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roy-algriffin
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posted December 05, 2007 06:40 AM |
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speculating is fun and is one of those things we do in life if nothing else.
If you always said "but theres no chance" and "It will never happen" computers wouldnt exist and there would be no such thing as an economy.
Gimme a break ..those comparisons are hilarous.
How old are you?
Bringing age into it is disrespectful as it does nothing except provoke me and is no reasonable argument on your part.
Computers wouldnt exist, Because lets face it 70 years ago such a thing was beyong even imagination. People wouldnt think about such a thing. And if the people who came up with the idea listened to the world around them, Computers would not exist.
The economy today is mostly based around taking risks and taking loans and hoping for the best and that you will make money. Thats pretty much what capitalisim is all about . So Economy wouldnt exist either if you looked at some of th epeople who failed at it and said theres no chance it will work.
Its called innovation my friend, its centered around the fact that nobody else thinks it will work but it ends up being amazing.
Anyway if you want to disagree with someone the best template for it should be something on the lines of
I disagree with you on point _____ Because of :______ and i think it may be better to ______
And not
I think this idea is stupid and you are lying to everyone. Would you prefer someone arguing with you using the first or the second/
And dont you dare be idiotic and misinterpret it intentionally. If its not helpful thats fine but thats no reason to go around mocking everything.
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Ironfist_109
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posted December 05, 2007 10:05 AM |
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umm, back on que
i think we should get back to the matter at hand. Ubisoft and why won't they listen to us. i got a wimpy message back from them saying that my idea had been passed on to the development team, but i don't believe that for a second. what we need is a petition of online gamers if we want to get their attention.
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dimis
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posted December 05, 2007 06:23 PM |
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Computers wouldnt exist, Because lets face it 70 years ago such a thing was beyong even imagination. People wouldnt think about such a thing. And if the people who came up with the idea listened to the world around them, Computers would not exist.
False because the idea of computers is simply tooooo old. Actually it appears ever since the first people on earth, simply because people had to compute / enumerate things. If you want to elaborate on that create a thread on the other side or in tavern and we can talk about it there, so that we don't destroy this thread.
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The economy today is mostly based around taking risks and taking loans and hoping for the best and that you will make money. Thats pretty much what capitalisim is all about . So Economy wouldnt exist either if you looked at some of th epeople who failed at it and said theres no chance it will work.
I don't know; but I am prone to believe that you don't know either, based on the previous example.
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Its called innovation my friend, its centered around the fact that nobody else thinks it will work but it ends up being amazing.
Lecturing? How many "innovations" ended up in a trash can? That's what Xarfax is pointing out. What is the potential of actually implementing such a game? Anyway, I really don't care whether you port Heroes on DS (<-which I don't know what is  ), or not, so I 'll try to stay out of your conversation. I simply felt I had to say something, that's why I make this post. I wish you my best, but think about the chances (and all related factors) that you have on implementing such a game.
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Anyway if you want to disagree with someone the best template for it should be something on the lines of
Now an 11-year old guy will tell someone who is on its 30s how to argue ... LOL 
What else?
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posted December 05, 2007 07:01 PM |
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Personally, I'd expect one of the more modern Heroes simply because HoMM III, although arguably the best, or one of the best, of the series is just too old to sell with most people who want "t3h graphickz!" It wouldn't be good business sense, unfortunately.
Perhaps you could tag items such as resources with a symbol that is clearly visible? Or just overexaggerate them, maybe.
ok, heroes 3 has bad graphics, but for the ds they're pretty good.
they could make some slight changes, but not too big.
it would **** the atmosphere...
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mamgaeater
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posted December 05, 2007 07:38 PM |
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The economy today is mostly based around taking risks and taking loans and hoping for the best and that you will make money. Thats pretty much what capitalisim is all about . So Economy wouldnt exist either if you looked at some of th epeople who failed at it and said theres no chance it will work.
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I don't know; but I am prone to believe that you don't know either, based on the previous example.
Economy is Las vegas without the colors... edward thorp became a millionaire because he had a principle called High low which is illegal in casinos worldwide because it works so well.
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on topic: i hope it will have alt upgs!
castle
pikeman spearman!!! alt will be pikeman.
arbalast
vindicator
frenzied griffon
missionary
paladin
seraphim
rampart
Guardian
War Dwarf
Ranger
Bellephron
Treant
Diamond-horn
Crystal dragon
tower
Gremlin tinkerer
granite gargoyle
Electrum golem(electrum is silver+gold)
Scrollmender
Lamp mystic
djinni
daughter of Kadru
Gigante (check greek mythology  )
necro
Ankou
Bokorante (check zombie on wiki)
Banshee
Vampire lady
Archlich
Apocolyte
Marrow Dragon
inferno (omg i looked up kreegan and they are aliens )
Quasit
Hekagog
Garm (ty sith)
Oni (japanese demon out of ideas here)
Pit Spawn
efreeti Vizier
Azazel (king of devils in lore)
dungeon
Vent Digger
Stymphalian
argus
medusa matriarch
Slave driver
chimera
Onix dragon
fortress
gnoll skinner
lizard sarpia
namurofly (look up dragon fly)
Gazetaker (casts blind like uni spec)
Stheneury
vouivre
Scylla
stronghold
Goblin warrior
Direwolf rider
Orc Ravager
Warchief
Vultroce
Polyphemi
Mighty behemoth
conflux
Mana drinker
Ozone elemental
river elemental
Flare elemental
lava elemental
Aether elemental (aether is the fifth element, it is space)
white Pheoni (lose rebirth)
just my ideas
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posted December 05, 2007 07:54 PM |
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alternatives?
maybe...it's your choice, and i began liking it!
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posted December 05, 2007 08:00 PM |
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well i like YOUR names...
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mamgaeater
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posted December 05, 2007 08:03 PM |
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well i like YOUR names...
half of them are nfrom mythology or other games.
Apocolyte
Horseman of the apocolyspe
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acolyte
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Apocolyte
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posted December 05, 2007 08:07 PM |
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well, sounds cool, doesn't it?
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krammitman
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posted December 05, 2007 10:20 PM |
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Why not?
The point is that Either way the more support this game has the more feesable the idea is. Obviously some don't support the idea, but enough do to make it happen. if you can make ubisoft believe that there is a large enough fan base to warrant such a game, then there's no way they would turn down the oppurtinity to generate buisness and re-spark interest in the franchise. But they have to have a belief that this can succeed. Ubisoft isnt into taking a whole lot of risks, if they aquire something they usually stick to the pre molded idea of said genre or franchise. (rainbow six has done little evolving over some 10 odd titles other than graphics and story line. and a few little gameplay changes.) After the sell of new world computing and 3D0 as the developer of the game many people have lost faith in the franchise (myself personally). how can they hope to match 4 great games and many expansions worth of experience on a genre they've never had before. But! if they re-release an old game with new ideas that already has the fan base maybe they can draw old fans into the newly directed franchise. To be honest I liked heroes V but i would much rather sit down and play an older heroes (heroes IV being my favorite). I know that it was their first attempt at the genre but i can't help but feel that it fell short on gameplay. there was nothing inovative except camera controls and graphics... Not enough to warrant evolution in the series. (where as there was always significant change from one game to another with 3D0) But I would certainly be one to buy an older game on a new platform with a few new ideas simply for the novilty, nastalgia, and maybe a few new ideas inter-mixed. If they can launch it succesfully and create some repeat buisness, I might continue to be interested in where the franchise may go in the hands of this Good (yet inexperienced) developer.
P.S. (I dont mean to say ubisoft is inexperienced because they're a major competitor but when it comes to this franchise which already has a fan base, its difficult to please a crowd thats already come to expect something else.)
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sith_of_ziost
Promising
Supreme Hero
Scouting the Multiverse
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posted December 05, 2007 10:22 PM |
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Please do not be offended, and Heroes 3 don't be offended. You may have old names, but some are just mediocre. If i disagree with something that was in fact in the original game, remember I am merely stating my opinion. As i've said before, I have not played heroes 3.
Okay Mamgaeater, I will asess your line-up. However, one comment I can make is this. Please direct whether the name is the original or the upgrade
Castle <-- Very uncreative name.
Pikemen/spearman: 
Arbalest (correct spelling):
Vindicator (if alt. ^grade):
Frenzied Griffin: 
Priest (too basic to be ^grade): 
Paladin: Depends on its upgrade status
Seraph/im/um (all are correct):
Rampart Names sound imba
Guardian: If an upgrade,
Red dwarf:
Sharpshooter (Elven is not needed):
Bellerophon (Rampart has Pegasi?): 
Treant: No comment
Elven Paladin: shouldn't copy names
Crystal Dragon: No comment
Tower Okay name.
Gremlin Tinkerer (Hmmm..): 
Granite Gargoyle: 
Bronze Golem (info: Bronze isn't strong):
Scrollmender: Orignal
Respectively, Genie Lord (together makes it GenieLord, and he'd get too inflated by something named after him):
Naga Vanguard: Inconsistent
Cloud Rider: Uncreative
Necropolis
Bone Thrower (nice rhyme scheme):
Zombie Knight (oxymoron): 
Banshee (where it belongs):
Vampire Lady (FINALLY!):
Archlich (As always, awesome):
Apocolyte (Very clever):
Zombie Dragon (2 zombie creatures?):
Inferno
Quasit (okay):
Hekakog (a what?):
Fenris Brood (doesn't fit):
Oni (Good):
Pit Spawn: No comment
Flame Bearer (uncreative):
Master of the Abyss (too long):  Rework
Dungeon
Deep Troglodyte (reptile?):
Siren (now a water nymph?):
Argus (Now we're talking):
Medusa (Matriarch implies rank):
Arena Minotaur (Again, rank):
Chimera ( ):
Onix Dragon (Good adaptation):
Fortress
Gnoll Skinner (huh?):
Lizard Longbows (bad name):
Basifly (notice you have basiLISK later):
Basilisk (again with the rank):
Gorgon (if you make it different enough from medusa):
Wyvern: No comment
Scylla (interesting tier position):
Stronghold
Goblin Warrior (good):
Direwolf Rider:
Orc Battlerager: Allright
Ogre Bloodfury (too many names in one):
Vultroce (which is what?):
Poylphemi (There is more than on Polyphemus?):
Mighty Behemoth (Had to come eventually):
Conflux PS: I will be VERY hard on this one.
Fairy:
Wind Elemental:
River Elemental:
Flare Elemental:
Lava Elemental:
Mana Elemental (don't go there):
White Pheoni (What?):
Any Questions?
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SwampLord
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Lord of the Swamp
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posted December 05, 2007 11:10 PM |
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We have Lizard Warriors, so why not Lizard Guards? Stronger than Warriors, but more expensive.
Ideally, I'd like to see Fortress get a higher-level shooter, as they have a small problem right now with their only shooter being Level 2.
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mamgaeater
Legendary Hero
Shroud, Flying, Trample, Haste
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posted December 05, 2007 11:42 PM |
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Please do not be offended, and Heroes 3 don't be offended. You may have old names, but some are just mediocre. If i disagree with something that was in fact in the original game, remember I am merely stating my opinion. As i've said before, I have not played heroes 3.
Okay Mamgaeater, I will asess your line-up. However, one comment I can make is this. Please direct whether the name is the original or the upgrade
Castle <-- Very uncreative name.
Pikemen/spearman:
Arbalest (correct spelling):
Vindicator (if alt. ^grade):
Frenzied Griffin:
Priest (too basic to be ^grade):
Paladin: Depends on its upgrade status
Seraph/im/um (all are correct):
Rampart Names sound imba
Guardian: If an upgrade,
Red dwarf:
Sharpshooter (Elven is not needed):
Bellerophon (Rampart has Pegasi?):
Treant: No comment
Elven Paladin: shouldn't copy names
Crystal Dragon: No comment
Tower Okay name.
Gremlin Tinkerer (Hmmm..):
Granite Gargoyle:
Bronze Golem (info: Bronze isn't strong):
Scrollmender: Orignal
Respectively, Genie Lord (together makes it GenieLord, and he'd get too inflated by something named after him):
Naga Vanguard: Inconsistent
Cloud Rider: Uncreative
Necropolis
Bone Thrower (nice rhyme scheme):
Zombie Knight (oxymoron):
Banshee (where it belongs):
Vampire Lady (FINALLY!):
Archlich (As always, awesome):
Apocolyte (Very clever):
Zombie Dragon (2 zombie creatures?):
Inferno
Quasit (okay):
Hekakog (a what?):
Fenris Brood (doesn't fit):
Oni (Good):
Pit Spawn: No comment
Flame Bearer (uncreative):
Master of the Abyss (too long): Rework
Dungeon
Deep Troglodyte (reptile?):
Siren (now a water nymph?):
Argus (Now we're talking):
Medusa (Matriarch implies rank):
Arena Minotaur (Again, rank):
Chimera ():
Onix Dragon (Good adaptation):
Fortress
Gnoll Skinner (huh?):
Lizard Longbows (bad name):
Basifly (notice you have basiLISK later):
Basilisk (again with the rank):
Gorgon (if you make it different enough from medusa):
Wyvern: No comment
Scylla (interesting tier position):
Stronghold
Goblin Warrior (good):
Direwolf Rider:
Orc Battlerager: Allright
Ogre Bloodfury (too many names in one):
Vultroce (which is what?):
Poylphemi (There is more than on Polyphemus?):
Mighty Behemoth (Had to come eventually):
Conflux PS: I will be VERY hard on this one.
Fairy:
Wind Elemental:
River Elemental:
Flare Elemental:
Lava Elemental:
Mana Elemental (don't go there):
White Pheoni (What?):
Any Questions?
white fire is hotter than normal...
you rated a few of current game names not my suggestions
inferno and dungeon were hard
i had no idea for unicorn alt
bellephron is from greek legend and would hate chimera vice versa yes rampart has pegasi
sharpshooter is already in game
arbalast was in Aok so it was easy to remember
vultroce i think is something of a vulture-roc
Sith please familiarize yorself with the game and creatures before rating. not exactly play it but at elast check them section.
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posted December 06, 2007 04:02 PM |
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about those gorgons, sith, they're no sisters of medusa. they're some kind of...i dunno. i'm dutch
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guarder
Supreme Hero
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posted December 06, 2007 07:49 PM |
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Medusa is a special character from greek mothology. She and her sisters are Gorgons
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sith_of_ziost
Promising
Supreme Hero
Scouting the Multiverse
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posted December 06, 2007 10:18 PM |
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Okay Mamgaeater I quote myself
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If i disagree with something that was in fact in the original game, remember I am merely stating my opinion. As i've said before, I have not played heroes 3.
Okay, but I will visit the Heroes 3 page...(looks at page)
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RATING CHANGE - Hekakog -
Naga - May have been in Heroes 3, but i stick to my point of inconsistancy.
Trog(lodyte)- As mentioned many times in threads, the Dungeon is very creature oriented not race oriented. Is your view of the Dungeon as the Creature Dungeon or the Dark Elf Dungeon?
RATING CHANGE - Gnoll Skinner -
Lizard Longbows - Still doesn't fit.
Mamgaeater, you said the Dungeon and Inferno was hard. The Dungeon seems fine, but the Inferno needs work. The following are a list of name suggestions.
Tier 3 Change- Garm: In Norse mythology, Fenrir was a ravenous wolf, but Garm was an actual hellhound. Garm fits better.
Tier 6 Change- Shaman/Pyric Shaman/Brimstone Shaman
Tier 7 Change- Simple switch to Abyssal Lord/Abyssal Master/ Abyssal Ravager
Unicorn Alt? How about this line Pegasus/Bellerophon/Pegasus Stallion
Side Note: Go AOK. Amazing game.
A vulture-roc? Odd, but workable.
Indeed, guarder. As a matter of fact, greek myth specifically mentions both of Medusa's Gorgon sisters.
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mamgaeater
Legendary Hero
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posted December 06, 2007 10:38 PM |
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Okay Mamgaeater I quote myself
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If i disagree with something that was in fact in the original game, remember I am merely stating my opinion. As i've said before, I have not played heroes 3.
Okay, but I will visit the Heroes 3 page...(looks at page)
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RATING CHANGE - Hekakog -
Naga - May have been in Heroes 3, but i stick to my point of inconsistancy.
Trog(lodyte)- As mentioned many times in threads, the Dungeon is very creature oriented not race oriented. Is your view of the Dungeon as the Creature Dungeon or the Dark Elf Dungeon?
RATING CHANGE - Gnoll Skinner -
Lizard Longbows - Still doesn't fit.
Mamgaeater, you said the Dungeon and Inferno was hard. The Dungeon seems fine, but the Inferno needs work. The following are a list of name suggestions.
Tier 3 Change- Garm: In Norse mythology, Fenrir was a ravenous wolf, but Garm was an actual hellhound. Garm fits better.
Tier 6 Change- Shaman/Pyric Shaman/Brimstone Shaman
Tier 7 Change- Simple switch to Abyssal Lord/Abyssal Master/ Abyssal Ravager
Unicorn Alt? How about this line Pegasus/Bellerophon/Pegasus Stallion
Side Note: Go AOK. Amazing game.
A vulture-roc? Odd, but workable.
Indeed, guarder. As a matter of fact, greek myth specifically mentions both of Medusa's Gorgon sisters.
unicorn alt can't be pegasus cuz thats ramparts tier 4
tier 7 inferno is a devil
troglodyte is the base tier one dungeon
k garm works
tier 6 is efreeti
heka gog is combo of gog and HEka gigantes from aom (gogs are very undescribed creatures.)
take another glance at creature list
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sith_of_ziost
Promising
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Scouting the Multiverse
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posted December 06, 2007 10:51 PM |
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I'm sorry. I had a brain fart when i posted the Unicorn Alts. Sorry.
Unicorn/Xanadu/Equina(latin)
As for your further comments on the creatures, I know what Heroes 3 creatures were (now). I am merely offering more grandiose or catchy names. K? However, one change one Tier 6 Inferno...
Tier 6- Efreeti/Pyric Efreeti/Brimstone Efreeti (kinda wierd but sounds cool).
Side Note: Aom is so much better than AoK.
But one question on the Hekagog. Will it have four arms?
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Legendary Hero
Shroud, Flying, Trample, Haste
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posted December 06, 2007 10:59 PM |
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I'm sorry. I had a brain fart when i posted the Unicorn Alts. Sorry.
Unicorn/Xanadu/Equina(latin)
As for your further comments on the creatures, I know what Heroes 3 creatures were (now). I am merely offering more grandiose or catchy names. K? However, one change one Tier 6 Inferno...
Tier 6- Efreeti/Pyric Efreeti/Brimstone Efreeti (kinda wierd but sounds cool).
Side Note: Aom is so much better than AoK.
But one question on the Hekagog. Will it have four arms?
oh srry... but some fans wouldn't like their favorite creatures names messed with... i still dont attack hydras early game because i forget they aren't level 7.
i dunno this is a disscussion on heroes ds i just posted what i think alts would be.
(ooc)i still play aom online but i play titans... my name is of course unnecessary to post(ooc)
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posted December 07, 2007 02:51 PM |
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exactly!
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i'm still out of any ideas.
i hate it!!!
%#$@^!^@&#%@$!
srry.
hehe...
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