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Macron1
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posted August 30, 2013 11:13 AM |
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Lord_Immortal said:
Triton
Tritons may be found in Harbor town lineup already.
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Warmonger
Promising
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posted August 30, 2013 11:16 AM |
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Macron1 said:
Lord_Immortal said:
Triton
Tritons may be found in Harbor town lineup already.
Well, I saw many creatures in many line-ups already, but so far the ONLY good, complete and released town in existence is Cove, others are still under development, abandoned or just not worth attention. Don't use an argument of hypothetical towns that don't exist at all 
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The future of Heroes 3 is here!
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Macron1
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posted August 30, 2013 11:48 AM |
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Edited by Macron1 at 12:11, 30 Aug 2013.
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Warmonger said:
Macron1 said:
Lord_Immortal said:
Triton
Tritons may be found in Harbor town lineup already.
Well, I saw many creatures in many line-ups already, but so far the ONLY good, complete and released town in existence is Cove, others are still under development, abandoned or just not worth attention. Don't use an argument of hypothetical towns that don't exist at all
Why they are hypothetical?
Here you can download archive with most of Harbor units:
http://storm-team.3dn.ru/load/haven_archive/haven_simulated_model/haven_simulated_model_ver_1_2/4-1-0-5
Triton is also here.
Anybody can create townscreen for it and play
PS Sanctuary Warrior is looking like goplit, I think it can be repainted and used in greek towns.
PS So Covenant, Fairy Town, Modern Forge, Grove are not good? Or not ready and released?
PPS I'm not mentioning 7th towns of Succession Wars.
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Lord_Immortal
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posted August 30, 2013 12:04 PM |
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Such a pity though for pyros... The only thing I like from VCMI is the Gog-Pyro...
My idea for the first two levels would be:
Grunt Soldiers->As slightly stronger, ranged version of goblins
Pyros->As a sligtly stronger, melee version of gogs
Then, I believe your other levels are:
Non-zombie-Cyborgs (Yay I agree)
4th-level, massive creatures from other fictional universes... Wookies? (joking, no idea)
5th and 7th level, I believe, we're dealing with Orb Robots(5th) and Guardians like Corak, Sheltem and Escaton(7th/8th) or Anubis-like Guardians again level 7/8
6th, remains, I believe, you will keep the Naga tank.
As for Cove(Regna) and Kronverk(Vori), I was thinking of less racial-based towns, which is a Heroes V feature, and more "Theme-based Towns", which are Heroes III feature...
Cove(Pirates yes, but with other Marine creatures):
Lv-1 Ok with current
Lv-2 Current Level 3 passes to level 2
Lv-3 Hoplite->Myrmidon (Tritons)
Lv-4 (Maybe one of the older versions
Lv-5 Ok with current
Lv-6 Kelpie->Dark Kelpie
Lv-7 Ok with current non upgrade, 1st upgrade may be 4th unit here
and 8th level a slightly improved version of the red one.
Kronverk(Norse Myth, not simply Dwarves, more exactly, Vori Elves)
Lv-1 Warg->Fenrir
Lv-2 Dwarf->Dwarf King(replace the Rampart ones with satyr)
Lv-3 Einherjar->Wulfheadnar(Human Warrior Spirits)
Lv-4 Alfar->Vorialfar
Lv-5 Troll(AB)->Jotun->Hrimthurs
Lv-6 Volva->Valkytrie
Lv-7 Aesir->Fimbultýr->Haptaguð(Lv 8)
P.S. Always supposing you will include 8th levels like in WoG
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Macron1
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posted August 30, 2013 12:07 PM |
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Lord_Immortal said:
As for Cove(Regna) and Kronverk(Vori), I was thinking of less racial-based towns.
Cove:
Lv-1 Ok with current
Lv-2 Current Level 3 passes to level 2
Lv-3 Hoplite->Myrmidon (Tritons)
Lv-4 (Maybe one of the older versions
Lv-5 Ok with current
Lv-6 Kelpie->Dark Kelpie
Lv-7 Ok with current, needs Lv8 though..
Kronverk(Norse Myth, not simply Dwarves, more exactly, Vori Elves)
Lv-1 Warg->Fenrir
Lv-2 Dwarf->Dwarf King(replace the Rampart ones with satyr)
Lv-3 Einherjar->Wulfheadnar(Human Warrior Spirits)
Lv-4 Alfar->Vorialfar
Lv-5 Troll(AB)->Jotun->Hrimthurs
Lv-6 Volva->Valkytrie
Lv-7 Aesir->Fimbultýr->Haptaguð(Lv 8)
I think you can already start creating new lineups. More units are better than less.
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Lord_Immortal
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DoR Dev Team
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posted August 30, 2013 12:16 PM |
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You may mock me as much as you want, but check this.
It's a 3d model for a Village/Town/City Hall and Capitol, for Vori/Kronverk. It is based on this.
The HotA team may try and texture and use it for any of its project. Made with Wings3D.
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Macron1
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posted August 30, 2013 12:19 PM |
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Lord_Immortal said:
You may mock me as much as you want, but check this.
It's a 3d model for a Village/Town/City Hall and Capitol, for Vori/Kronverk. It is based on this.
The HotA team may try and texture and use it for any of its project. Made with Wings3D.
I'm not mocking you. I'm serious.
I believe, that there people that can draw or 3d model units, that are not from HOTA crew
HOTA crew don't take units made by outsiders. So it must be tried by someone able.
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Lord_Immortal
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DoR Dev Team
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posted August 30, 2013 12:51 PM |
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Well, I'm a Mount&Blade modder, specialized on structures, buildings&interiors, and also on some weapons. My name in forums.taleworlds.com is ThaneWulfgharn, and here are my three masterpieces, the interior of the Red Keep(A Game of Thrones mod A World of Ice and Fire by produno),the interior of Gondor's Great Hall(The Veiled Stars, LotR mod) and the Seastone Chair(A Game of Thrones). You will see also one of my textures, Stannis' Armor(A Game of Thrones again), but made on a ready-model:
Red Keep
Red Keep
Red Keep
Minas Tirith Floor
Minas Tirith, Windows with Statue Placeholders
Minas Tirith, Throne Placeholder
Seastone Chair
The program I use for these is Wings3D and I can upload the models which only I and the mod developers produno (A World of Ice and Fire) and Jarvisimo(The Veiled Stars) have if you won't believe me.
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Macron1
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posted August 30, 2013 01:05 PM |
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Edited by Macron1 at 13:08, 30 Aug 2013.
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Lord_Immortal said:
Well, I'm a Mount&Blade modder, specialized on structures, buildings&interiors, and also on some weapons. My name in forums.taleworlds.com is ThaneWulfgharn, and here are my three masterpieces, the interior of the Red Keep(A Game of Thrones mod A World of Ice and Fire by produno),the interior of Gondor's Great Hall(The Veiled Stars, LotR mod) and the Seastone Chair(A Game of Thrones). You will see also one of my textures, Stannis' Armor(A Game of Thrones again), but made on a ready-model:
Red Keep
Red Keep
Red Keep
Minas Tirith Floor
Minas Tirith, Windows with Statue Placeholders
Minas Tirith, Throne Placeholder
Seastone Chair
The program I use for these is Wings3D and I can upload the models which only I and the mod developers produno (A World of Ice and Fire) and Jarvisimo(The Veiled Stars) have if you won't believe me.
I believe you.
So you are Mount & Blade modder.
I have than an important question to you.
There is a mod for M&B Warband
(http://mirwarband.ru/mount-and-blade-warband-mod/25-mount-and-blade-warband-rus-13-yy-vek.html)
There are some Russian warriors present (mounted and not mounted).
Can any of MB modders take 3D models of Russian warriors and convert them to HMM3 units (make isometric frames fitting Heroes 3 animation)?
Cause there are no Russian medieval warriors yet, and they are needed to some Kremlin-like faction.
I need at least degrade/upgrade (just two similar units from mod) of Russian mounted Bogatyr (warrior like this):
And pair of unmounted fighters also will be good.
Archers are also will be upreciated.
PS Sorry for offtop, but PM don't accept links and pictures...
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Lord_Immortal
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DoR Dev Team
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posted August 30, 2013 01:43 PM |
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In theory it can be done. However there are not many animators in the M&B community, except Papa Lazarou who made Combat Animation Enhanced and the russians from Crusader - Way to Expiation.
There is also a Polish Heroes III mod for M&B:W here.
But, to use material, the crew needs the modders' permission. Damon, the Rus 13th Century team leader has since June 18th not logging in the forums, but I may try to assemble parts from Narf's Rus Armor Pack (Open Source). The animation however would still remain in the hands of someone from the modding crew. I make the assembly in Wings3D, but only for dismounted units.
P.S. I thought Kremlin was finished in terms of units?
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Macron1
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posted August 30, 2013 01:46 PM |
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Lord_Immortal said:
P.S. I thought Kremlin was finished in terms of units?
Alex-under didn't give his units to Kremlin author. So Kremlin team now only has concept and some defs for map animation.
At least Kremlin author said in private he don't have not one unit done.
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Lord_Immortal
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DoR Dev Team
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posted August 30, 2013 02:00 PM |
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Ok. I'll see what I can do.
Also, three questions:
What will be the new lineup?
Can you send me the concept art for buildings?
How does the HC messenger work?(never figured it out)
P.S. If this goes well we may open a Kremlin thread here, and find some scripter to make it for VCMI.
Anyway, I was thinking of placing human units in lv 2 or 3 instead either Bear either Storytelling Cat and make some sort of Gorynych upgrades for level 7/8.
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Vade_Parvis
Known Hero
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posted August 30, 2013 02:06 PM |
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Quote:
Alex-under didn't give his units to Kremlin author.
Because Alex don't finished these units.
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted August 30, 2013 02:23 PM |
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Edited by Macron1 at 14:26, 30 Aug 2013.
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Lord_Immortal said:
Ok. I'll see what I can do.
Also, three questions:
What will be the new lineup?
Can you send me the concept art for buildings?
How does the HC messenger work?(never figured it out)
P.S. If this goes well we may open a Kremlin thread here, and find some scripter to make it for VCMI.
Anyway, I was thinking of placing human units in lv 2 or 3 instead either Bear either Storytelling Cat and make some sort of Gorynych upgrades for level 7/8.
I didn't yet created a concept art of dwellings for new Kremlin.
But I have some screens can be used as foundation.
I didn't planned to render any buildings in 3D, but if you are Mount & Blade modder, I think some dwellings can be taken from there.
Official Kremlin site is Woggrad.ru,
there are some photos and pictures of Kremlin architecture
(http://www.woggrad.ru/tmp/thumb.html).
I think now of some more human-like lineup, like in Castle.
Level 1 - peasants (maybe repaints of peasants)
Level 2 - some swordsman
Level 3 - archer
Level 4 - some war bears
Level 5 - Othodox Pope/Othodox Monk (maybe repaint of Castle monks)
(or some shaman (volhv) if we will do pagan Kremlin).
Level 6 - mounted bogatyr (warrior on horse)
Level 7 - Zmey Gorynych / Great Zmey Gorynych (there are already degrade from WOG and repaint for upgrade).
PS We don't need scripter for VCMI, because it's I'm
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Lord_Immortal
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DoR Dev Team
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posted August 30, 2013 05:00 PM |
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Sent this image to your messenger!
Of course, not as an image but as a copy-paste link.
It's a house for the Kremlin. I think the Kremlin should be the 3rd city in HotA, instead of Cathedral. Cathedral is too much race-based, just full of human-witch hunters.
And why don't you try talking again with Alex-ander. Try to convince him about giving us his units. I'll make most buildings for you. For me the idea about lineup was:
Homespirit->Hearthkeeper
Storyteller->Nightprowler
Bear->Royal Bear
Woodswitch->Baba Yaga
Wood Giant->Forest Guardian
Sirin->Alkonost
Gorynych(3 heads)->Zmey(7 heads)->Aždaja(9 heads)
Might Hero:Boyar
Magic HeroShaman
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted August 30, 2013 05:56 PM |
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Edited by Macron1 at 19:14, 30 Aug 2013.
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Lord_Immortal said:
And why don't you try talking again with Alex-ander.
I don't have his contacts, and I'm banned on DF2 Altrough he is not appearing on forums last year, so I think I can't find him.
PS Than maybe you start theme for Kremlin, where people can post their related materials for HMM3?
PPS I don't think it's good to stole lineup of Kremlin altrough.
So if no Alex-unders units will appear, I think, it's better to take my proposition (bears are not stealing, I have some DEFs that will look like War Bears).
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Lord_Immortal
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DoR Dev Team
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posted August 30, 2013 08:37 PM |
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Well... I'm not saying to steal anything, of course, although I'm not sure if there are stealing policies when it comes to defs, nor I am sure how you can steal his material.
However, there is a technical detail we may approfit of:
Alex-ander made two variations of units. Variation a of units and variation b units.
If he decided not to give you the units, he decided not to give the new ones. For if he discarded the old variations, there is no reason why he would call it "stealing". Anyway, I don't know which variation is older, A or B?
If you open a thread about the Kremlin, we might talk there about the development.
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted August 31, 2013 12:00 AM |
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Lord_Immortal said:
Well... I'm not saying to steal anything, of course, although I'm not sure if there are stealing policies when it comes to defs, nor I am sure how you can steal his material.
However, there is a technical detail we may approfit of:
Alex-ander made two variations of units. Variation a of units and variation b units.
If he decided not to give you the units, he decided not to give the new ones. For if he discarded the old variations, there is no reason why he would call it "stealing". Anyway, I don't know which variation is older, A or B?
If you open a thread about the Kremlin, we might talk there about the development.
Variation A is older version.
I opened theme for new town. Place there your new works screenshots, please.
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Denien
Tavern Dweller
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posted September 02, 2013 03:22 PM |
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Vade_Parvis said:
Lord_Immortal said:
I'm curious about the other units, I just hope that they're more Might&Magic based and less VCMI Forge similiar 
Without putting our cards on the table, I'll try to point out some details.
1Pyromaniacs swill remain in their present form (thugs with flamethrower).
Goblins appear in a completely different, redefining look.
Cyborgs will be quite unlike the original concept of "cyberzombie" and generally will not be humans.
The fourth level creature will be similar to the original ogre concept only by rocket launcher (it will be same as on the [url=http://www.heroes3towns.com/towns/forge/art_4.jpg]original concept[/url] and on the [url=http://www.heroes3towns.com/towns/forge_3/unit_4_1.gif]our early model[/url]) and his massiveness. I can say that this creature has never been on Enroth and in all of the Might and Magic universe — but creatures that looks like him can be found in some other popular fictional universes.
Character of the fifth level creature is a surprise. But this is not a robot and not a cyborgized version of the standard creature. And this creature, same as seventh level, is really based on the Might and Magic universe and inspired by it.
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Is there any HotA map Editor?
Still not, but we are working on it.
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[url=http://mightandmagic.heroes.net.pl/mm6/stwory/hydra.gif]Scylla(8th level Hydra)[/url]
No, this is exactly not the type of units that may appear in the HotA.
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[url=http://mightandmagic.heroes.net.pl/mm6/stwory/water.gif]Merling King(MM6 Water Elem.)[/url]
Partially, their look is already involved
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[url=http://mightandmagic.heroes.net.pl/mm8/screens/creatures/regna_sorcerer.gif]Regna Sorcerer[/url]
[url=http://mightandmagic.heroes.net.pl/mm8/screens/creatures/regna_archer.gif]Regnan Archer[/url]
Their characters are actually combined into a enchantress.
 
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[url=http://mightandmagic.heroes.net.pl/mm8/screens/creatures/pirate.gif]Pirate[/url]
 
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[url=http://mightandmagic.heroes.net.pl/mm8/screens/creatures/triton.gif]Triton[/url]
Maybe in the future, they and/or Salamanders.
This is a pretty alwsome post, and for me the first bit of news since the Droid being revealed as a lvl 6 level (which I personally like and can't wait to see in action). While I know you don't want to burden yourselves with dates and etc, everyonce in a while a post like this really makes great for fans such as me (who search through df2 forums for any bits of news as well using my browrsers translate ability).
I've twice filled my fridge with beers in anticipating a realease (yeah, I hoped for a August suprise release as well :-) ), but that doesn't matter, as much as it takes. Pls share cool info like this updated creature list 1st thru 7th level (can't wait to see the suprise monsters!)
Cheers to you good sir for this lovely bit of info! May we see more to come :-).
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hippox89
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posted September 03, 2013 07:28 PM |
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Is it considered okay to post on the official Russian HotA forum in English (I'm not expecting replies in English), and if not, then in English translated to Russian with Google translate? I don't see why not, but just asking, okay?
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