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Thread: Secrets of destruction revealed - playing Dungeon faction This thread is 61 pages long: 1 10 20 ... 30 31 32 33 34 ... 40 50 60 61 · «PREV / NEXT»
Edwin_Yang
Edwin_Yang


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posted January 27, 2008 04:53 AM

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Pathfinding is situational - but useful most of the time (helps underground, too)


but the underground terrain is dungeon's native terrain which won't take extra move points..

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godlyatheist
godlyatheist


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posted January 27, 2008 08:26 AM

Did TotE improve Elemental Chain? When I look in the console it says damage modifier 1.3. So does this mean elemental vision starts you off at 30% extra damage instead of 10%?

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Elvin
Elvin


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posted January 27, 2008 09:13 AM

Each level of irresistible spells gives now 10% instead of 5% bonus. Pretty good and noticeable.
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samiekl
samiekl


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posted January 27, 2008 11:03 AM bonus applied by Elvin on 18 Feb 2008.

Skill/perks priority for dungeon:

Expert destruction - master of fire, secrets of destruction, ignite
Expert enlightenment - intelligence, eagle eye, the one that gives +2     spellpower, NOT mana

Only after you get those you try to get something else, depending on what you're facing.
1. logistics-swift mind, then sorcery and luck-warlocks luck vs academy, inferno, heaven, necro, dwarves
2. logistics-swift mind, attack-tactics, sorcery vs elves
3. dark/light, sorcery, summoning, vs orcs


You dont need to take +mana perks, because your goal should be to have extreme spellpower, not great knowledge. Depending on what secrets of destruction gives you, you build mage guild and get back to town. If SoD gives you fireball, DONT build mage guild until you've built every other creature-dwelling, and DONT get back to town, just continue creeping.

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posted January 27, 2008 11:10 AM

I see.  Thanks for another great tip Mr. Samie!

All these times I am wrong focusing so much on knowledge.  I thought more mana is better than having more spellpower.  Because I feel I cannot creep well and fight the enemy if I have a bit less mana so I always make knowledge as my priority.  Well, now I know.  
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Doomforge
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posted January 27, 2008 01:58 PM

good tips samiekl, I pretty much think the same way, although +2 knowledge perk was quite useful with yrwanna a few times (I played a map with little wells, can't remember which but without mass mana at start my creeping would be rather slow - I couldn't rely on furies too much because I got a lot of ranged creeps here and there).

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samiekl
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posted January 27, 2008 03:49 PM

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(I played a map with little wells, can't remember which but without mass mana at start my creeping would be rather slow - I couldn't rely on furies too much because I got a lot of ranged creeps here and there).


Thats when stalkers get in. They are decent fighters and can kill shooters very easy, with losses of course, but you dont need them much later. I never destroy creeps early with magic only. Learn to save mana and you'll be ok. I dont remember if i ever had problems with mana, unless i didnt pay attention. Dungeon is not the kind of faction that can be played in the "cover your weakness" way. Extreme spellpower and high attack its the only chance dungeon has.
So, for people who dont like this kind of play (fast, agressive and risky) i suggest picking other faction.

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Doomforge
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posted January 27, 2008 05:11 PM

they weren't those kind of shooters you can get with stalkers only I know how to preserve mana, don't worry.

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samiekl
samiekl


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posted January 27, 2008 06:06 PM

Ok, just trying to help.

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akaihane
akaihane


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posted January 28, 2008 05:33 AM

Can anyone pls show me where i can get Hourglass map for tote , preferaby on megaupload? Please no speedyshare , it seems my country is banned from it.

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godlyatheist
godlyatheist


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posted January 28, 2008 07:30 AM

I'm unaware of a TotE version for hourglass, maybe it's a personal mod that hasn't gotten on the download sites yet?.

There's been a lot of talk about warlocks getting completely ownaged by dark spells. So I propose that a the racial perk Dark Ritual be changed to a skill that does the following: Warlock's troops gain 1% (or even 2%)magic resistance per point of spell power. Combined with magic resistance from luck and some arties you can get about 50% resistance. This at least gives you a chance against dark spells.

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watcher83
watcher83


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posted January 28, 2008 09:39 AM

invisibility + black dragons (hit&run) helps a lot against puppet or frenzy
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kermit
kermit


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posted January 28, 2008 10:50 AM

If you're lucky enough to get firewall (mage guild lvl 3 or secrets of destruction) and ignite early you can take on any shooter with just magic and stalkers except maybe rune patriarchs.

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akaihane
akaihane


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posted January 28, 2008 12:02 PM
Edited by akaihane at 12:04, 28 Jan 2008.

Stalker/black dragon hit and run tactic is too overpower imo. In fact, if you rush early, there's no need to hit and run. Just 7 stalkers will own everything in the way.I just played a game of battle of honor vs Sylvan and the 7 stalkers tactic did very well all the way to his base , i never even need to run. I think there's a need for an item that can see invisible? Shackle will prevent this hit and run tactic and even make him lose his main hero but if you can clear all in 3 turns then you won't need to run.

Btw if there's no tote version of hourglass , can someone upload the normal one to a non speedyspace site pls?

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Doomforge
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posted January 28, 2008 12:02 PM

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There's been a lot of talk about warlocks getting completely ownaged by dark spells.


melee warlocks get owned by dark, but who even tries to make full-melee warlock nowadays?

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Elvin
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posted January 28, 2008 12:09 PM

I just wish it was possible. Anyway an artifact that can dispel invisibility is not needed, all factions have their ways. Aoe, cotn, rain of arrows, charging their units ahead etc.
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Edwin_Yang
Edwin_Yang


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posted January 28, 2008 12:36 PM
Edited by Edwin_Yang at 12:37, 28 Jan 2008.

heard of that rain of arrows will not work on invisible creatures any more in 3.1

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Elvin
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What if Elvin was female?
posted January 28, 2008 12:42 PM

That's actually good, it's a cheap way to finish off a warlock with that. Any other things you may have heard?
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ChaosDragon
ChaosDragon


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posted January 28, 2008 01:02 PM

curse of netherworld

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kermit
kermit


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posted January 28, 2008 01:56 PM

Considering avengers guild, a warlock doesn't need to split his stalkers, just keep them in one stack and 20-30 of them should be enough to wipe out sylvain with spells provided you have something better than eldrich arrow.

CotN is not likely to happen, because it means oponent has lvl5 mage guild AND expert dark. Necro is the only reasonable candidate for that, but even necro won't probably have mage guild lvl 5 until end of week 3 or early week 4.

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