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Quote: The Issue
All of Aurile has been in an uproar since yesterday when a car exploded in the middle of the capital city, killing dozens and injuring hundreds. This terrorist act was traced back to a violent minority group known as the Lilliputian Freedom Fighters. A group allegedly supported by an unfriendly regime, despising Aurile for its heathenish ways and political bent, but more particularly for supporting the recent occupation of their homeland by an ally.
The Debate
1. "They simply crossed the line!" shouts General Freddy Chicago. "Far too long have we tolerated these terrorist threats, it's time that they realise they can't mess with us. Send the order to prepare an invasion, and we will show them who is boss! Our brave soldiers are prepared to die for their country, all we need is your signature and a lot of money. But what is the cost of freedom and safety for Aurile's peoples?"
2. "Attacking another country isn't the answer," says Naki Wall, director of the Aurile Intelligence Agency. "The problem doesn't lie abroad, but within Aurile itself! We should have more freedom to do our work. Protecting our nation from these cowardly scaremongerers would be much easier if we had an inherent right to tap phones and other communications, get search warrants whenever we need, and detain suspects indefinitely. Remember, to prevent is better than to cure."
3. "No, that's what those terrorists want us to do!" speculates chairman Billy Wu of the Patriots' Tea and Biscuits Club. "We don't want to give the Agency any more responsibility, they're the ones who messed up in the first place. What we need is to purge Aurile of these rats who don't respect the laws and traditions of our way of life. We know who they are and where they come from, so the solution is obvious: we just won't let those sorts of people cross our borders and kick out those who are already here. It might seem a bit harsh, but hey, we were here first. Long live Aurile!"
4. "I think it's clear to anyone with half a brain in their head that this will just not work," says Jennifer McAlpin, a noted professor of social studies. "The people who perpetrate these terrible crimes do so because they feel they have no other recourse to demonstrate their political opinions. They'll do anything and I'm sure they're not above hiring mercenaries. You must understand why terrorists act as they do and fix it! What we should do is to reach out to the ethnic and religious minorities and seek common ground! Negotiation is the key! Violence solves nothing."
5. "We spit on Aurile!" expectorates Pip Shiomi, leader of the Lilliputian Freedom Fighters. "You disrespect our people and our country and everything we are! You spread your sickening influence where it is not wanted! You must change your ways and cease to oppose us or else there will be more bloodshed. You have been warned!"
6. "Is terrorism such a terrible thing? Really?" asks Jennifer Winters, avant garde journalist, discreetly sliding a pipe bomb under your desk. "These people are simply expressing their political opinion the best way they know how. I think we should legalise terrorism as a legitimate form of political commentary. It'll certainly get people interested, don't you think?"
1. sucks in general
2. is way too CIA, my current thouts are this
3. messes up economy
4. has no effect
5. is ridiculous
6. is absurd
Thoughts people?
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posted November 26, 2008 02:26 PM |
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Edited by TheDeath at 14:28, 26 Nov 2008.
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Quote: You know, a true peace-loving nation (extreme pacifism) (I wish everyone adopted it) doesn't consider war as a possibility.
Hmm yeah it's a shame so many run their countries without much seriousness. Then again, whether you consider war or not, with such nations around and a world full of guns, it's kinda impossible to not consider it (even if dismissing it). In this world, if you don't start a war, war comes at you. (and I being the latter)
I wish some aliens came and exterminated it once and for all
Then again how would I stop people if they wanted to start a massive polluting program? It's not like it won't affect my nation either (pollution doesn't know national borders )...
Oh and of course I admire what I protect otherwise I wouldn't protect in the first place. I am even prepared to sacrifice for that
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posted November 26, 2008 02:27 PM |
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4 is the most peaceful.
1 Is what America did in Iraq
2 Is what America did in America
3 Is what we do now with the benefit of hindsight
5 is giving up
6 is horrible
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posted November 26, 2008 02:28 PM |
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Edited by TheDeath at 14:29, 26 Nov 2008.
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@Joonas: Pick 4
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posted November 26, 2008 02:30 PM |
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posted November 26, 2008 02:31 PM |
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I'd pick 1.
And don't even start to comment, Death.
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posted November 26, 2008 02:31 PM |
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Yes, but I am a self-diagnosed schizo, so I can honestly say I run Nationstates seriously.
and the world will always continue to improve, since most people mean for the best and now we're organised and-
I drift off
@ joonas: Four may suck, but do you want to give in to terrorism or act like America, huh? Well? Do ya?!
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posted November 26, 2008 02:33 PM |
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I think I'll go with big brother system and further raise the tax rates.
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posted November 26, 2008 02:33 PM |
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Quote: I'd pick 1.
And don't even start to comment, Death.
Not really surprising I consider your nation a terrorist since I consider America a terrorist too
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posted November 26, 2008 02:34 PM |
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Edited by Asheera at 14:35, 26 Nov 2008.
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Well you consider your nation pacifist as well (and it seems you don't support the 'pacifist option' (6)), so I'm not surprised about your interpretations
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posted November 26, 2008 02:38 PM |
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Quote: Yes, but I am a self-diagnosed schizo, so I can honestly say I run Nationstates seriously.
and the world will always continue to improve, since most people mean for the best and now we're organised and-
I drift off
On the other hand, so do war-oriented people
and like I said I use a somewhat Protoss-like philosophy (not really ofc). I, as in the ruler, may not be peaceful myself but I advocate it to my citizens for example. Not only peace but also beauty and conservation, not waste and greed.
So yeah I may not become what I protect but I sure admire that. I may not be an extreme pacifist in the sense but I do protect that. I don't really like the idea of greedy and corrupted and polluting people to have any sort of influence upon me
@Ash: yeah and who said it's not true?
Example: The Moon is inhabited with peaceful beings -- 100% peaceful. Some greedy smartass (it makes me sick) decides to bomb them or enslave them. I take action. I may not be peaceful here, but I do advocate that on the aliens.
My nation is peaceful per se because you don't see citizens with Ion Cannons and desire to make war doh.
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posted November 26, 2008 02:38 PM |
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Quote: I'd pick 1.
Yeah, baby!
We all know America was doing the right thing all the time, w00t!!!
I kid really. I respect it to a point, though it might be a bit short-sighted in the long run. And, Ash, your nation is war-like. I am just saying this, because it's true. It's a nation were people grow to be strong and to fight. You do this in a sinister way by killing off all those who voice other opinions and imposing your laws of combat. That IS as far as I reckon your nation and I do not judge it (I love Empiriana, so why would I hate this?)
But as someone who created Meriath, I have to say I find it quite dull
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posted November 26, 2008 02:41 PM |
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Quote: But as someone who created Meriath, I have to say I find it quite dull
Hehe.
Somehow if that were to come from me Ash would make a very big fuss about it
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posted November 26, 2008 02:41 PM |
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Yes my nation is war-like, I agree, but that's what I wanted.
Oh and Death, you sound like an extreme patriotic and want all your world to share your views. You know, probably evil people like Hitler believed the same.
Not to mention, if you consider yourself 'altruistic' and not a war-lover, and not choose 6, then those that choose 6 are 'holy' or what?
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posted November 26, 2008 02:43 PM |
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no, ash, they're beautifully naive and progressive.
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posted November 26, 2008 02:45 PM |
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Is it so hard to pick?Only if I had that issue...the carriers would be already sent
I would chose either 1 or 2
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posted November 26, 2008 02:46 PM |
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To prevent any confusion, when I'm talking to Death I'm referring to his Issue, not Joonas'
I hope it was obvious so sorry if it was not.
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posted November 26, 2008 02:46 PM |
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Quote: Oh and Death, you sound like an extreme patriotic and want all your world to share your views. You know, probably evil people like Hitler believed the same.
I don't remember Hitler "forgiving" Jews at all. And of course I care about good people or let's say those that don't have greedy impacts on everything else (or someone else).
and you know what? I don't oppress people if they don't influence much (example: religion, if you'll start with inquisition examples). On the other hand, if someone wants to make war, then am I patriotic for stopping them? How about they keep their damn things to themselves?
Or about pollution. How about you keep it in your house and not rape the Earth and possibly the wind will bring it in my nation as well
(not talking to you ofc but in general).
so yeah I don't know if that makes me "Hitler" since he killed Jews without reason (I mean they doing something) apart from what they are. I don't discriminate, heck I even love aliens
Quote: Not to mention, if you consider yourself 'altruistic' and not a war-lover, and not choose 6, then those that choose 6 are 'holy' or what?
No, they are pacifists. I am protectionist.
I am still undecided though, since Ion Cannons are not such a big deal when I have nukes anyway (and would require more taxes meh)
dunno if I'll go with 6 though it's really making me think.
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posted November 26, 2008 03:02 PM |
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Edited by JoonasTo at 15:05, 26 Nov 2008.
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Being the geek that you are Death I know you can't resist lousy DDoS clients.
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posted November 26, 2008 03:13 PM |
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Joonas you made me do it
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Oh yes and in nation states 1 some dissenters are complaining about the absolute and total free speech rights they enjoy.
edit: NAtionstaes 2
A small cult in the north of Mamga has called for recognition of their faith. The Spacentologists, worshipers of all manner of flying dishware, demands greater nationwide recognition.
should i recognize these morons?
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