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Miru
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A leaf in the river of time
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posted June 09, 2007 06:44 AM |
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Type 2) Awful aka Narxes
No... just no...
He can't get arcane omnipotence or XL maps, but aside from that, I shake my head.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted June 09, 2007 11:59 AM |
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The fact remains, Jhora starts the game with sorcery, this is good. Her specialty as almost every hero in the game, save the true machinists is mediocore.
Heroes who start with skills you will pick anyway regardless of the frequency you will see the skill are good. Specialties in this game come in 2 shapes and sizes.. Type 1) Overpowered AKA Deleb Type 2) Awful aka Narxes.. Wether the special is good or not is not a main concern with a hero. I assure you that if deleb were to start with her iron maiden specialty and hmm lets say.. summoning magic she would be awful, you'd still be able to creep that little bit faster but when it comes down to it you have a completely useless skill slot.
As for the ATB bar, in Jhoras case elvin is 100% correct. If you want to get ahead on that atb bar MORE frequently than another hero, Jhora is the one to take, theres no argument here. Random or not, Jhora will act before a unit with init 12 more time in a game than any other hero in the game will.. right or wrong? Is this specialty awe inspiring or over powered? Of course not, and thank god it isn't.
This was actually a really good post!  I especially like the last part, because it emphasizes what most people tend to overlook: Hero specialities should not be game-breaking, they should just be something that gives you a slight boost in one area which you like to specialize in!
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sdfx
Famous Hero
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posted June 09, 2007 01:09 PM |
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...and gets thrashed by sheer physical power 
..or it's more like
MotW, frenzy >>> sheer physical power
MotW, frenzy >> sheer physical power, 40 mana mass cleansing
MotW, frenzy < sheer physical power, 40 mana mass cleansing, 16 mana teleport
MotW, frenzy, blind > sheer physical power, 40 mana mass cleansing, 16 mana teleport
MotW, frenzy, blind, puppet >>> sheer physical power, 40 mana mass cleansing, 16 mana teleport
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Lesij
Famous Hero
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posted June 09, 2007 02:13 PM |
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Jhora sucks.
Agree with you. Have beaten her with Helmar, while playing against my friend...
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Moonlith
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
If all else fails, use Fiyah!
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posted June 09, 2007 02:35 PM |
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As for the ATB bar, in Jhoras case elvin is 100% correct. If you want to get ahead on that atb bar MORE frequently than another hero, Jhora is the one to take, theres no argument here. Random or not, Jhora will act before a unit with init 12 more time in a game than any other hero in the game will..
I would disagree there...
When I got my ass handed over to me on a plate when facing that Sylvan Hero, I had Jhora. Sylvan hero had might skills, no sorcery.
Both heroes around level 20.
And even so there was no or HARDLY any difference between hero turns during combat.
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feluniozbunio
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted June 09, 2007 02:36 PM |
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I like Jhora , shes one of my favorite academy heroes.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 09, 2007 02:56 PM |
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If you want to get ahead on that atb bar MORE frequently than another hero, Jhora is the one to take, theres no argument here. Random or not, Jhora will act before a unit with init 12 more time in a game than any other hero in the game will..
I would disagree there...
When I got my ass handed over to me on a plate when facing that Sylvan Hero, I had Jhora. Sylvan hero had might skills, no sorcery.
Both heroes around level 20.
And even so there was no or HARDLY any difference between hero turns during combat.
You didn't pay attention to what destro said. Not between turns but in the first round. The specialty helps you play first, not overwhelm your opponent with fast casting.
Yep she's one of my favourites as well 
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Lesij
Famous Hero
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posted June 09, 2007 03:18 PM |
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I like Jhora , shes one of my favorite academy heroes.
Maybe you like her so much, cuz her pic is kinda hot?
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted June 09, 2007 04:03 PM |
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the best thing about her is that she starts with sorcery and eldritch arrow, not her overestimated and poor special. But again, Nur has it too, and she has a way better special, so.. >_>
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Olo
Hired Hero
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posted June 12, 2007 12:43 AM |
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maybe we will do a little poll which academy`s hero is the best ?
i`ll start with 1st)Razzak ( it was obvious that i will choose him  )
2) Nathir
3) Jhora
i was thinking also about Havez, but i just don`t like him as a main hero ;p
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Miru
Supreme Hero
A leaf in the river of time
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posted June 12, 2007 02:38 AM |
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Jhora sucks.
Agree with you. Have beaten her with Helmar, while playing against my friend...
Means little. Who wins in a battle depends mainly on army, and the thinking / strategic abilities of the player. As alcibiades said, the special is that important (except for deleb who needs to be nerfed... after all they nerfed MotW, teleport, puppet master, academy's heavy hitters...)
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Destro23
Promising
Famous Hero
Keeper of GrongGrong
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posted June 12, 2007 04:49 AM |
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The best academy hero imo is Havez hands down.
But, I like to creep with war machines and I prefer to go the more controlling machinist type build. In which case Havez is a perfect hero.
Nur is also an amazing hero no question.
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PhoenixReborn
Promising
Legendary Hero
Unicorn
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posted June 12, 2007 06:03 AM |
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after all they nerfed puppet master, academy's heavy hitters...)
Can't agree with you on these. Puppet master is no longer dispelled when the unit is hit, that's a huge improvement. And I can't imagine what you mean by academy's heavy hitters? Example?
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted June 12, 2007 10:15 AM |
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The best academy hero imo is Havez hands down.
But, I like to creep with war machines and I prefer to go the more controlling machinist type build. In which case Havez is a perfect hero.
Nur is also an amazing hero no question.
absolutely agree. Havez + flaming arrows + artificed mass gremlins = incredible earlygame power. Almost unbeatable. Ofc it's hard to reach flaming arrows fast, but if you're lucky..
Nur on the other hand takes creeping with magic to another level. As you already know ;p
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Lesij
Famous Hero
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posted June 12, 2007 03:10 PM |
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Jhora sucks.
Agree with you. Have beaten her with Helmar, while playing against my friend...
Means little. Who wins in a battle depends mainly on army, and the thinking / strategic abilities of the player. As alcibiades said, the special is that important (except for deleb who needs to be nerfed... after all they nerfed MotW, teleport, puppet master, academy's heavy hitters...)
I was talking about duel game, no standard...
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DarkNecron
Tavern Dweller
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posted July 10, 2007 08:43 PM |
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WoW u guys are Pro
i play this game 0.5~1 years and Never get a Ultimate skill
and thinking u guys are realy pro in some races like Towermaster
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Sanyu
Known Hero
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posted July 11, 2007 03:01 PM |
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If you want to get ahead on that atb bar MORE frequently than another hero, Jhora is the one to take, theres no argument here. Random or not, Jhora will act before a unit with init 12 more time in a game than any other hero in the game will..
I would disagree there...
When I got my ass handed over to me on a plate when facing that Sylvan Hero, I had Jhora. Sylvan hero had might skills, no sorcery.
Both heroes around level 20.
And even so there was no or HARDLY any difference between hero turns during combat.
You didn't pay attention to what destro said. Not between turns but in the first round. The specialty helps you play first, not overwhelm your opponent with fast casting.
Yep she's one of my favourites as well
So you choose Jhora just to get the first hero turn??... is there much difference if you get your hero turn like, a few ATB bar turns later...?
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted July 11, 2007 03:08 PM |
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If Jhora plays before certain units or even the enemy hero she can cast a puppet master or cast a protection magic that can make all the difference. She won't really gain much time during turns but every little bit helps
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted July 11, 2007 06:56 PM |
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Hmm... so with "Swift Mind" basically every Dwarf can become Jhora.... niccccceee
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted July 11, 2007 07:25 PM |
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A high lvl Jhora 
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