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Doomforge
Doomforge


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Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
posted May 24, 2007 05:02 PM

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hahah nooo they are soo sweet , especially new models


True, I love the way they move their hips when walking Albeit I like the shadow witch only, both of the upgrades look too gothic-demonic for me ;p

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PhoenixReborn
PhoenixReborn


Promising
Legendary Hero
Unicorn
posted May 24, 2007 05:05 PM

Just quickly...it isn't really that hard to find a haven, sylvan, or academy castle to get light spells from.  Even if those castles aren't on the map you can still get spells from dwellings, so if you want to spend 3 level ups getting expert light magic, it might not be a bad choice...if you are offered light magic.

@Alcibiades: whose making the naming errors, Nival or Ubisoft? It's on Ubisoft's web site...nival never update their homm v web site.

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Geny
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What if Elvin was female?
posted May 24, 2007 05:26 PM

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whose making the naming errors, Nival or Ubisoft?

That's something I've been wondering about for a long time. Does Nival name the creature in Russian or in English? And who's responsible for translating it to other languages?
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alcibiades
alcibiades


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of Gold Dragons
posted May 24, 2007 06:39 PM

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@Alcibiades: whose making the naming errors, Nival or Ubisoft? It's on Ubisoft's web site...nival never update their homm v web site.


I don't know who's responsible of the exact wording in this case, actually. Maybe I blamed Nival unjustly here, it might be Ubisoft that put on those names.
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ZombieLord
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posted May 29, 2007 09:04 PM

Inferno Alternatives Comparison

Quasit seems to be better than Familiar, with more speed (+1) and more Defense. This means his ability is weaker.

Horned Leaper is almost the same, only with +1 Init (!) and some other abilities.

Firebreather Hound is just MUCH better than Cerberus, having Fire Breath ability in exchange only for -1 damage?

Succubus Seducer has +2 HP but -1 Init... Loses the Chain Shot ability but gains Seduce and Immune to Hypnotize

Hellmare trades Frightening Aura for Searing Aura, loses 1 Initiative and Defense but gains some damage.

Pit Spawn has much more Attack, +20 HP AND +2 Speed (!), BUT it loses the spellcasting powers

And finally, the ArchDemon has more Att and Def than the ArchDevil, more HP but less init and speed.



The only one that I would choose always and even based on the current stats is that Hound... with Fire Breath + Three Headed Attack, it would devastate everything

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emilsn
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posted May 29, 2007 10:03 PM

It is a mixed pleasure about the inferno, some are fine others... bad!! - I don't get why they are more offensive and not defensive!
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watcher83
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Child of Malassa
posted May 29, 2007 10:30 PM

arch demon name really must go, first of all a devil is a devil
so it should be devil something
e.g. - Devil Marauder

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Orfinn
Orfinn


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Werewolf Duke
posted May 30, 2007 02:58 AM
Edited by Orfinn at 03:01, 30 May 2007.

As info said in another thread here nearby. The burning ones are devils, the new alternatives are demons.

By alcibaldes:

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Devils originate from the Infernal plane, and are traditionally lawful evil beings. The origin of Devils are the traditional christian mythological beings, like Lucipher, the fallen Angel, and the Devils are thus directly opposed to the Angels. The Infernal plane is also what is commonly refered to as "Hell".

Demons on the other hand originate in the Abysmal plane, and are chaotic evil beings. Demons can be considered destructive incarnations of various aspects of nature - that can be Ice Demons, Fire Demons, Spider Demons, or something else.

The two species, albeit somewhat similar, are neither related nor allied.


I think I stick with this theory
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radar
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posted May 30, 2007 10:33 AM
Edited by radar at 10:40, 30 May 2007.

I decided to make my own quick overview of Inferno alternatives, comparing to old upgrades.

Quasit

+ 1 defence
min damage decreased by + 1, max damage increased by + 1
speed increased by + 1


- Siphon Mana

balanced? yes

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ability guessing: gives his own hero + 1 mana for every 2 mana points spend by enemy hero

Horned Leaper

defense decreased by 3
initiative increased by + 1


- Leap, Enraged

balanced? probably yes, depends on Leap

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ability guessing: can avoid psyhicall damage (?)

Firebreather

+ 1 defence
min & max damage decreased by 1


- Three-headed Attack, Fire Breath, No Enemy Retaliation

balanced? overpowered

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ability guessing: nothing to guess, if Fire Breath was Fire Brath

Succubus Temptress

health increased by + 2
initiative decreased by 1


- Shooter, Ranged Retaliate, Immune to Puppet Master, Seduce

balanced? yes

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ability guessing: makes creatures loosing their turn or hypnotizes them for short period (the second would be a little overpowered)

Hellmare

defence reduced by 1
min damage increased by + 2 and max by + 1
initiative reduced by 1
more expensive (+ 114)


- Fear, Searing Aura, Large Creature

balanced? yes

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ability guessing: Hellmare do not blaze like Nightmare, so I think it do not deals fire damage, maybe this aura decreases luck instead of morale

Pit Spawn

+ 5 attack
+ 2 defence
health increased by +20
speed increased by + 2
is not spellcaster anymore
cheaper by 184


- Axe of Slaughter, Magic-Proof (50%), Large Creature

balanced? a little overpowered

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ability guessing: a offensive ability for sure. My guessing is it gives additional damage to high level creatures

Arch Demon

+ 1 attack
+ 2 defence
health increased by + 12
initiative decreased by 1
speed decreased by 1
cheaper by 1000
*

- Flyer (Teleportation), Summon Other, Large Creature

balanced? probably yes, depends what Summon Other does

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ability guessing: summons another devil?

* - probably all level 7 creatures will be cheaper by 1k

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Doomforge
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posted May 30, 2007 11:37 AM

updated the first post, short this time ~~

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radar
radar


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Legendary Hero
Castle/Haven player
posted May 30, 2007 11:48 AM
Edited by radar at 11:56, 30 May 2007.

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Cerberus vs. Firebreather
Has firebreath in addition to three-headed attack, so in theory it may hit a lot.. but only in theory. I don't think it's possible to hit THAT much of enemy creatures, besides, his damage lowers to a point where it becomes abysmal. I'd stick with cerberi.


say 'bye, bye' to protected shooters

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It is a mixed pleasure about the inferno


yeah, mixed pleasure

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I don't get why they are more offensive and not defensive!


It was always offensive

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Erutan_Revol
Erutan_Revol


Hired Hero
who stays in a treehouse
posted May 30, 2007 12:06 PM

So true,So true

but the thing is that how does a devil become a demon?

A demon is lvl.2 creature for Inferno,so Arch Demon should be Lv.2 upgrade.doesnt make sence does it?

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emilsn
emilsn


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posted May 30, 2007 02:59 PM

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I don't get why they are more offensive and not defensive!


It was always offensive


I was thinking, since the now Inferno is all about KILLING, destroying and mutilate their enemies. But these guys are even more offensive, which makes no sence. Why? Because Dungeon was more defensive, Sylvan was more offensive- There was a pattern, now its gone...

and nice schedule you made ... It gives good picture of the things... And about that Leaper, i think leap means: an ability that makes him jump 5- alot tiles and then loses a turn or something... And then it can att. next round... sad it got no defense so it will die quickly...
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atma6
atma6

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posted May 30, 2007 05:53 PM

I think leap is one of two things. It is either an ability that lets the creature go much farther on the battlefield, or it is an ability similar to battle drive.
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Serpent2
Serpent2


Famous Hero
Overlord of Tililea
posted May 30, 2007 08:27 PM


Emerald Dragon vs Gay Dragon
To make a long story short, gay (rainbow) dragon is wayyyyyyyyyy cheaper when it comes to gold, and comes with gay breath contrary to not-very-useful earth immunity (except for battling warlocks ofc..) and acid attack. Gay dragons have similiar stats to emerald dragons (they are a bit weaker, but only a tiny bit), so it all depends on that breath thingie.
verdict: not again

HOW DO YOU MEAN GAY DRAGONS

About the Topic, I don't like the Fact that alternatives are almoast always better then their ancestors! I think each of the upgrade versions should be better then the other one in something, weeker something and equal in other things, so that when you have to choose it will be a metter of strategy like in H4. Once TotE is out modders ought to fix that!

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alcibiades
alcibiades


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of Gold Dragons
posted May 31, 2007 12:18 AM

Notice that everything seems to indicate that the price of all level 7 units will be reduced by approximately 1000 Gold. The Rainbow Dragon will be comparable to the Emerald Dragon in price.

I actually think they have accomplished what you say pretty well with most units - one alternative will have a more offensive edge, and the other a more defensive one. I think they do pretty good so far.
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watcher83
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Child of Malassa
posted May 31, 2007 11:17 AM

besides the gold reduction also you will only need 1 resource instead of two

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dschingi
dschingi


Famous Hero
the guy with the dragon golem
posted May 31, 2007 12:31 PM

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besides the gold reduction also you will only need 1 resource instead of two

Who told you that?
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watcher83
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Child of Malassa
posted May 31, 2007 12:33 PM
Edited by watcher83 at 12:34, 31 May 2007.

look at the price for red dragon

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dschingi
dschingi


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the guy with the dragon golem
posted May 31, 2007 12:43 PM

It doesn't say anything about rare resource costs. Please explain your statement.
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