I have gained from doing my battles with 0 stat heroes - 30 attack/15 defense etc over the years.

T vs D -Wyverns/Angels present in 50% of the fights, equal unit distribution on both sides-(Battle results (total (300)): 247 - 53.
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T vs D (Battle results (SoO: Orb of inhibition (20)): 20 - 0.
T vs D (Battle results (SoO: Orb of inhibition + Golden Bow 2x (20)): 20 - 0.
T vs D (Battle results (SoO: Earth Magic only (50)): 42 - 8.
T vs D (Battle results (SoO: Air Magic only (50)): 38 - 12.
T vs D (Battle results (SoO: Earth and Air Magic (100)): 82 - 18.
T vs D (Battle results (SoO: Recanter's Cloak FFA Magic (20)): 17 - 3.
T vs D (Battle results (SoO: RoB:T = - / D = + (20)): 8 - 12.
T vs D (Battle results (SoO: RoB:T = + / D = - (20)): 20 - 0.
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T vs D (lv 7 vs lv 7 (SoO: ( 0 stats): 1x Titan, Black Dragon (10)): 6 - 4.
T vs D (lv 7 vs lv 7 (SoO: ( 0 stats): 5x Titan, Black Dragon (10)): 0 - 10
T vs D (lv 7 vs lv 7 (SoO: ( 0 stats): 9x Titan, Black Dragon (10)): 10 - 0
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I state it once again, these are just the results from premade battles and I do not claim that they represent a universal value.
Edit: Trying to sort the lines, they are messing the numbers up sigh.
Edit: Fixed it I think, it gets wierd when the lines in the word document gets posted here.

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Anil
Anil


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posted June 06, 2016 10:53 PM

Hard to regulation to artifacts, I dont know how can i regule artifacts and Necropolis (i think that's impossible to regule Necromancy, Vampire Lord and Aging)

But statistically Conflux is easily the best town. Conflux could be medicore town without double phoenix growth rate . Water magic is very useful for this town. Clone to Phenixies and get high morale and rush to enemy, very deadly.

Also castle is very strong in rich maps and if u have Lord Haart. Amazing potential of damage-attack. Very good town.

Otherwise i think Dungeon,Tower,Fortress,Stronghold powers are very similiar. This towns looks like have good balance.
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Salamandre
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posted June 06, 2016 11:11 PM

Lord Haart is:

a) impossible to get by normal means
b) worthless unless you hack the map and he gets 6000 levels (there are some chinese maps with such monster).  

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