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Thread: Towns you feel... uncomfortable with. This thread is 16 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 · «PREV / NEXT»
angelito
angelito


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posted May 13, 2009 08:11 AM

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With tower I can use Solmyr, his CL can blast many monster guard early in the game.
But Inferno? No decent hero and was difficult to play
Ouch
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xlnt
xlnt


Known Hero
posted May 13, 2009 08:37 AM

I admit i haven't played a lot of games as inferno - i haven't thought of early topia battles a lot. So i don't really know how much the dragons prefer to strike at the pit lords. I have noticed the AI tries to get at them, but in a regular map fight the AI stands little chance. I guess there is a trick and a correct number of pit lords vs gogs that does the trick and if i had to i would've risked it - to go into the topia with the mentioned tactic i.e. 2 x 15 gogs and all pit lords. or if i felt strong i wouldn't take the pit lords in.

If someone feels like it - please post a good inferno topia battle!

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Padzonk
Padzonk

Tavern Dweller
posted May 13, 2009 12:46 PM

As for me i hate/dont like/cant play Necropolis and their main force - legion of skeletons.

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pacifist
pacifist


Famous Hero
posted May 13, 2009 03:34 PM

Well, it depends how large are the stacks . If there are enough pit lords to kill a dragon in retaliation they will probably look for another target . Lead them by Crag Hack or Gundula and it's even worse. Stats of hero are primordial here, a good defense is also interesting to preserve the pit lords or a simple shield spell. Shield + armorer skill is a bless in those fights.

It could be interesting to find the minimum normal army (from 1 town, not hives and conservatories) to defeat the different utopias with not much casualties. Of course preferable with low-level spells (no resurrection, force field, etc).
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zsa
zsa


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posted May 13, 2009 03:34 PM

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"And I don't need to know, fortress units are mostly slow save for the dragon fly, usually the combat is started by the opponent, tactic phase (I usually have that skill) - mass slow, and the opponents army will be crippled by the end of round 1. "

Both players will go for tactics when fortress is involved and massslow only wont do you much good if the opponent has mass haste. Mass haste is key for fortress and will give you a very powerfull attack.



Fortress is one of the few towns where i do take water magic if offered to my beastmaster. While a mass haste would be lovely with fortress I sometimes don't get the skill in time so I go with water magic if offered first.

Due to many slow units (4 out of the 6) if you don't have either tactics or mass haste you're in pretty bad shape.

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liophy
liophy


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Bulgarian
posted May 13, 2009 04:22 PM

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Due to many slow units (4 out of the 6)


Out of 6? Which one is so useless that you dont even count it

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zsa
zsa


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posted May 13, 2009 04:29 PM

The lizards
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liophy
liophy


Famous Hero
Bulgarian
posted May 13, 2009 04:51 PM

Well... they are certainly not the most famos shooters, but its surprising what importance they may have.

1. Due to the fact they are level 2, it means you can get them from villages. There a lot of templetes, that you have same town alighment in your area (without fort).

2. Because they are level 2, you get more lizards from your heroes each week. And its not rare to have dwelling.

So, if you can keep your lizards, you may have a healthy bunch of them in final battle. Because they have uncharacteristicly big defence for a shooter, they become pretty tough in shooting battle against the enemy shooters.

And its important to have considareble group of shooters in endfight for a strategical reason. Even if you are outshoot, the enemy will remain with less or almost no shooters. This allows you not to go nececerily toward him.

If you are totaly outshooted, you just have to go for him. And this is not the best scenario for an endfight.

Remember, half of the games Red Orb is present or for some reason you dont have mass haste.

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zsa
zsa


Famous Hero
posted May 13, 2009 05:06 PM

I know they're important especially in the beginning for creeping purposes. But as time goes on they're usually the least important unit from a full fortress army. No nifty ability, crappy damage. The lizards are better suited for tanking than for shooting. You will be outmatched most of the time, and even if you aren't, fortress' strength is in its walkers and wyverns. That's what you have to make effective use of.

The opponent won't engage your lizards in a shooting war anyway. He'll most likely go for the damage dealers and the dangerous fortress units (gorgs, hydras). I'm not saying they're completely useless, but you go for tactics and haste for the other 6 units, not for the lizards.

Red orb appearing in half the games is purely a template choice issue. If you play maps with 5 dragon utopias on it and filled with relics,  then sure, somebody will probably get it.


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liophy
liophy


Famous Hero
Bulgarian
posted May 13, 2009 05:12 PM

Its kind of contradiction. If map is long and rich enough to build big army of high level and to have enough hives present... there is pretty high chanse of red orb.

But there is a lot of relatively poor and fast maps.

Lets take Balance for example. Unless someone break into hive zone, its pretty common to fight week 2 without level 7 army. Or at most 3 hydras/behemots not upgraded offcourse.

Be sure, that in such scenario shooting is important.

Offcourse, i am not saying that the lizards are the main force for fortress. Not even near to it. I am just saying, that they have their importance. At least in half of the maps.

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xlnt
xlnt


Known Hero
posted May 14, 2009 09:38 AM

And they make excellent decoys - i almost love it when AI chooses to strike at my Lizardmen : )
The real issue is when to upgrade them on which template. I tend to go for other upgrades first and sometimes there simply is no time to upgrade the lizards.

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zsa
zsa


Famous Hero
posted May 14, 2009 02:57 PM

Depends on the map and on how many you have.
It's a very good upgrade in my opinion, it increases their firepower by 40%. However, in reality, it only makes a really sucky unit better, but still sucky

It's not a priority upgrade, always go for the hydras, moos, wyverns and basiliks first. Dragon flies is not even an issue, you need that speed.


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looom
looom


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Flying High
posted May 15, 2009 02:16 PM

Oh wow, how wrong I was, I tried out a few games with fortress and I was surprised how good it is really lol  

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ihor
ihor


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Accidental Hero
posted May 15, 2009 05:59 PM

There are no bad town
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Evasion
Evasion


Famous Hero
Groovy!
posted May 15, 2009 06:03 PM

I don't like the conflux because of its overpoweredness
The same with Necro

And fortress is the most underpowered town ever.

So.. these three... I hate 'em!
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looom
looom


Adventuring Hero
Flying High
posted May 15, 2009 06:44 PM

With this TE necro nerf it is pretty tolerable.
Conflux, I admit I have NEVER played conflux..ever. And i probably won't.

But Fortress, well, it is not as weak as it might seem to you. I was surprised also.

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darmo
darmo


Known Hero
True Gentleman
posted May 16, 2009 04:29 AM

@Angelito
Is Solmyr is that bad? I love to play Tower and Solmyr against my friend in hot seat game. He use Deemer.
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angelito
angelito


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posted May 16, 2009 07:38 AM
Edited by angelito at 07:41, 16 May 2009.

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@Angelito
Is Solmyr is that bad? I love to play Tower and Solmyr against my friend in hot seat game. He use Deemer.
Yes, Solmyr is bad. Don't get missleaded by his soooo usefull chainlightning. You cast it once, and then you need to refill mana. And he won't get all the good and helpfull secondary skills like Logistics, Offense, Armorer, Tactics that easy, because magic heroes like him (and Deemer of course) tend to get offered magic related skills (or those more or less non usefull 2ndary skills) like Sorcery, Mysticism, Learning, Eagle Eye, Scholar, Intelligence and so on.

Try to find some threads here in the library (Table of Contest helps a lot) refering to Might or Magic heroes. You will learn a lot.

And only because you start with Tower doesn't mean you have to use a Tower hero as main. Just take a look in the tavern (every now and then) and try to find a better hero.

And after you have read those, you will kill your friend on hot seat with a good might hero (preferable a barbarian) without a doubt..
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tmacv
tmacv


Hired Hero
posted May 16, 2009 07:29 PM

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@Angelito
Is Solmyr is that bad? I love to play Tower and Solmyr against my friend in hot seat game. He use Deemer.


Use Orrin for fun

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SwampLord
SwampLord


Supreme Hero
Lord of the Swamp
posted May 16, 2009 11:45 PM

Solymr is a big wussie, use Crag Hack or Tazar. Now we're talking men.
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