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posted November 20, 2008 04:59 PM |
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Well, to my view, if you make the normal police a "secret" police, nothing will enforce law in the streets, if the secret police would walk in the streets with batons, they wouldn't be secret anymore 
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posted November 20, 2008 05:01 PM |
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And that's the point. There will be no more police to enforce law on the streets, but there will be some special 'spies' to get rid of anti-government traitors
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posted November 20, 2008 05:06 PM |
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Well, have fun with the instant armed rebellion, now im sure I have weapon deals to make when you accept the third option
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posted November 20, 2008 05:11 PM |
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Chaotic Rulers do not represent the people at all.
Neutrals don't oppress with powers when someone disagrees with them.
Simple mathematical rule, nothing "special":
Good->helps
Neutral->tolerates but ignores
Evil->oppresses
See?
Lawful->Organizes and favors collectivism
Chaotic->Favors individualism and PERSONAL freedom (read: personal, otherwise it's collective)
Simple combination:
Chaotic Good->helps others have personal freedom
Chaotic Neutral->wants to increase his/her freedom but doesn't oppress others' freedom
Chaotic Evil->wants freedom and wants to oppress others' freedom
of course that's just the basic system of a government
where would communists be? I guess Left-wing tends to Lawful (collectivism) while Right-wing to Chaotic (individualism & personal freedom)
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posted November 20, 2008 08:46 PM |
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Ok now I have that language issue in NS 1.
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posted November 20, 2008 08:57 PM |
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What language issue?
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posted November 20, 2008 09:09 PM |
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The one mvass had a while back.
1) Ban the minority's language.
2) Accept it (and also typo out every instruction manual for the products in both languages)
3) Make a new one that all will accept.
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posted November 20, 2008 09:39 PM |
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ROFLMAO another issue about the people in nearby "poorer" countries want Skama to aid them LOOL... seems they don't give me a break
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International Community Comes Doorknocking
The Issue
The international community has appealed to Skama to increase humanitarian aid to the world's poorer nations.
The Debate
1. "We must increase foreign aid," says beaded local peace activist Randy Fellow. "Compared to some of these nations, Skama is swimming in pwns. Let's face it, not every nation in the world is lucky enough to have a government like ours. Let's show some compassion to our less economically gifted neighbors."
2. "Talk about a way to flush pwns straight down the toilet," argues Think Tank member Buffy Steele. "What I've noticed is that whenever we do give something, it's never enough: a few years later they're back asking for more. The best way to help these poor nations is to stop shielding them from the logical consequences of their idiotic, long-debunked socialist economic policies."
3. "Relief wouldn't hurt us... if we 'relieved' the right countries," suggests government advisor Naki Dredd. "We give them a little humanitarian aid, they give us access to their Book Publishing markets... it's win-win. Nothing wrong with a little quid pro quo, especially for a good cause."
Funny thing about (2) claims that they are idiotic for their socialistic policies while I am a socialist country... this game never gets the hang of stuff
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posted November 20, 2008 10:09 PM |
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@mamga, is your nation The Republic of Gomunder?
I can give you the password for Heroes Community region if you'd like 
no the republic of gomunder is a result of creatign my nation when others were around.
my nation is the holy empire of mamga...
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posted November 20, 2008 10:43 PM |
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Lawful->Organizes and favors collectivism
Chaotic->Favors individualism and PERSONAL freedom (read: personal, otherwise it's collective)
Wrong. Lawful and Chaotic don't refer to the amount of laws, but to how much they are enforced.
Lawful -> Laws are strictly enforced.
Chaotic -> Lax enforcement of laws - police/government don't enforce their laws with much vigor, if at all.
It doesn't refer to the amount of laws. A collectivist anarcho-socialist commune could be either Lawful or Chaotic, as could a minarchist state.
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posted November 20, 2008 10:46 PM |
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"The Holy Empire of Mamga is a fledgling, socially progressive nation, remarkable for its absence of drug laws. Its hard-working, cynical population of 6 million are proud of their wide-ranging civil freedoms, and those who aren't tend to be dragged off the streets by men in dark suits and hustled into cars with tinted windows.
The tiny, corrupt government is effectively ruled by the Department of Religion & Spirituality, with areas such as Law & Order and Defence receiving almost no funds by comparison. The average income tax rate is 6%. Private enterprise is illegal, but for those in the know there is a slick and highly efficient black market in Basket Weaving.
Voting is compulsory. Crime is a serious problem, probably because of the country's utter lack of prisons. Mamga's national animal is the platypusamander and its currency is the platypi.
Mamga is ranked 236th in the region and 66,129th in the world for Most Influential."
just curious is this a good thing?
"Libertarian Police State"
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posted November 20, 2008 11:06 PM |
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It doesn't refer to the amount of laws. A collectivist anarcho-socialist commune could be either Lawful or Chaotic, as could a minarchist state.
When did I say anything about the amount of laws? I said that it favors a collectivist IDEA.
and yes, "chaotic" means "personal freedom" or "individualism", do you want me to give you quotes about this? (Chaotic Neutral that is, and Chaotic Good is the same but it helps others attain such too).
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posted November 20, 2008 11:08 PM |
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I accepted the language issue, since I personally know what the advantages are of living in a bi- or trilingual nation
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posted November 20, 2008 11:11 PM |
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I said that it favors a collectivist IDEA.
Okay, I'll rephrase what I meant. It doesn't refer to the spirit of the laws, but to the spirit of their enforcement.
How does "lawful" favor a collectivist idea? It just favors enforcing laws.
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posted November 20, 2008 11:42 PM |
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How does "lawful" favor a collectivist idea? It just favors enforcing laws.
Thus everyone acts in a more uniform way, more organized, more collective (i.e all of them don't drink, if they are enforced to do that), instead of everyone being individualistic (some drink, some don't, etc).
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posted November 21, 2008 03:07 AM |
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But, say, according to you, a Chaotic government could be minimalist. And a minimalist government would at least have a law that people could not murder. And they'd expect the people to conform to that law. So, is that some kind of new alignment - Lawful Chaotic?
So if a government had a law but didn't expect people to conform to it, it'd be Chaotic?  Then what's the point of having the law in the first place?
And why can't Lawful governments support individualism? Just have laws that protect the freedom of the individual...
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posted November 21, 2008 01:27 PM |
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And a minimalist government would at least have a law that people could not murder.
Yes of course since it's REALLY hard to go 100% extremity
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So, is that some kind of new alignment - Lawful Chaotic?
You're thinking too ABSOLUTE. I said that Lawful is a lot MORE (it tends a lot more) to collectivism than Chaotic. In fact, it sorta ENCOURAGES that. Of the three Chaotic alignments, only the Chaotic Neutral is the one who doesn't care about the citizens (well if it's 100% extreme). Chaotic Evil oppresses them for fun/evil purposes.
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And why can't Lawful governments support individualism? Just have laws that protect the freedom of the individual...
That's Chaotic --> to protect the freedom of the individual. And usually nothing else
(albeit sounds more like Chaotic Good (protect others' freedom, think about it) but it is different with governments because they represent the people and as such they have some form of 'duty' whether they are 'good' or not).
As for NS2, my GDP decreased again (by a small amount)
I'm starting to get pissed...
Why the hell don't I sell my goods to the world market if I have a surplus?
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posted November 21, 2008 01:30 PM |
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Why the hell don't I sell my goods to the world market if I have a surplus?
Because nobody needs more of your products?
I mean, I never sold bananas and antibiotics to the World Market since the beginning (ok, only in very small amounts). But since I made Mvassland my partner I sell many bananas and antibiotics there, since I sell them cheaper and Mvass buys from me instead of from the World Market. I still sell to the World Market like before, but it's almost nothing.
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Because nobody needs more of your products?
Not sure because the FAQ says that the world market is usually the "best" choice -- so if I can't sell them there, WTF is happening? Some kind of bug or what?
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posted November 21, 2008 01:42 PM |
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The World Market is the best because you sell there expensive. However, if nobody needs your products (let's say there are a lot of nations with the same industries) then you won't be able to sell much.
However, with careful planning, you can make some partners who are in dire needs of your products, and you will sell them a lot of your products (even though a little cheaper).
Here let me quote something from the FAQ:Quote:
What determines trade prices?
Supply and demand, what else? Specifically, prices are determined by the supply and demand of the needs that industry can satisfy. For example, sheep can be used as clothing or food, so the price of sheep is influenced by how much food and clothing the world needs and how much food and clothing other nations are producing.
So if many nations produce the same things as you, you'll not sell much to the World Market (and neither them)
So if you make someone a partner, you're actually lowering the needs of your products in the World Market even more, since one more nation doesn't need those products from the World Market. However, this way your nation wins something, selling a lot of your products to someone (because it's cheaper than from the World Market). That's what it means with "being spectacularly clever" in the quote: that you should seek partners which need a lot of your products.Quote:
Can I boost my economy with Trade Statuses?
Usually not, unless you are spectacularly clever. Generally speaking, you are best to leave every Trade Status at Neutral: that way your nation will buy and sell on the world market, getting the best prices. Any deviation from Neutral means your nation will act a little less efficiently: it will, for example, pay a little more than it needs to in order to purchase from a Priority Partner, or pass up an opportunity to buy cheaply from a nation you have Embargoed.
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