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zedrin
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posted July 05, 2001 09:51 PM |
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I always considered females to be equal to males in any respect...
So if you think differently then spit it out
Plus i doubt water elementals have gender, despite their... curves.
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Ichon
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posted July 06, 2001 05:09 AM |
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Fools that we are...
Well, if it's your choice not to get slapped because you are woman and I am man, then I guess you admitting your subservient status. Afterall, no reason to protect those who are equal. Only time there is a need to shield one side is because they are lesser and need to be shielded.
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posted July 07, 2001 04:09 AM |
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Honor is a word somebody invented for others to do his commands!!!
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zedrin
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posted July 07, 2001 04:47 AM |
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But to be able to react prior to the actual action there should be a certainty... which we cannot find in this world... One is prone to do something, but it is not certain he will do it... thus our reaction becomes an action that will trigger an adverse reaction of its own most likely...
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Shae_Trielle
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posted July 07, 2001 11:27 AM |
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I don't swallow sorry
I will not bow to any man for any reason, and I am quite able to look most of them dead in the eye (with the exception of Kuma (freak) LOL) and tell them to get stuffed.
Perhaps this is the reason why guys have slapped me before...
It's nice to see you all shying away from the subject too. If you look closely, Honour is not a word associated only with medieval knights and men. If there were only one gender on this planet, I think the word honour would be much much less significant don't you think? I mean, who else would you have to beat your chests in defence of?
Okay, now it's your turn to spit it out.
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pluvious
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posted July 07, 2001 01:00 PM |
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"Come, dishonourable men, and say that you will slap me! I dare you! I want to see how many of you are 'man' enough to answer this question honourably and come out at the end of it not looking like a complete fool..."
Is this why you have been slapped by guys? This speech? I wouldn't mind backhanding you right now acutally (j/k).
Personally I've never hit a girl and never would (although I must say I've been brought to the point where I've thought about it a few times). You really can't generalize this argument though, because in certain situations it may be considered "acceptable" or even "honorable" to hit a woman.
For example, what if she was trying to kill you? Or if the McDonald's drive thru lady got your order wrong? Or if Shae was yapping in your face and wouldn't shut her green-lipped mouth? All reasons to haul off and send the woman flying.
Actually the only reason I can think of not to hit a woman is if she is bigger than you or if you are wearing a ring and you think it might "mark up her face". Otherwise, its best to keep women in their place. Right? Ummm...guys?
On a serious note I would be angered if a woman I knew was hit by a man. But, in all fairness, if the woman can take care of herself then I suppose its not a problem. But anyone who has been hit by more than one "guy" might have some other issues to deal with...(lol), as in my whole life I've never been hit by a girl and only a couple of guys (These guys are of course still on life-support as I pen this message).
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posted July 07, 2001 04:38 PM |
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Otherwise, its best to keep women in their place. Right? Ummm...guys?
Out of curiousity, what exactly is our place? Hmmm?
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Shae_Trielle
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posted July 07, 2001 05:01 PM |
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Our place
Pluvious, I know you're just kidding, but you sound like you don't like the idea of a girl being outspoken and bold. And the fact that I have been slapped by more than one guy testifies not to any sort of 'problem' that I have other than the refusal to lay down and take crap off someone who's stronger than me. Mind you I never stick around for more abuse, the guy is out in the gutter as soon as he does this.
I am always right
I am never wrong
I never say sorry
I never back down
I ALWAYS win
*smile*
PS, unless it's a game of heroes where I am always wrong, I'm forever saying sorry and I always retreat before I lose! LOL!
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zedrin
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posted July 07, 2001 09:15 PM |
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Biologically speaking females are a bit more developed than males... but since society has considered them the weaker party for quite a period of time, they still bear the scars, quite deeply...
Shae's :"I am always right" atitude is somewhat characteristic to females(at least as far as my own experience goes) and it usually denotes lack of will/arguments to finish a discussion, taking the easy way out... of course no self respecting woman will readily accept this
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pluvious
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posted July 07, 2001 09:30 PM |
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"Biologically speaking females are a bit more developed than males... but since society has considered them the weaker party for quite a period of time, they still bear the scars, quite deeply...
Shae's :"I am always right" atitude is somewhat characteristic to females(at least as far as my own experience goes) and it usually denotes lack of will/arguments to finish a discussion, taking the easy way out... of course no self respecting woman will readily accept this"
Zedrin, I knew you were female. Thanks for the confirmation (lol).
By the way I think that was one of the most clueless posts ever posted in this forum. An "I'm always right" attitude can stem from many things, including dealing with stupid people all the time, an underdeveloped cerebellum, and sexual frustration. I should know...I have this attitude, and all three examples I listed pertain to me.
And Shae, don't talk to my like that or I'll knock you on your ass!
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zedrin
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posted July 07, 2001 09:37 PM |
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Lol, yeah right Pluvious... Fortunately i'm a male, a living one at that.
Of course the "I'm always right" atitude can come from many things, I said that i my conclusions come only from my own experience... Very few females accept defeat easily, since that would make them seem inferior(in their own minds at least).
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If it doesn't make sense, don't blame me, blame this bloody insomnia that's been plaguing me for the past few days.
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Shae_Trielle
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posted July 08, 2001 02:51 AM |
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Why the hell should we?
Here we are back at the same old question again. 'Very few females accept defeat easily since that would make them seem inferior (in their own minds at least)'
This, poor Zedrin is a statement of complete and utter crap! Defeat is NEVER easy to accept, nobody accepts it with relish or a smile on their face and half the pig headed guys I know can't argue a point beyond the first five words! It is exactly this sort of 'females should look at defeat a little lighter' attitude that comes back to the whole 'they should be this, they should be that' idealism that the male gender has placed on women since the beginning of time! Why the hell should women accept defeat?! And who the hell are you to argue what goes on in a woman's mind?!
I have probably generalized men in much the same manner you have Zedrin, but at the end of the day, I strongly believe that everyone should behave according to what they feel is comfortable, not what their gender dictates. The fact that you highlight 'their lack of will to finish an argument or a discussion' just goes to show how shallow you are in your views of women. I will argue with you until the end of time and discuss ANYTHING of ANY nature with you for hours and hours. How dare you claim that my 'always right' attitude denotes a lack of deeper thinking? If you were any sort of smart person, Zedrin, you would appreciate women who can actually think and form their own opinions (even if they're not always right). But then again, perhaps you lack the will and understanding to go that far and try and understand the opposite sex.
Which in my opinion is characteristic of ALL MEN!
Get stuffed the lot of you!
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posted July 08, 2001 04:30 AM |
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Here we are back at the same old question again. 'Very few females accept defeat easily since that would make them seem inferior (in their own minds at least)'
This, poor Zedrin is a statement of complete and utter crap! Defeat is NEVER easy to accept, nobody accepts it with relish or a smile on their face and half the pig headed guys I know can't argue a point beyond the first five words!
Defeat is always easy to accept if you consider its possibility and prepare for it
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It is exactly this sort of 'females should look at defeat a little lighter' attitude that comes back to the whole 'they should be this, they should be that' idealism that the male gender has placed on women since the beginning of time! Why the hell should women accept defeat?! And who the hell are you to argue what goes on in a woman's mind?!
Actually the families revolved around the figure of the matriarch in the past... distant past.
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I have probably generalized men in much the same manner you have Zedrin, but at the end of the day, I strongly believe that everyone should behave according to what they feel is comfortable, not what their gender dictates.
Agreed, behave as you feel confortable, but won't that outcast you from society? We all have to follow patterns and obey rules, else we cannot exist in society... It is not a question of what gender dictates, but what this reality dictates.
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The fact that you highlight 'their lack of will to finish an argument or a discussion' just goes to show how shallow you are in your views of women. I will argue with you until the end of time and discuss ANYTHING of ANY nature with you for hours and hours.
Exactly. "They" prefer having the last word, no matter what.
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How dare you claim that my 'always right' attitude denotes a lack of deeper thinking? If you were any sort of smart person, Zedrin, you would appreciate women who can actually think and form their own opinions (even if they're not always right).
Lol, did i say that that sort of atitude denotes lack of deeper thinking? Btw, what is deep thinking?
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But then again, perhaps you lack the will and understanding to go that far and try and understand the opposite sex.
Which in my opinion is characteristic of ALL MEN!
Get stuffed the lot of you!
As i stated from my previous posts... THIS IS ALL FROM MY EXPERIENCE!!! Reality here is quite different then where you're at Shae... your world would seem almost as allien to me as my world to you... It's a pity you can't catch our five o'clock news.
You generalized men, but you also generalized women, by assuming that they are all like you.
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Hehe
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posted July 09, 2001 03:08 AM |
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Wow, that was a really good reply!
To be honest, Zedrin, I expected rather better, more well thought-out replies from you, but instead I get a few paragraph quotes with simple, dismissive answers.
'Defeat is always easy to accept if you consider it's possibility and prepare for it.' -Well your 'defeatist' attitude certainly stands out here, what happened to fighting until your absolutely stone cold dead? Losing a game of heroes is admittedly not one of the more serious things in life to come to grips with, but when you put in hours and hours of your time, you don't prepare for the possibility of losing during the first week. You slug it out with confidence. Only when you start to believe that your chances of winning are dwindling, do you start this so-called 'preparation'. Preparing for a negative event is NOT easy! Please tell me how switching from a winning to a defeatist attitude is easy? And even then, once you've prepared for it (losing), and the final battle comes and you lose all of your troops, I bet you a hundred bucks that you turn around and curse all the little mistakes you made in the turns gone by. There is never a game that I have played where at the end of it, I never had the bitter thought 'I could have won this...' If you find defeat so easy to prepare for and accept Zedrin, then you lack the passion of victory my friend.
Ummm, excuse me, but who the hell started talking about families revolving around the matriarch in the distant past? It sure as hell wasn't me, lol. Anyway, I'd like to hear an example of the Flintstones revolving around Wilma, because most family units that I can think of were very heavily dependant upon the male gathering food and providing protection for the family. I don't think this has anything to do with the gender argument as it is unreasonable for anyone to suggest that men consciously assumed a certain role in family life. This is not the sort of gender bias that I am talking about.
'It's not a question of what gender dictates, but what reality dictates' - wow really put your foot in it there! The present reality is not some sort of conscious entity which dictates how we should live our lives. Reality is a direct product of our past actions and our current situation was to some degree 'directed' by people. Society is not all that constraining when you really think about it. Give me an example where reality 'dictates' your behavious and how society forces you to behave in a manner that you find uncomfortable. And then tell me that if you really wanted to, you couldn't change your behaviour to something more in-line with yourself. (if you want to walk around nude, you can always do so at a nude beach, want to behave like an idiot, you can join a circus).
I told you that I could talk with you for a long time and discuss a lot of things with you as well and you simply turn around and say 'you want the last word'. Well, if that's the way you treat every woman with whom you talk to, then I would assume that your emotional life is probably pretty vacant right now. It's a real shame that you can't find the courage to respect someone's opinion beyond that of 'no point talking to you if you're one of THOSE women'. It makes me wonder what you look for in a girl? Some brainless unopinionated high-school drop out who just wants to shop for shoes and have sex? Wow, can't wait to see you get married Warlock.
"...it usually denotes lack of will/arguments to finish a discussion, taking the easy way out." This is where you said that my sort of attitude denotes lack of deeper thinking. Funny because you immediately turn around and ask what the hell deeper thinking is anyway... It seems to me like the great 'Warlock Zedrin' is currently showing a lot of simplistic ideas and you are lacking in thought. It's rather pitiful because I thought that you could swim deeper than this... you must have small lungs syndrome!
My world is indeed very different to yours, I don't argue that (but I reckon mine is probably a lot better if you want to start something! LOL).
And it's not a pity that I can't catch your five o'clock news (what is it anyway? CNN? Blah, I can catch CNN anywhere anytime, lol!) because the news really does very little to change my life. It's on every day, I can usually expect the same drivel from the news team and to be honest, it lacks the impact that it should and rather desensitizes us to serious social issues. How can a newsreader talk in such a flat tone about a child who just died in a 'horrific' road accident an hour ago? You watch these things, you shake your head and you go back to the kitchen to finish dinner, no doubt thinking about your next heroes game. Hell I do it.
To be honest with you, you can keep your five o clock news and judging by the sound of things, I don't really want to know about Warlock Zedrin's cold-arsed passionless reality. I'd rather live in the Arctic and eat raw fish every day for the rest of my life.
And where the hell did I generalize women by assuming that they were all like me?! I am not stupid enough to do that Zedrin, perhaps you should go back over what I've written and tell me where I said 'women think just like I do'. Everything I said was in reference to myself and my own line of reasoning and you can pick it apart and attack it all you will, but please give your arguments some weight and credentials by quoting where appropriate (and I don't mean quote everything silly!).
Sure I generalize men, but these sweeping statements that I make I have often found to be true, I couldn't care less whether you disagree with me or love me for it. Men might just think 'well women can't do much else except go shopping and talk about hair all day and nails.' LOL I find that generalization to be true of a great deal many women I know (perhaps I should get new friends, lmao!) But at the end of the day, you can prove me wrong and I'll gladly take you out of my 'generalization' basket and put you in another box labelled 'interesting'.
I am by nature confrontative. Before I know you, I will stereotype you and see how you react to my whimsical judgements. I find that it puts most people on the defensive and uncomfortable around me, especially guys. The true test is how quickly does it take them to relax and show their true self.
You're still on the defensive, Zedrin. When are you going to show me some REAL passion?
*smile*
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zedrin
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posted July 09, 2001 04:28 AM |
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Lol.
I am always on the defensive Shae. I always expect the worst, and sometimes i am dissapointed when i doesn't happen.
I have very little time on my hands, and other issues with which to fill my waking hours. If i had not felt that i needed to reply i would not have replied.
What happened to fighting until the end? Depends where... a game of heroes is certainly not worth the trouble. I don't care that much about winning as to play a game that has stopped being fun. In the end we play games to entertain ourselves, do we not?
I rarely get mad because of a game i lost, even though i could've won it had i made a few minor adjustments. I don't get mad easily, though i admit to losing my temper at times. I can usually control my emotions long enough to calm down.
I don't say that i don't enjoy winning, but i prefer not humiliating an oponnent... It makes me feel almost guilty... i almost want to apologize for having better arts/more troops/enormous luck... almost.
You sure picked an example in the flintstones
Reality may not be conscious, but it is independent from us. When i say reality i mean the objective one, not the dream worlds we each create. Individually we have little control over it... change comes with numbers.
Come now Shae, if you hadn't been taught that killing is wrong or that life is priceless/worthless, if those things hadn't been imbedded into your subconscious, how do you know what would feel confortable?
Can you change such a behaviour? Would it feel confortable now to kill everything in sight? You no longer have the power to change... Who are you? Are you your own person or another's vision of what you should be?
My emotional life? Lol. I treat women with respect thank you very much, i try not to have any preconceptions about a person without knowing anything beforehand... And i do prefer women that can talk about things other than the latest craze in hair color/newest hit of some boy/girl band.
About marriage... now why spoil a perfectly good relationship? By imposing strict rules one invites disaster.
When i asked what is deep thinking i was reffering to my case, since i lack any skill in smalltalk. (not even basic level ) Probably has to do with isolation policy.
Perhaps your world is better... but i prefer a bit of anarchy.
A pity you can't catch the five o'clock news because they present a very real/truthful image of this world. And not, it's not CNN, 'tis a national tv. If i had to read that stuff every day i'd probably get desensitized... Wait a minute, i already am
Hmm, the Arctic, i always prefered winter to summer... can't stand this friggin heat.
"Sure I generalize men, but these sweeping statements that I make I have often found to be true"... So when you generalize men you speak from your own experience only? Funny that, i was doing the same thing with women lol.
"I am by nature confrontative."No...Really? I didn't notice. lol You should've met me in highschool... Everytime we were suposed to write an essay i was against the theme, always trying to dismantle it. It still is almost a tradition, i love upholding lost causes, simply because they offer a challenge...
But again my time runs short.
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"Blow wind! Come wrack
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Shae_Trielle
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posted July 09, 2001 08:53 AM |
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It seems that we are a bit closer in nature than I first thought, lol!
I did exactly the same in school, I hated the stuff that the teachers dished out to me and expected to write about about why something was 'wrong'. I got much higher marks than the rest of the class for actually turning the argument around and writing about 'well what if it's not really wrong?'
I enjoy lost causes too. It's great to see that you do have some passion in you after all and you do like a good challenge. Not that my opinion really matters, lol.
I agree that we are in a sense, products of society, but society is designed to be comfortable. What do you have without society? 4 billion individuals united in nothing except the fact that they share one planet. If there were no rules, then I would be the first to admit that life would be far too scary to contemplate. If everyone was allowed to roam free and do as they please, then there'd be a lot of blood on a lot of hands, honour would be non-existant for all except the rare few.
Think about it. If you could do whatever you wanted whenever you wanted, life would be rather cool. But if everyone else was allowed the same freedom... How can you possibly do what you want if everyone else is doing their own thing?
You cannot know the meaning of freedom if there is no such thing as captivity.
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posted July 09, 2001 08:41 PM |
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It is typical rebellious nature and common to many in schools across the globe I would imagine. It sure doesn't strike me as special to "go against the grade," but more as I said typical....yet in a more minority type status. Some are more rebellious than others and many just comply for a variety of reasons we could go many pages on and still produce nothing more than what we pretty much already know.
Anyhow, here's to knowing where you are coming from a bit.
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pluvious
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posted July 09, 2001 09:06 PM |
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I agree a bit with Deth (the guy not the eternal sleep). Personally I don't consider people original or interesting if they simply try to be unusual or "go against the norm". This is cliche and just another way to try to fit in. If I see myself doing this I regroup, do some thinking, and basically just continue to try to think on as many levels as possible. Its a hard life for those who truly don't fit in and I admire those who try it. But most need acceptance by others (myself included), and thusly work to find it.
Anyway, I'm always searching...and I don't always know what holds meaning and what doesn't. One thing I do know is I find it shallow when I see thinly veiled attempts to gain acceptance disguised as some kind of sedition. And I have seen much of this on this mini world we call the heroes community. But maybe there is nothing wrong with shallowness? I hope that is not the case.
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zedrin
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posted July 10, 2001 09:42 PM |
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Lol, i didn't do that because i wanted to be original, i did it because i had a reputation to uphold, and it was the only thing that kept me interested long enough to finish it.
You must understand that we had little or no choice in the subjects we took, we were all thrown in one pot.
But then again i was always rebelious, and hated it when people followed my example. I did what i liked, if i couldn't than i did nothing at all. If i didn't feel i could add something new to a subject i spun around and acted as a counterbalance.
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posted July 10, 2001 11:18 PM |
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rebellion is so common thats it not rebellious to be rebellious
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