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Heroes Community > Heroes 5 - Temple of Ashan > Thread: Is inferno overpowered?
Thread: Is inferno overpowered? [ This thread is 11 pages long: 1 2 3 4 (5) 6 7 8 9 10 11 ]
forest001
forest001


Known Hero
posted July 01, 2008 12:22 PM
Edited by forest001 at 12:23, 01 Jul 2008.

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!!!This thread is 4 pages long and theres wasnt even ONE single fact of inferno not being imba...


and vice versa

Edit: now 5 pages long

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Asheera
Asheera


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
posted July 01, 2008 12:23 PM
Edited by Asheera at 12:24, 01 Jul 2008.

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I just did a fight against myself through multiplayer hotseat. Vittorio Vs Grok, Vittorio won and he had like 27 adept, 50 griffons, 8 paladins and 3 arch angels alive after the battle was finished. It was 10 weeks vs 10 weeks battle and vittorio had triple flaming ballista, grok didnt have war machines. both heroes were lvl 19. I just owned myself

That's because War Machines are overpowered in fact.

Can you try to play with Inferno without War Machines and see how IMBA it is?

EDIT: especially now in ToTE that Triple Flaming Ballista is so easy to get...
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Zwok
Zwok


Adventuring Hero
posted July 01, 2008 12:24 PM

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-joins in-

anything else someone would like to add?^.^


Yes, a link for a far better thread:

http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=24606&pagenumber=1


Lol same people that say inferno is underpowered in this topic say inferno is powerfull in the other topic ;O

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Agalloch
Agalloch

Tavern Dweller
posted July 01, 2008 12:25 PM

Im lost.

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Zwok
Zwok


Adventuring Hero
posted July 01, 2008 12:26 PM
Edited by Zwok at 12:32, 01 Jul 2008.

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I just did a fight against myself through multiplayer hotseat. Vittorio Vs Grok, Vittorio won and he had like 27 adept, 50 griffons, 8 paladins and 3 arch angels alive after the battle was finished. It was 10 weeks vs 10 weeks battle and vittorio had triple flaming ballista, grok didnt have war machines. both heroes were lvl 19. I just owned myself

That's because War Machines are overpowered in fact.

Can you try to play with Inferno without War Machines and see how IMBA it is?

EDIT: especially now in ToTE that Triple Flaming Ballista is so easy to get...


I always take grok or nymus so i ignore the ballista, the fact I owned myself with a week 10vs10 ballista vs non ballista battle doesnt mean inferno is weak. with a larger army or a higher lvl hero you can and will kill the ballista on turn 1 with your hounds or horses ;O

#Edit: ofcourse on small maps you will get rushed and pwned





#Edit: I don't understand I can beat myself with Vittorio Vs Grok with a week 10 vs 10 army but Nymus easily owns Dugal Or Vittorio with a week 40 vs 80 army. ?Confused?

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Elvin
Elvin

Hero of Order
Stillness within Movement
posted July 01, 2008 12:38 PM

Fine since we are discussing battles against ourselves(I'm sure you can all sense the inner conflict) I'll post a close one on inferno vs orcs. Will edit later, can't seem to access speedyshare
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Agalloch
Agalloch

Tavern Dweller
posted July 01, 2008 12:40 PM

Well I think after looking at the name of this poll.
I've come to a sweet answear that may stop our useless posts.
Inferno is deffinately not overpowered.
Yes Some find thier war machines annoying
Yes some find them easy to play.
Yes some get off to thier demonicness.
But thier not overpowerful, just work on your skill level I suppose.

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Zwok
Zwok


Adventuring Hero
posted July 01, 2008 12:43 PM
Edited by Zwok at 12:48, 01 Jul 2008.

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Fine since we are discussing battles against ourselves(I'm sure you can all sense the inner conflict) I'll post a close one on inferno vs orcs. Will edit later, can't seem to access speedyshare



Try on Sendspace, and Iím actually trying as much as I can to win with Haven but Nightmares fear the Angels and lower morale which wonít let them to resurrect Paladins. Actually one time the Paladins got a turn before the Fire Hounds and I almost won with Haven... 15 Pit Spawns left (Although there was like hundreds of tier 6-5 summoned units on the battlefield) if the Fire Hounds get a turn before the Paladins then the difference is too huge. If Swarming Gate works with the Fire Hounds and I manage to Phantom the Gated Stack its game over right away. 2k Fire Hounds destroying everything there near

Another strategy is when I don't take Instant gating but get the Succubs that can Puppet, Imps drain enemy heroes mana which makes sure he cant cleanse and then you Mass Confuse + 2 Puppets + Berserk. Makes you totally control the battlefield. True imba ;O

Yet still nothing has convinced me that Inferno isn't imba.

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forest001
forest001


Known Hero
posted July 01, 2008 12:43 PM

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I don't understand I can beat myself with Vittorio Vs Grok with a week 10 vs 10 army but Nymus easily owns Dugal Or Vittorio with a week 40 vs 80 army. ?Confused?


the latter was AI isn't it?

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Zwok
Zwok


Adventuring Hero
posted July 01, 2008 12:49 PM

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I don't understand I can beat myself with Vittorio Vs Grok with a week 10 vs 10 army but Nymus easily owns Dugal Or Vittorio with a week 40 vs 80 army. ?Confused?


the latter was AI isn't it?



No I manually control both armies through hotseat.  And I'm not handicapping the Haven army in any way.

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samiekl
samiekl


Supreme Hero
posted July 01, 2008 12:56 PM

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And damn you samiekl why must you break my arguments like that??



Because i can.

Seriously now, i think inferno is the toughest opponent for orcs.

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Elvin
Elvin

Hero of Order
Stillness within Movement
posted July 01, 2008 01:00 PM
Edited by Elvin at 13:01, 01 Jul 2008.

That tells me nothing, for all I know you know how to play inferno but not haven. I don't even know what skills you use or if you change them if a fight with larger forces. Or what bonuses you give to haven to incorporate the training ability.

The typical balanced battle is around lvl 20 on week 4.

Anyway here's the battle but keep in mind that I made a few mistakes. One is not shooting the seducers with the ballista on the first turn and another is not blocking the seducers with the paokai later. 5 week armies with castle.

I forget the specifics about what skills/abilities I have - they should show if you right click on the portraits - but about the spells I had a fully built town for each. That means that Kragh had lvl 3 warcries just as Grok had lvl 5 dark spells and of course the special buildings are present as well.


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Zwok
Zwok


Adventuring Hero
posted July 01, 2008 01:02 PM
Edited by Zwok at 13:06, 01 Jul 2008.

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And damn you samiekl why must you break my arguments like that??



Because i can.

Seriously now, i think inferno is the toughest opponent for orcs.



Maybe thats why I think there overpowered? Cause I'm a Orc player o.0




P.S. About the 40v80 week battle that I'm manually controlling, I figured maybe the problem is in the skill build? Maybe I gave the Haven hero wrong skills...


#1 Expert Light - Guardian Angel
#2 Expert Leadership - Empathy
#3 Expert Luck - Dead Man's Curse + Magic Resistance
#4 Expert Defence - Last Stand
#5 Expert Attack - Retribution + Tactics

The Inferno hero either has Instant gating + Searing Fires + Gate Master, Aura of Swiftness or

#1 Expert Dark - Master of Mind
#2 Expert Destruction - Searing fires + Mana burst
#3 Expert Sorcery - Distract (Need it cause Divine Guidance is anoying)
#4 Expert Leadership - Aura of Swiftness + Gate Master
#5 Expert Logistics - Swift mind + Swift Gating


#Edit: Elvin you also like Kragh? Just like me... War Machines + Stunning Blow is so fun!
#Edit2: Is there any way to speed up the replays? (without skipping the turns)

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Elvin
Elvin

Hero of Order
Stillness within Movement
posted July 01, 2008 01:07 PM
Edited by Elvin at 13:08, 01 Jul 2008.

Actually I favour Haggash more but Telsek is fun to play as well.

Edit: Press the up arrow key to speed up, down to delay.
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samiekl
samiekl


Supreme Hero
posted July 01, 2008 01:08 PM

What happened Zwok, you're not so convinced anymore that inferno is overpowered? I sense some mildness in your last posts?

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Zwok
Zwok


Adventuring Hero
posted July 01, 2008 01:17 PM

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What happened Zwok, you're not so convinced anymore that inferno is overpowered? I sense some mildness in your last posts?


I'm never rude or arrogant, If you sensed mildness only now then youíre not good at conversations =) No I'm not convinced, because no matter how hard I try 40v80 Haven cant win, My best was Inferno left with 5 Pit Spawns and even that is very unreliable.

And Not only about raw numbers on the battlefield, Iím also convinced that Infernos units are imba in general, really high damage and initiative compared to all other factions. That combined with high attack of Inferno heroes and Hellfire + Gating makes them very fierce >:-E

I can only compare Inferno with necropolis (If the necropolis rushes) and with very late game sylvan and academy. Everything else are just tin cans! >

P.S. Elvin in the replay you sent why did you use Arch Devils to attack such a useless unit like Warmongers that deal increased retaliation damage and are pretty much useless if you donít touch them. And  why did the Barbarians have a Ballista and the Infernos didnít. That makes quite a big difference I'm leaning towards convinced but not sure yet because of things that I don't understand.

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samiekl
samiekl


Supreme Hero
posted July 01, 2008 01:20 PM

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I'm never rude or arrogant,

Are you sure?

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Zwok
Zwok


Adventuring Hero
posted July 01, 2008 01:23 PM
Edited by Zwok at 13:25, 01 Jul 2008.

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I'm never rude or arrogant,

Are you sure?


If you do sense rudeness or arrogance is because my English is very bad. I never really studied English or English grammar forgive me!

#Edit: Perhaps also because I'm a little mad about losing over 15 times with my haven army against inferno @_@

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samiekl
samiekl


Supreme Hero
posted July 01, 2008 01:37 PM

I advise you to join an online tournament. There you will probably be smacked by just about everyone with just about any faction on just about any map. Then i'd like to see you opening threads like inferno is overpowered, haven is overpowered, dungeon is overpowered, etc. You know, if you can't win against them, doesn't mean they're overpowered.

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Sargeras
Sargeras


Known Hero
the Fallen
posted July 01, 2008 01:38 PM

I would like for Demons to be overpowered......but IMHO they aren't ...
...I JUST CAN'T CRUSH THE WIZARDS, JUST CAN'T... (probably cuz i suck in this game )
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