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I have gone back to Hillary. She will be releasing her income tax returns. Turns out she was witholding the information because Obama was doing it too.
Are you sure you're not just upset by that speech Obama made, referring to his white grandmother as a "typical white person"?
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After Obama's speech recently, I have to admit I am a bit more impressed.
Well, I'm becoming less and less impressed with Obama. He seemed all right at first, but then:
"The United States of White America!!!"
"They want us to sing 'God Bless America'... NO! GOD DAMN AMERICA, that's in the Bible! GOD DAMN AMERICA!"
"Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. NO, HE AIN'T! He did us just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty!"
Obama's pastor also claims that the government created AIDS to wipe out minorities.
And then Obama made his "historic" speech, and he used the phrase "typical white person". Is Obama a racist, or is he stupid? It has to be one of the two.
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I'd like to see what would have happened if someone like McCain would have said "typical black person". All hell would have broken loose.
Don't you just love double standards?
Can someone explain to me what is so important about her tax returns? Who's business is it but her own? I don't plan on sharing my tax returns with anyone, so why should I feel that I need to see other people's returns? I just don't understand.
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posted March 26, 2008 02:08 PM |
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People need to stop seeing themselves as part of something they didn't volountarily join.
Regarding the tax returns, it's just an excuse to say, "Ha, you're being dishonest!"
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Nope,
With regard to his grandmother, she didn't raise him. If she had then I would have given more weight to her racial disposition. There is only one person who raised him, his mother. It is sad and re-assuring all in the same. Bitter sweet is an awful thing to feel good about when concerning single-mother parenting.
I knew long before all this by reading his book, Dreams from My Father. The title itself says more than he could possibly know. He didn't know his father, or any other for that matter.
Barely related.....but still on along similar discussion....my brother and his wife have just received their adopted daughter from the hospital a few days after she was born. My brother and his wife are both white folks living in one of America's most ethnically white parts of one of our most ethnically white states, Utah. My wife and I had a discussion that we both believe my brother and his wife will be exceptionally good and qualified parents.
I recalled one of my most shocking memories of one episode of the MTV television series where two black women cornered a black guy whom they believed wasn't acting black enough. They waited until everyone else had gone from the apartment to doubleteam on him in forcing their view that he should embrace his blackness and act more black. I told my wife that racism can run both ways. I wonder what my new niece will be exposed to. I will protect her as best I can but I live two states over.
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I read "Dreams from my Father" as well, and in it it states that his mother traveled a lot, and for part of his life he was raised by his white grandparents.
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posted March 30, 2008 09:13 PM |
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Obama should beat Clinton
I'd rather have a fresh, but sympathatic person than her
Clinton was caught lying on several occasions. Todays World Power deserves a better leader than that (and than naïve Bush)
That's said, I hope no-one is offended 
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Get your facts straight Consis.
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With regard to his grandmother, she didn't raise him. If she had then I would have given more weight to her racial disposition. There is only one person who raised him, his mother.
Sometimes you just come right through the looking glass, man. Black is White. Right is wrong. Obama's grandmother didn't raise him. What are you talking about?
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Obama... was born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii to Barack Obama, Sr. and Ann Dunham. His parents separated when he was two years old and later divorced. After her divorce, Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, and the family moved to Soetoro's home country of Indonesia in 1967, where Obama attended local schools in Jakarta from ages 6 to 10.
He then returned to Honolulu to live with his maternal grandparents while attending Punahou School from the fifth grade until his graduation in 1979. Following high school, Obama moved to Los Angeles, where he studied at Occidental College for two years. He then transferred to Columbia University in New York City, where he majored in political science with a specialization in international relations.
(Wikipedia -- footnotes removed)
Let's see. By my math, Obama was with his mom from birth to the fifth grade (age 10), then with his grandparents until he graduated highschool (age 17). So he was with his grandmother (and grandfather) from ages 10 to 17. But then you know that since you read the book, right? Does that not count as "being raised" by her? My son's eleven and I still consider myself to be raising him... How old are your kids? Are you still "raising them"? Trust me, if they are not older than ten yet, if you think you will not still be "raising" them after that age you're hugely mistaken.
In fact, Obama said his grandmother "helped" raise him, which IMHO is even more accurate. So did his mother, his grandfather, and his stepfather. If you can explain why any such claims are somehow inaccurate or misleading, then I'll fly to Oregon tonight and buy you a steak dinner.
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Are you sure you're not just upset by that speech Obama made, referring to his white grandmother as a "typical white person"?
Below is a link to the full text of the speech. NOWHERE does this phrase turn up. Let that be a lesson to all of us [AHEM WOLF] never to take anything people say here, or anywhere, for granted. What Obama DID say was this:
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I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother - a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.
These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love.
For anyone NOT willing to read the entire transcript, or better watch the tape of the speech, let me tell you from someone who has, that Mvass's phrase is not even an accurate tagline for the mood of the speech. In fact it's completely misleading -- the complete opposite of the entire point and trajectory of the message. Here's a bit of the real vision Obama relayed:
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On one end of the spectrum, we've heard the implication that my candidacy is somehow an exercise in affirmative action; that it's based solely on the desire of wide-eyed liberals to purchase racial reconciliation on the cheap. On the other end, we've heard my former pastor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, use incendiary language to express views that have the potential not only to widen the racial divide, but views that denigrate both the greatness and the goodness of our nation; that rightly offend white and black alike.
I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely - just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.
But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren't simply controversial. They weren't simply a religious leader's effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country - a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.
As such, Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems - two wars, a terrorist threat, a falling economy, a chronic health care crisis and potentially devastating climate change; problems that are neither black or white or Latino or Asian, but rather problems that confront us all...
For we have a choice in this country. We can accept a politics that breeds division, and conflict, and cynicism. We can tackle race only as spectacle - as we did in the OJ trial - or in the wake of tragedy, as we did in the aftermath of Katrina - or as fodder for the nightly news. We can play Reverend Wright's sermons on every channel, every day and talk about them from now until the election, and make the only question in this campaign whether or not the American people think that I somehow believe or sympathize with his most offensive words. We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she's playing the race card, or we can speculate on whether white men will all flock to John McCain in the general election regardless of his policies.
We can do that.
But if we do, I can tell you that in the next election, we'll be talking about some other distraction. And then another one. And then another one. And nothing will change.
That is one option. Or, at this moment, in this election, we can come together and say:
"Not this time."
This time we want to talk about the crumbling schools that are stealing the future of black children and white children and Asian children and Hispanic children and Native American children. This time we want to reject the cynicism that tells us that these kids can't learn; that those kids who don't look like us are somebody else's problem. The children of America are not those kids, they are our kids, and we will not let them fall behind in a 21st century economy.
Not this time...
I also find it interesting that you list a bunch of quotes by Wright without referring to Wright, as though to imply those comments were made by Obama instead...
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Well, I'm becoming less and less impressed with Obama. He seemed all right at first, but then:
"The United States of White America!!!"
"They want us to sing 'God Bless America'... NO! GOD DAMN AMERICA, that's in the Bible! GOD DAMN AMERICA!"
"Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. NO, HE AIN'T! He did us just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty!"
What is it you're trying to suggest? That Obama made these statements? That he agrees with them? Did you not read his response before you posted that offal?
Will people like you be satisfied with anything short of a personal lynching of Wright by Obama??? (Clearly, the answer to that last question is "NO" since it is becoming increasingly obvious that folks who simply don't like him are using this rack -- however pathetically fragile it is -- to hang their hate-hats on)
Mvass, you are participating in the worst sort of spin imaginable. Congratulations for contributing to the confusion, man. Seriously, I'd re-examine my motives, methods and objectivity if I were you.
Here's the full text of the speech for those of you who might choose a more responsible path:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/18/politics/main3947908.shtml
Here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWe7wTVbLUU/
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posted April 04, 2008 08:38 PM |
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On Clinton's tax returns --
Wolf, Consis and the rest --
The primary interest in Clinton's tax returns is that they will answer a number of questions, which it is my understanding primarily surround her off-shore dividends.
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I have gone back to Hillary. She will be releasing her income tax returns. Turns out she was witholding the information because Obama was doing it too.
Once again Consis, you're just flat wrong.
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Obama's campaign called on Clinton to meet his standard of disclosure. Obama, 46, initially released his 2006 tax returns a year ago...
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/the-obama-tax-a.html
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The Obama Tax Attack Against Clinton
March 09, 2008 2:56 PM
Obama's Tax Return(s)
Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, released his 2006 tax returns last year.
This year his campaign has been hammering Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, for not doing the same, especially after she loaned her campaign $5 million.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aBNSuL0a2GHs&refer=home
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FEBRUARY 2008: Clinton Reiterated That She Would Not Release Her Tax Records Until She Is The Nominee And Not Before Mid-April. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton says she won’t release her tax returns until she has the Democratic presidential nomination in hand, and not before tax filing time comes in mid-April. “I will release my tax returns,” Clinton said during the debate. “I have consistently said I will do that once I become the nominee, or even earlier.” Pressed about the timing of releasing her tax returns, campaign aides were more reticent Wednesday, indicating that Clinton would not release the sensitive financial data during a hotly contested primary, but only at tax filing time. [AP, 2/27/08
<http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1717644,00.html> ]
As smart as you all are, the way you people play fast and loose with the facts around here continues to amaze me.
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NOWHERE does this phrase turn up.
All right, he used it in a later interview.
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That he agrees with them?
If he doesn't agree with him, why does he go to his church? Is he stupid?
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Mvass, suggesting that he is stupid is not like you. You usually have something better to say - why resort to this sillyness now? State clearly what you think, is it a)Obama actually agrees but can't say it aloud because of unpopularity b)Obama disagrees but has other ties to him that are stronger c)Obama is a poophead d)something else
But the truth is, if I wouldn't agree with a minister then I would not attend his church. Especially if his sermons are as politically motivated as they are and not purely religious and spiritual. But in USA religion has always affected politics a great deal.
I actually see where Wright is coming from and agree to some of his stances..
"God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."
"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye,"
"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost,"
It is touchy, because it hurts the patriotic mentality of a lot of people. But all of that I can agree with actually. Those are pretty much what Ron Paul stated as well, I wonder why that didn't raise as much attention.
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Minion, I concur.
Here's the syllogism...
Mvass clearly does not condone Wright's condemnation of America's behavior and implies that such condemnation is "antipatriotic."
However, Mvass expects Obama to disown Wright for his condemnations of America where Wright angrily believes America has behaved in a condemnable fashion.
Therefore, Wright is condemnable for damning America's bad behavior.
But Obama is condemnable for not damning Wright's bad behavior... (except that he did.)
Sounds like a double standard or worse to me.
Unless, of course, you're the "my country right or wrong" type, which has become pretty much the only politically correct option in the minds of many since 9/11, so that any time you denounce anything your country has done you are being anti-patriotic...
It would be different if Wright were a staff member or a political advisor. But he never was those things.
I will continue to let the speech speak for itself, but not without at least one more admonishment.
That guy has been a pastor for some thirty years. They tape his sermons every Sunday and make them publicly available. Have you noticed there are only three or four moments-long statements they are playing in an endless loop out of context over and over again, out of thirty years worth? S*** -- If that's all they can come up with out of thirty years worth then the guy's not doing too bad.
As for the objectionable stuff he did say, just don't forget that that church is part of the fabric of the community that is like family to Obama. If you've never been involved in a liberation theology-type church (mine was Mni Waconi in Denver, Lakota for Living Waters), then you'll never understand how much good such a community hub can bring about in your community, how many lives can be redeemd and completely changed, despite the occasional angry rhetoric that slips out here and there.
The fact is that you and many others do not understand the lingering anger of the previous generation of folks of color. This lack of understanding only underscores and artifically inflates a racial divide that does not exist to any comparable extent in the post-civil rights generations. Assuming that Wright was condeming everything about the U.S. then like Wright, you are taking a small snapshot of some tiny fraction of the whole, taking it out of context, freezing it in time, and dissapproving of the larger whole and demanding a blanket condemnation of the whole church and all of Wright's other words and messages, of which you know absolutely nothing.
Meanwhile, while those of you allow this silliness to pull you off track from the real, critical issues, let me take my hat off to continued self-destructive behavior. If I allowed this mindless requirement to take my dollies and dishes and go home every time I found out a friend, my pastor, or a relative said something offensive or that I did not agree with, I'd have no friends, no pastor (they ALL say things I clearly disagree with) and practically no family members, including and especially my own husband.
We don't have to agree with everything our loved ones say to keep loving them. We can even keep loving them and condemn their statements and actions -- publicly, in Obama's case. But if we keep holding each candidate to the utterly ridiculous impeccable pristine standards of current, then no one would be left to run.
What are the real questions? The real questions are: Who has the best chance of winning the general election? Who has the best chance of turning the United States' image around globally? Who has the best chance of unifying Congress, or else NOTHING else will get done and nothing will change? Who has the best chance of brokering a durable peace in the Middle East to pave the way for a sensible withdrawal from Iraq?
Oh, my mistake. Of course, everybody knows it's MUCH more important what Obama's pastor said for a few seconds here and there than any of the above... OF COURSE everybody knows that......?!?!?!?!?!?!
...NOT THIS TIME...
Mvass, if you want to know whether Obama agrees with Wright or whether he is stupid, then READ HIS BOOKS. Ferchrissake, base your opinions and judgments on something substantive, instead of this mindless spin you keep wallowing in along with the rest of the largely uninformed electorate which apparently continues to insist on letting the goddammed demagoguery and pumped-up pundits make up its mind for it through thirty-second soundbites uttered by someone else.
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=6b3d9c26-7c9e-4814-badd-a124edc68718
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Will people like you be satisfied with anything short of a personal lynching of Wright by Obama???
Metaphorically speaking, that would help. But he did go to Wright's church for 20 years. If he didn't agree with what he said, why did he go to his church? Of all the churches in Chicago, he chose that one. I read his books. He chose it because of its ties to the "black community". And so he is a fool. If he isn't as stupid as to agree with Wright's statements, he's stupid to put community above not listening to idiotic rhetoric every Sunday.
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State clearly what you think, is it a)Obama actually agrees but can't say it aloud because of unpopularity b)Obama disagrees but has other ties to him that are stronger c)Obama is a poophead d)something else
It's either A or B, I can't decide. If it is A, I will not ever support Obama again. If it is B, I might be convinced to support him again, if he disowned and completely denounced Reverend Wright. And he would still be wrong for not doing it earlier. And he would also be wrong for having volountary ties to such an idiot.
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"God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."
I actually agree with half of Wright's statements. But the other half are so idiotic that they more than negate any sense in the first half. Of course America shouldn't act like God. But "God damn America"? That's definitely going over the line.
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"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye,"
Nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved the lives of countless American soldiers. An invasion would have caused far more deaths.
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"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost,"
I take no issue with this statement. It is true.
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Those are pretty much what Ron Paul stated as well
Excuse me? When did Ron Paul say that the government created AIDS to wipe out minorities? When did Ron Paul say "God damn America"? The only thing that they agree on is that America's foreign policy causes too much blowback.
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Mvass clearly does not condone Wright's condemnation of America's behavior and implies that such condemnation is "antipatriotic."
However, Mvass expects Obama to disown Wright for his condemnations of America where Wright angrily believes America has behaved in a condemnable fashion.
Therefore, Wright is condemnable for damning America's bad behavior.
But Obama is condemnable for not damning Wright's bad behavior... (except that he did.)
Wright is wrong. Obama is wrong for not disowning him.
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Unless, of course, you're the "my country right or wrong" type, which has become pretty much the only politically correct option in the minds of many since 9/11, so that any time you denounce anything your country has done you are being anti-patriotic...
I am hardly of that type. I critisise America's behavior quite a bit.
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The fact is that you and many others do not understand the lingering anger of the previous generation of folks of color.
We no longer have slavery. We no longer have segregation. So they should get over it. The only thing keeping them down is this so-called "black culture", which contains many things, but most harmfully it crisitises those who try to get ahead. Their name for them is "Uncle Tom".
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We don't have to agree with everything our loved ones say to keep loving them.
Obama doesn't have to go to Reverend Wright's church. Reverend Wright himself is a segregationist. So is every other person who claims to be a leader of the "black community".
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Oh, my mistake. Of course, everybody knows it's MUCH more important what Obama's pastor said for a few seconds here and there than any of the above... OF COURSE everybody knows that......?!?!?!?!?!?!
Of course too much attention is being paid to personality. But this Reverend Wright controversy is very important.
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Mvass, if you want to know whether Obama agrees with Wright or whether he is stupid, then READ HIS BOOKS.
I DID READ HIS BOOKS. Incidentally, to quote from "Dreams from my Father", p. 343-344
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The following week, I called Mark and suggested that we go out to lunch... I asked him how it felt being back for the summer.
"Fine," he said. "It's nice to see my mom and dad, of course. And Joey - he's really a great kid... As for the rest of Kenya, I don't feel much of an attachment. Just another poor African country."
"You don't ever think about settling here?"...
"No," he said. "I mean, there's not much work for a physicist, is there, in a country where the average person doesn't have a telephone."
I should have stopped right there... "Don't you feel like you might be losing something?"...
"I understand what you're getting at," he said flatly. "You think that I'm somehow cut off from my roots, that sort of thing... Other things move me. Beethoven's symphonies. Shakespeare's sonnets. I know - it's not what an African is supposed to care about. But who's to tell me what I should and shouldn't care about?"
Thus, Obama is critical of Mark for trying to get ahead.
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Some people just make up their minds, and there is nothing that can be said that will change it. Obama states flat out that he disagrees with the statements, and condems those same statements, and it will change nothing. You could point out that he probably still goes to the church because he has friends and family there. That he has strong ties to the place other then the pastor, and it will change nothing.
You could point out that it takes more strength to stand behind an old friend, then to just cut their throat and ditch them in a ditch (preverbably), and it would change nothing. You could point out that he is trying to take the high ground by not bringing up that a Hillary supporter (and her own husband, whom she has not abandoned) has done as bad or worse, and it wouldn't change a thing. Instead of feeding his long time friend to the wolf, he stands beside them, even if he doesn't agree with their view. Shows strength of character. He doesn't just cut and run when things get tough.
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Peace maker you are ramblimg. Your thoughts seem scattered. Mvassilev seems to have made sense of it all and I thank him for that. I still agree with Wolfman. And Binabik....wouldn't that be such sweet poetry if I did?
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Peace maker you are ramblimg. Your thoughts seem scattered....
...ROFL!!!!
As to the accusation itself, I believe you must tend to think anyone who disagrees with you is "rambling." Interesting way of avoiding a substantive response.
As to the fact that you are the one placing that accusation at my feet, I will reserve further comment...
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Mvassilev seems to have made sense of it all and I thank him for that.
There's one thing that I still haven't made sense of: who am I going to support? Am I going to ignore McCain's war stance and his assault on civil liberties, and support him for his good economic views? Or will I ignore Obama's bad economic policies and this latest bit of racism, and support him for his anti-war stance? I can't decide.
In other news:
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/05/30/050530fa_fact_bruck?currentPage=2
The moment the car stopped at McCain’s hotel in downtown New Orleans, he set out at his usual fast clip for Harrah’s, across the street. McCain is an avid gambler. Wes Gullett, a close friend who worked for McCain for years, told me that they used to play craps in Las Vegas in fourteen-hour stints, standing at the tables from 10 a.m. to midnight. “Craps is addictive,” McCain remarked, and he headed for the fifteen-dollar-minimum-bet tables. At the most obvious level, the game is incredibly simple—players rotate turns throwing the dice, and you either win or lose depending on what number comes up. But McCain’s betting formula makes it much more complicated. “Uh-oh!” he cried, as a player accidentally threw the dice off the table. “This is a very, very superstitious game,” he said. When his turn came to throw the dice, he picked them up and blew on them first. He had placed chips on the number 5, so (envisioning a combination of 2 and 3) he called, “Michael Jordan! Michael Jordan!”
On the other hand, if Obama keeps saying stuff like this, I might be convinced to support him again.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/11/clinton-hits-obama-over-reported-bitter-comment/
"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them…And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not," he said.
"And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations," he also said.
How true.
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