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posted November 20, 2008 01:46 PM |
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WTF happened? This sucks big time, I'm tired of bugs or whatever the hell it is  
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posted November 20, 2008 01:47 PM |
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Nono, now it is correct, there was a bug when you had more GDP than me. 
lol joking
My Economic Freedoms decreased to Average for some reason (maybe because I don't want rich people to buy the arts from museums?)
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posted November 20, 2008 01:51 PM |
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Nono, now it is correct, there was a bug when you had more GDP than me.
I didn't see you not complain about previous bugs before
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My Economic Freedoms decreased to Average for some reason (maybe because I don't want rich people to buy the arts from museums?)
I think it's because of your trade policies & status  (hey look at me I have Below Average, too many partners )
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posted November 20, 2008 02:01 PM |
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My point was that you don't know if this is a bug. What makes you think you should have a higher GDP than me? Just because you had that from the start? How do you know that it wasn't a bug back then and now it's correct?
And don't you think having more partners is pro-trade, as that nation said when seeking the position of Secretary of Economic Affairs (and 'bragged' how he has such high Economic Freedoms, etc)
Here's the quote:Quote:
I am publicly seeking the office of Secretary of Economic Affairs for the Oceanican Alliance.
My record speaks for itself. My nation’s GDP has grown every day and we have very good economic freedoms. I’m pro–trade.
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Again I would promote preferred trading, outlaw direct embargoes (within The Oceanican Alliance), and coordinate economic sanctions against Oceanica member nations who fight each other.
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posted November 20, 2008 02:05 PM |
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My point was that you don't know if this is a bug. What makes you think you should have a higher GDP than me? Just because you had that from the start? How do you know that it wasn't a bug back then and now it's correct?
That is silly.
But of course you're not even acting neutral (yeah yeah, Mvass is supposed to have 0.8 riiiiiiight...) since you are even proud for something you haven't even done.
I don't get what you mean with the trading stuff. If you make priority partners or trading partners, then your people are FORCED to sell them FIRST, then to the world market. The globalization/world market is the most free choice of economy, since they can sell to virtually anyone else with such status (Neutral or whatever it is).
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posted November 20, 2008 02:23 PM |
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I got that Education Issue in NS 2 and I don't know what to choose
Oh and in NS1 I have a kinda funny one:
The Issue
Anarchists have been covertly putting up anti-government posters all over Drathirvlos. Some of your closest advisors have suggested the implementation of a secret police force to deal with the more... difficult members of society.
The Debate
1. "Sometimes a government has got to deal with something without having to go through the 'proper channels'," says Bill Spirit, who does not exist within any of Drathirvlos's records. "It happens sometimes and we have to deal with it. It's not just anarchists either - it's the terrorists, the criminals, the traitors, and the goddamn hippies. With a secret police we can arrest the troublemakers and torture them to find other dissenters without having to worry about fiddly matters like human rights."
2. "Don't listen to that idiot!" whispers Dave O'Bannon, one of your more guilt-ridden henchpersons. "I don't know how you feel about this but I think this would be a bad path for our government to go down. Drathirvlos shouldn't resort to deceit and off-the-record brutality to put away people. A secret police force would ruin our fine nation. It's time our government was candid with its people and let them say what they want!"
3. "Or how about we be candid AND have a secret police force," says Jennifer Barry your head spy from behind a newspaper with eyeholes cut out. "We could just reassign all the normal police into secret police. The beauty of it is that we won't have to bother solving crimes if it doesn't benefit the government! It's what we've always wanted! Not what the people want of course, but if they complain we can just make them... disappear."
I just wonder if this will decrease my Civil Rights or only the Political Rights (I mean, option 1 or 3)
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posted November 20, 2008 02:57 PM |
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Option 2 is Chaotic Neutral though
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posted November 20, 2008 03:01 PM |
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Actually that's the complete opposite of what Tianara (CN character) does in that Module against those "Religious freaks from the Cult of the Obsidian Eye"
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posted November 20, 2008 03:06 PM |
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Chaotic Neutral is anarchy at best. People are unoppressed but also let to fend off for themselves. You oppress them (with the other options). Police? Police is something AGAINST Chaotic Neutral, because you are not let to fend off for yourself. Even more you actually use such police for the GOVERNMENT's reasons, which implies some kind of authoritarian thing -- which is the anti-thesis of the "be free and do what you want, but also don't ask for help" aka Chaotic Neutral flawed ideology
I don't really care about the modules you played and how you interpret them. It is written that Chaotic Neutral is an anarchy and has no or minimum government. It didn't even deal with governments. And interpretations vary. On the other hand, I think the phrase "minimum government" or "anarchy" are quite expressive and not left for interpretation don't you think? 
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posted November 20, 2008 03:10 PM |
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Oh no don't tell me you're getting back at that
If I hear one more time about your interpretation of Chaotic Neutral in this thread I'm gonna 'explode'
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posted November 20, 2008 03:13 PM |
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Hold on I didn't even post quotes yet, which you conveniently ignore. Just because you think you are Chaotic Neutral and ignore whatever truth you want doesn't make it true. Don't take my word, but deal with the quotes (not gonna post them because you know what I'm talking about).
and yes those quotes have "government" in their phrases, unlike your (flawed) interpretations from a stupid character in a Nwn module.
But you even contradict yourself. On one hand you ban police, and call that Chaotic Neutral (which is true). And now you want to make a special police (for the government, which is even worse) to oppress the people -- and call this Chaotic Neutral. Incompatible. Which one of them is?
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posted November 20, 2008 03:15 PM |
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That's the difference: this is a special 'off-the-record' police
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posted November 20, 2008 03:16 PM |
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If you bothered to read what I said it's even worse. People pay taxes to get oppressed, which is the anti-thesis of freedom and Chaotic Neutral is pure freedom. A government "represents its people", it is not a form of greedy power (that would be classified as evil actually). So it needs to represent freedom.
So it's even worse!
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posted November 20, 2008 03:22 PM |
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I suggest, if you don't want to give up power and more freedom to your citizens, then you should dismiss it.... best option seriously (apart from 2, or if you want to get out of the Chaotic Neutral circle anyway )
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posted November 20, 2008 03:31 PM |
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I don't like Dismissing Issues, like I said.
I just don't know what to pick between 1 and 3.
Anti-Government whiners need to pay
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posted November 20, 2008 03:43 PM |
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You start to sound like a communist
(and yeah, an oppressive regime as well)
what's so bad in dismissing since you didn't dismiss a lot either? (I did a lot that's why I didn't want to )
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posted November 20, 2008 03:50 PM |
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the first option sounds tasty 
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posted November 20, 2008 04:32 PM |
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You know, there are some reoleplayers who truly hate chaotic neutral, since they believe it don't make any sense. It's like just extremely random. They're the anti-thesis of an alignment
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posted November 20, 2008 04:39 PM |
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Yet they must not be any other alignment by itself
(doing so would cause a shift)
But we're not talking about an individual here, but about a government. Which should represent the people.
Communists aren't really Chaotic Neutral you know...
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posted November 20, 2008 04:53 PM |
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But we're not talking about an individual here, but about a government. Which should represent the people.
WRONG.
Chaotic Rulers do not represent the people at all.
@Darks: And the third not? It's basically the same only that it will fund the 'special police' from the normal 'police' (which that option gets rid of)
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