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Elvin
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posted December 21, 2009 08:23 AM |
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It is unfortunate but it is pretty unlikely that strider would lose either way. Assuming it was even possible.
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infinitus
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posted December 21, 2009 09:16 AM |
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Firedragon ask for re-fight of final battle cos he don't know about this bag. The purpose of his Armageddon was to destroy war machines. He said he asked a lot of people from TOH and they say Armageddon affect war machines ...
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Towerlord
Promising
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Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted December 21, 2009 09:45 AM |
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Very one sided battle... armagedon is great vs. inferno, but only when combined with blacks, and more hp than the opponent has. This was not the case so the battle plan was bad, and considering that Fire had 6 dragon arties and Staff and Defense, it was the worst plan. I Think going Empowered Meteor or Fireball, could give him chances of victory.
Redoing battle for fun is a nice option, but repeating the battle as a totally new one, is not okei, as bugs are part of the game.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted December 21, 2009 11:06 AM |
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Forget one important thing - thanks Strider for final replay 1 ...
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Elvin
Admirable
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posted December 21, 2009 02:18 PM |
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I'm with Tower here. Not because 'bugs are part of the game', I find this kind of mentality ridiculous and disrespectful to the opponent. But because fire made his decision and used a tactic that left him exposed - even without the bug. If he was granted a replay he'd have a chance to correct his mistake and then we wouldn't have a serious final.
However if the bug was solely the reason he lost then I'd wholeheartedly support a replay. Btw I was one of the people fire asked, at the time I was not aware of the empowered armageddon quirk 
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Strider_HL
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posted December 21, 2009 04:54 PM |
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Interestingly, people play with other bugs including empowered armageddon ignite and then it's normal. As we know there are many H5 bugs that we have accepted as unavoidable evil and continue to play.
Now, fire asks for replay because he was all right with some of empowered armageddon bugs but not ok with the bug he didn't know about 
Also, he didn't even mention a word about this in the final battle nor in several hours of our post game communication. Only after Jinx post i read about this in the forum  Another point is that with simple arma he would have been left with many more troops and it would be a completely different battle...
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Elvin
Admirable
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posted December 21, 2009 05:08 PM |
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There are bugs and bugs - some annoying, some game-winning. If he had you without the bug and you got a cheap victory by exploiting it then it would obviously be dishonourable. But you know all about that don't you?
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Strider_HL
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posted December 21, 2009 05:21 PM |
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Quote:
There are bugs and bugs - some annoying, some game-winning. If he had you without the bug and you got a cheap victory by exploiting it then it would obviously be dishonourable. But you know all about that don't you?
haha now we got you, righteous pinkcheeks It is surely your realm as we remember from arena tournament Nice to hear that you finally had the courage to acknowledge yourself as dishonorable. That is heroic to your personality. Well done, elvin 
Btw, i also experienced bug vs fire just before final battle with hero placement in front of portal. Due to the bug i was stripped of all bonuses and was quite annoyed. I wrote about that to fire but didn't demand reload.
All in all, fire didn't say a thing and behaved the same way i did by just accepting the game flaw. Seems that he changed his mind 1 day later...
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Elvin
Admirable
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posted December 21, 2009 05:37 PM |
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Uh huh cause bugs are the same as mistakes. Your braincells are truly wasted in this place, you are meant for grander things.
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Jinxer
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posted December 21, 2009 07:13 PM |
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I am not taking sides here.. but come on.. this is the Ceasars.. the GrandMaster Tournament.. to decide who is the Best player For the Season!!! And we really want the games to beable to be decided by a game bug??? Just seems a waste after all the time and drama invested in getting this game #1 done that it would end in a bug!
Anyways, as Elvin pointed out.. I think it boils down to one question.. If the warmachines would have been destroyed could Fire Have had a chance to win? If the answer is NO he still loses with no contest.. then there is no problem.. If however, it opens the door for a possibility for him to win.. then any honorable or common sensed person would want the outcome to be righteous and not bugged.
SO I would suggest, redo final battle but have Strider remove all warmachines before final battle.. since he didnt use any of them before Armageddon fell.. and have the same moves up until armageddon falls. Then finish battle how ever it developes... maybe the same result.. but atleast then wouldnt have an * next to the win.
Just a thought. Again, doesnt matter to me... Just think it stinks to have such a high profile game possibly stained and ruined by a bug. Especially when FireDragon did his homework ahead of time and asked several of his peers about this.. and they all assured him it would work.
Its like handing him a gun to enter into a gun battle and promising its loaded then when comes time to shoot back.. you hear click click click.. Maybe he is bad aim and still misses Strider with his bullets if it was loaded.. BUT.. atleast he has a chance if its loaded.. With no bullets he has no chance. 
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FireDragon-008
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posted December 21, 2009 07:30 PM |
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Quote:
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There are bugs and bugs - some annoying, some game-winning. If he had you without the bug and you got a cheap victory by exploiting it then it would obviously be dishonourable. But you know all about that don't you?
haha now we got you, righteous pinkcheeks It is surely your realm as we remember from arena tournament Nice to hear that you finally had the courage to acknowledge yourself as dishonorable. That is heroic to your personality. Well done, elvin
Btw, i also experienced bug vs fire just before final battle with hero placement in front of portal. Due to the bug i was stripped of all bonuses and was quite annoyed. I wrote about that to fire but didn't demand reload.
All in all, fire didn't say a thing and behaved the same way i did by just accepting the game flaw. Seems that he changed his mind 1 day later...
i didn!t by just accepting the game flaw. Just do not understand what happened...
I thought I'd find out sooner, then I say..
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DrOwnage
Adventuring Hero
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posted December 21, 2009 10:05 PM |
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If the answer is NO he still loses with no contest.. then there is no problem.. If however, it opens the door for a possibility for him to win..
I cant understand why fire cast armageddon. Only reasons i can think of are that he didnt want to win or he thought his fellows dont get hit by it. But the way it is he will never win if he starts with armageddon.
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Fraudatio
Famous Hero
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posted December 21, 2009 10:44 PM |
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Even with 10 killed ballistas the game couldn`t have been won after that armageddon, when Strider had fire resistance and all. Replay is a stone dead end. Please, lets get on with it, forget this match and go for the next one. You can still win Fire!
Btw, Strider, it makes no sense to blame Fire for spending some hours to figure out what struck. I wouldn`t have understood zip myself before consulting other persons that new of the bug (been there done that).
Game 2 - We are waiting! GL guys
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted December 21, 2009 10:44 PM |
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Well obviously his main goal was to take out Delebs Monstrous Balista.. but I agree, it would have been safer to cast an empowered MeteorShower or Empowered Fireball in that area and take out some army and Balista, while saving his own army.
Unless he had High Resistance and protection and was banking on getting alot of resists? But still there was far better options available I would think. But what do I know.. I am not in the final of Ceasars so they obviously know things I dont 
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DIEGIS
Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
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posted December 21, 2009 10:54 PM |
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Im still amazed by the name of this thread: ' The Caesars 2008 game reports ', seems so odd
....the sarcasm in the title is so cool.... I think Elvin should change it in 2008-2012, ive just heard news about maya calendar .. 
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Elvin
Admirable
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posted December 21, 2009 11:34 PM |
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Sounds like a plan
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Strider_HL
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posted December 27, 2009 08:08 AM |
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Generated pairs for the 2nd Caesars Final game:
fire me
1. Nur Dougal
2. Maeve Eurina
3. Maeve Ebba
4. Grawl Naadir
5. Nymus Helmar
fire eliminated 1st and 4th pair while i got rid of nr. 2 and 3. fire chose the blue banner and commands Nymus versus my Helmar. Map is Random Wars TOTE.
Indeed inferno is hard to creep with as fire spent 52 min on the first turn and then d/c So no autosave of all the good and bad things what did happen there eh Furthermore, my turns are not fast either hehe
We continue today and hopefully achieve more significant progress
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted December 29, 2009 08:30 AM |
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Btw, fire still hasn't reported the first game. As i was told, the reason is the great ranking differential we have. I understand his reluctance yet the report must be submitted.
I don't mind if the calculations of ranking alterations is done assuming some 250 point differential. That is decent number and lots of games in TOH are within this range. Many including myself has played with 400+ spread, however that would be too much for fire
He didn't choose me as opponent and therefore his discontent is reasonable. Nevertheless, games must be reported unless agreed otherwise. Simple as that. Or else there would be endless discussions about suicides on week1,2, misclicks in final battles, personal discrepancies etc.
Besides, i devote all my heroes time to the Caesars. If fire doesn't report i will never get my registered activity up. So i offer compromise - report not based on our 550 ranking differential but on a reasonable 250
Ves, what is your opinion on this?
P.s. Can anyone imagine that fire wouldn't report if he had won me?
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Towerlord
Promising
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Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted December 29, 2009 12:40 PM |
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Obviously, since Caesar is a ToH tournament he should report the game... The huge point impact problem comes from the reset of the rankings of season 1, but not the reset of skill
Perhaps, the reset should've been different, more like cutting 200 points out of every player, demoting them with one rank(emperor to lord, lord to legionnaire and so on)...
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Elvin
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posted December 29, 2009 12:44 PM |
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Then what kind of reset would it be? Not to mention that the newbies would have absolutely nobody to play if everyone retained most points.
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