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Mocara
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posted May 11, 2001 10:13 AM |
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And you are the same idiot who jumped my a.s.s. for telling Jinxer what a d.i.c.k he is?
No wonder you are defending him.
You guys are a just alike.
Both full of hate.
I can't wait til your karma comes back on you.
-Mocara
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Zedrin
Known Hero
Ping pong goes the gong
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posted May 11, 2001 11:56 AM |
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Mocara,Mocara...
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And you are the same idiot who jumped my a.s.s. for telling Jinxer what a d.i.c.k he is?
No wonder you are defending him.
You guys are a just alike.
Both full of hate.
I can't wait til your karma comes back on you.
-Mocara
Jinxer only said that the game was getting kinda dull for him, expressing a personal opinion, not an absolute truth and you jumped him.
I cannot hate an opinion or idea as i have said, much less hate a thing that cannot answer back in kindness. Jinxer didn't even say he disliked the game, said he was bored with it. Is that so hard to comprehend?
Your outburst on the zone was uncalled for and not quite diplomatic. That is one quality i never lacked when i had... targets.
Hehe, can't wait myself for the karma to kick my ass, kinda bored lately, no new targets.
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"Blow wind! Come wrack
At least we die with harness on our back" - Shakespeare, Macbeth
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Mocara
Famous Hero
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posted May 12, 2001 03:35 AM |
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No I stand by my points.
There was no OUTBURST on the zone as you put it.
I merely stated that if Jinxer thinks the game is so full of "glitches" and so "dull" then maybe he should find another game.
How is that an outburst?
It is an insult to the game the way he speaks of it and the point is a good one.
If you want to see the word outburst in action check out Jinxers posts on the hit and run thread.
Unprovoked at that.
You are sitting here telling a story about how you had an innocent person ostracized for fun then judging my diplomacy.
I stand by my opinion.
-Mocara
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dArGOn
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posted May 12, 2001 03:44 AM |
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Zedrin,
I enjoy exchanging opinions with you but I got to say...your post about hating someone so much and being that capriciously cruel I think brings us back full circle to the original topic. That type of behavior is dishonorable.
I try to focus hate on ideas not people. Hate of ideas is the true purpose of hate in my opinion. Hate of slavery, hate of murder, hate of child abuse, etc. Hate can be a powerful source to change the world for the better...but hate of people in such a manner you described seems just sad and pitiful.
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arachnid
Promising
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posted May 12, 2001 01:32 PM |
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No I stand by my points.
There was no OUTBURST on the zone as you put it.
How is that an outburst?
It is an insult to the game the way he speaks of it and the point is a good one.
If you want to see the word outburst in action check out Jinxers posts on the hit and run thread.
Unprovoked at that.
You are sitting here telling a story about how you had an I merely stated that if Jinxer thinks the game is so full of "glitches" and so "dull" then maybe he should find another game.
innocent person ostracized for fun then judging my diplomacy.
I stand by my opinion.
-Mocara
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And you are the same idiot who jumped my a.s.s. for telling Jinxer what a d.i.c.k he is?
No wonder you are defending him.
You guys are a just alike.
Both full of hate.
I can't wait til your karma comes back on you.
-Mocara
well if you never made an outburst before you really have now! Why are you calling him names if all you said was that he could try another game if he dislike the glitches and thinks its dull? Too me it sound like your a full of hate as well.
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Zedrin
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posted May 12, 2001 06:38 PM |
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And this is becoming fun again...
Hate is a powerful incentive... it is the oposite of love...and oposites attract, for what one lacks, the other has.
In the last few years i've noticed a decline in "real" emotions. I simply don't care anymore. I've been called cold hearted, i've been called old, i've even been called ancient.
Hatred was nice at the time, gave me an ocupation, gave me a target at which to focus my energy. Now i'm all out of energy, but i can't say i'm sorry for what i did, thought or felt. It was the case then and it may be the case in the future. To say otherwise would be a pure example of hypocrisy, which is one of the few things i detest.
If one would ask me what is the oposite of honour i would call hypocrisy.
But as always, things matter little. People judge acording to their conditioning, a thing which cannot be prevented.
Have fun
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"Blow wind! Come wrack
At least we die with harness on our back" - Shakespeare, Macbeth
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deth8
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posted May 12, 2001 07:50 PM |
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A seared conscience?
Zedrin,
Maybe the growing numb to emotions you describe is that resulting from a seared conscience?
There are psychological terms that relate to antisocial behavior or searing of the conscience a couple being sociopath and borderline personality. I am sure dargon might be able to explain better on this which I mention.
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deth8
Promising
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posted May 12, 2001 08:01 PM |
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outburst
Mocara, upon first read it is easily taken you just had a small outburst here. On second it is easy to see that you a passionate person and use strong speech. Unfortunately, in print it can be and often seems to be taken more harshly then the intent. When the banned words start coming in I see the passion in that but that is a good time to think that people will think you are being inordinately aggressive and then take offense I have found. Wadda ya think?
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zedrin
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posted May 12, 2001 08:13 PM |
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Seared conscience
That may very well be. It may also be a form of conditioning that i have imposed on myself.
Long ago i decided not to let emotions rule most of my part. I prefer cold logic to "warm" feelings. Couldn't quite succeed in eliminating all of them then, but i continued to try. With time some of them were indeed numbed while others buried too deep to surface, even when needed.
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"Blow wind! Come wrack
At least we die with harness on our back" - Shakespeare, Macbeth
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dEth8
Promising
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posted May 12, 2001 08:17 PM |
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Are there some painful events in your past that you can associate with this transition Zedrin?
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woods
Adventuring Hero
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posted May 12, 2001 09:19 PM |
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no offense to a.o.
but
mocara pls stand by your opinion
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pls stand by your style
-woods
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zedrin
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posted May 12, 2001 09:30 PM |
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Painful events?
Nah... i was always "strange'. I like to be alone, it helps me think.
I was encouraged to think for myself and as a result i despise anyone who tries to impose their belief on me.
But painful events? Nope, none that i can think of. Only one sentence remains intact in the vortex that are my memories:"Always expect the worst." I've lived my life around this statement, and so far it hasn't let me down.
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"Blow wind! Come wrack
At least we die with harness on our back" - Shakespeare, Macbeth
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pandora
Honorable
Legendary Hero
The Chosen One
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posted May 13, 2001 12:27 AM |
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Its sad to see a topic discussing what honour is has turned so ugly. From the name of the thread i expected it would be a very positive one - and reading these last posts has been fairly depressing.
As a parent, reading Warlock's post on deciding to hate a person just for the fun of it, and making others do so for his amusement .. well that made my stomach churn. I think to myself, what if my own children's childhoods are tarnished by such cruelty? I couldn't bear it.
Hate is not a word i take lightly, just look though our history to see what damage has been done by hatred...
As for the original topic, i don't think its possible to come up with one definition that may apply to all people. To me, being honourable means always striving to be the best person i can be, being honest with others and to myself, and trying to do the right thing, even when the 'right' option may be difficult to choose. But we are all different, what i may believe to be the right thing, and the values and morals i believe in, are not neccessarily the same as someone else's. So i guess my point is that honour is personal, and no set of rules can really ever be defined.
I do think however, that honour is not a hat you can take off and on as you feel like, if you want to live your life honourably by whatever definition you set from yourself, you should not just do so some of the time, honour is all of the time
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Shae_Trielle
Honorable
Famous Hero
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posted May 13, 2001 03:37 AM |
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To WZed
I know what it's like to hate someone.
I mean full blooded hate, not the kind of hate that you're talking about Zed. I read your post and I kinda laughed about it, because it was obvious to me that your supposed 'hatred' of someone 'for no reason', wasn't really hatred at all, just an extreme form of dislike.
This post has become really sad. Zedrin, you said that you can't say your sorry for what you did, thought or felt and to do otherwise was hypocrisy. You then said that the opposite of honour was hypocrisy.
I never knew the feeling of regret to be hypocrisy. Feeling sorry for a mistake that you made is one of the most honourable things you can feel.
I think you're the hypocrite, because you have no idea what honour is all about and you have no idea of the meaning of hate. Hate is an emotion that comes straight from the heart, there is no logical decision to hate someone 'for no reason'. You said that you prefer cold logic to make the decisions for you. I know people like this, they're the emptiest, lamest people I know and every argument about life that they throw up is a passionless house of cards that can be blown down with the simplest of heart-felt replies.
To Zedrin, maybe Heroes is not your thing anymore. Somewhere out there, there's a game which would suit you down to the ground and reflects you far more accurately than a game of Honour.
I think it's called Half-Life.
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dArGOn
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posted May 13, 2001 07:15 AM |
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My friend Pan
Your definition of Honor was awesome….very good indeed…until you stated: “But we are all different, what I may believe to be the right thing, and the values and morals I believe in, are not necessarily the same as someone else's. So I guess my point is that honor is personal, and no set of rules can really ever be defined.”
It was there that I would disagree as I have noted earlier Moral relativism doesn’t really take us anywhere closer to an understanding of honor. If each person has their own morality then that means that there is no agreed upon morality at all. If there is no standard of morality then all concepts of honor and recognizing honor becomes mute in my opinion.
What is the purpose of discussing honor unless we can attempt to come up with a standard to which we not only can hold ourselves accountable to but also others? If one set of personal ideals/values is as good as the next persons then why aspire towards one's values at all? They seem to me to become meaningless if they can be held arbitrarily.
Also personal values seem to make your following point ineffective (see next paragraph). If values are only personal then what if on one day a person thinks they are important and then if in the next day they don’t quite fit in with one's life tranquility and general “happiness”? Then the values are then dumped in favor of a new personal value that may not be so difficult to follow at the time.
I did like your point that whatever honor is, it must be applied consistently even in the face of hardship or trial But then to me that is not just a personal value but one I would hold up that we should all emulate.
Take care
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dArGOn
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posted May 13, 2001 07:29 AM |
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Zedrin I was sad to hear that you “don’t care anymore”. What a dreadful place to be in my opinion. It would also help explain your attraction to hate as an experience that made you feel alive. Fortunately there are many other emotions that can make you feel just as alive and contribute to the common good (love, service, thankfulness, empathy, etc.)
It seems to be true in your case it would be hypocritical for you to regret your hate. This is most likely due to a total absence of empathy. I have worked with many people in your situation and it saddens me as it seems to rob people of their humanity. While empathy is usually nurtured or not in early childhood I would encourage you to rage against your apparent lack of empathy as life can be full of meaning if we seek it. Well enough psychoanalyzing
You also are quite correct in your findings that your belief “always expect the worst” has always come true. It is a self fulfilling prophecy that is usually designed to defend ourselves from painful emotions in the past and those that will come in the future. Wait I thought I said I would stop anaylizing
Well you are an honest person at the very least and that I truly respect.
BTW you seem to believe yourself to be “coldly logical”…but hate of others is not very logical…particualrly in the personal example you described previously.
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Shae_Trielle
Honorable
Famous Hero
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posted May 13, 2001 08:21 AM |
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Dargon seems to have it spot on. Each to their own does indeed make society a bit useless and a value like honour even more useless.
Like I said earlier, you all know what honour is. Just like you can all draw a picture of a house. The pictures may vary some, but they all have the same fundamental principles don't they?
And I don't want anyone drawing a Troglodyte lair and telling me that's a house!
*smile*
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pluvious
Promising
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posted May 13, 2001 09:08 AM |
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We know what honor is because we all live and talk and interact with other people who have heard and read and discussed the same ideas as we have. That's what a society is, and why honor is (like others have said) a part of that and not something deep within us or something silly like that.
But to a more interesting and important subject...Zedrin. I don't know if you have any more problems then the rest of us but the very fact that you brought up your supposed "belief" in hate as something acceptable is a bit unnerving. You may just be stating this to get a reaction and not really believe what you said. And if you are looking for sympathy you have it for me. Anyone who is so empty they think hate or hurting people for amusement is ok is a pretty sorry individual.
Hate and staying in your own head can sustain you at times, but it is nothing in comparison to sharing with others. Why else would you be posting here if not for recognition or understanding? I could go on but anyone who does not realize this and who has not lived in prison or in an arctic wasteland their whole life should know it. I'm logical myself...and a loner...but to say what you have said is sad. I hope you say you were kidding or somewhere along the line learn differently.
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Mocara
Famous Hero
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posted May 13, 2001 10:14 AM |
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Arachnid, don't confuse passion with hate.
This guy is speaking about singling out innocent people for hate and he is proud of it.
You think I should be diplomatic about that?
I feel passionately about many things but I hate only actions. Not people.
-Mocara
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Ichon
Responsible
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posted May 13, 2001 12:32 PM |
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Dullness
Well, this is an intersting thread, full of little personal vendettas and such, it's funny. I notice quite a few people mention how dull either they are finding the game itself, or the maps(which is an extension of the game I think). I found myself growing weary of hours spent fruitlessly when I was not able to complete a game due to either a crash, or someone running out of time. Also, only a few people were challenging to play. That was in season one... 2 years later the quality of play is much higher overall, but it should be after 2 years. However, I took all of season 2 off and played other games, and I haven't been playing much season 3 either for the same reason. I still like playing, but it is not as interesting as it once was. I am waiting for H4 pretty much now. I'll play a game here and there, but hard to find a ToH match that isn't random or too constrained by rules. It takes a different kind of mentality to play long, turn based games then the RTS so in vogue right now. Or even more, the new mix, adventure/rts/rpg in one game. I've been playing mostly Tribes2, Age2, and some older WWII strategy games for the past year or so. I still come back for Heroes3, but since so many people pay such attention to their score, it's not as fun to play ladder, but almsot all the best players ar in the ladder... so. I pay attention to the score myself, but I enjoy a good game far more. I've played maps as ToH game that I had never even seen against people who played them all of season 2 when I was gone- I've gotten 3 losses in this season because of that, but I also won 4 of them blind. That's the only way to make if fun for me anymore. I have all the common maps memorized, and usually I can memorize a map after playing it once. Some larger ones it takes two games. I dislike random however, it is too random... can end up with 3 towns next to you, but 0 mines. Stuff like that. Anyway- h3 is is still interesting, but more as a chess match then an exciting, intense form of entertainment. I like chess, don't get me wrong. But I rarely increase my heart beat in a good chess game like I used to in ToH that first season. Only Age2 is doing that for me right now... mostly because that game does have a counter to nearly everything- and finding out exactly what that "nearly" is with each civilization- awesome. I hope H4 is like that. I'll be playing it all the time if it is.
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