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artu
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posted June 16, 2014 07:41 PM |
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Edited by artu at 19:53, 16 Jun 2014.
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baklava said:
At no point in an actual relationship of the romantic kind is there space for polyamorous experimentation. Romantic love includes this complete, beautiful devotion to the person you love. A devotion watered down and made meaningless by splitting it over several people. It's possible to love several friends, it's normal to love several children and family members, but when you choose your romantic interest, it's a different thing altogether.
Every time Mvass brings up his relationship, the polyamory debate revives and every time, it boils down to this: Is what you mention above, an intrinsical part of human nature or is it social conditioning? On an emotional basis, I am monogamous like you, but is it caused by my human nature or have I "learned" this? I think, if we're talking about having two relationships at a time, you are right about the devotion losing it's gravity, if your girlfriend is living with someone else, it's pushing it to say her devotion to you is as strong as it would have been if you were monogamous, (what happened to that guy, btw, Mvass, is he moving out or is it gonna be Three's Company?), however, on a level of having casual sex, I've seen people who were in love, yet who had casual sex with others once or twice, mostly men. I don't rule it out as a possibility.
And if we go beyond that and assume it's natural and not social conditioning, then we have another question: Is this part of our nature modifiable and is it an improvement to do so? Since, you're a Christian, let me give you this example: One can say it's a very natural thing "not to turn the other cheek" but a Christian may reply, if you put your mind to it and become someone who turns the other cheek, you'll reach a higher state of mind. Advocates of polyamory may not necessarily deny the existence of jealousy or single-minded devotion, however, they can turn your argument upside down and claim it's something primitive and it's something emotionally less sophisticated actually, not more. Have you watched the movie Her? The AI says to the man, "I'm in love with 641 people right now, but it doesn't make me love you less, it makes me love you more."
It didn't end well for the poor sod, though Mvass.
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted June 16, 2014 07:49 PM |
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I am just concerned about what happens when the girlfriend you live with starts liking her other boyfriends more than you, Mvass.
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posted June 16, 2014 08:07 PM |
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Well the noble thing would be to set her free.. but Mvass never bows down for a challenge, hence he'll challenge the boy she likes better to a blindfolded gay sex marathon, the one who lasts the longest gets the girl!
In secrecy Mvass will substitute the other boy with Xerox and hilarity ensues.
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mvassilev
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posted June 16, 2014 09:21 PM |
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Devotion is not split between people because devotion for one person doesn't decrease because of devotion towards another. My girlfriend is no less devoted to me now than she was when we were monogamous - and I can assure she's very devoted to me, as I am to her. Just as it's possible to love several friends or several children, it's possible to love several romantic partners, without it taking anything away from any of them. I used to think that devotion required monogamy, I found that belief to be mistaken, as I didn't (and don't) mind her being close to another person, whether sexually, romantically, or whatever, and yet I'm certainly devoted to her. She feels the same way towards me. Given that, there's no reason for us not to be polyamorous.
By the way, I'm not pushing her to seek out other men - I support her in doing things she likes. I let her do it, and I'm happy for her when she finds someone nice, as she did recently. If she praises a guy, that means she really likes him, and that's great, because it makes her happy and that makes me happy in turn.  artu said:
if we're talking about having two relationships at a time, you are right about the devotion losing it's gravity, if your girlfriend is living with someone else, it's pushing it to say her devotion to you is as strong as it would have been if you were monogamous, (what happened to that guy, btw, Mvass, is he moving out or is it gonna be Three's Company?)
She's living with someone else out of convenience, not because she's any less devoted to me. He lives in a good location and it's convenient for her to live there and be close to her job. I live in a different city, so it'd be difficult for her to live with me. That's really the only reason - if I lived there, she'd live with me. And living with another guy doesn't decrease her devotion to me at all. I can depend on her and get all the love and attention I want, so I have nothing to complain about.
As for who's going to be living with whom, she's going to move out and live with me when I move. The other guy lives in a location that's convenient for him, so he's not going to move out, and anyway his living habits and mine would clash horribly.  He's a cool guy, and I look forward to hanging out with him once I move, but I could never live with him.
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posted June 16, 2014 11:56 PM |
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But would you like her to talk with you about how awesome this guy she met is? I'd find that annoying, like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BxxAEdnXfY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt5GegtcwMQ
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posted June 17, 2014 12:42 AM |
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posted June 17, 2014 12:50 AM |
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So if she keeps on and on talking about this awesome new guy she met who totally convinced her into everything you're against and all your previous conversations, all the thing you made her believe, were for naught? Or if she starts getting very interested in topics that you don't care about because this new awesome guy cares about it.
Like you, I don't care about who your girlfriend has sex with, but I'm very surprised if there's no boundaries in your life of what is annoying. Is it really impossible for you to be annoyed by what someone else did? Or do you misread me?
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posted June 17, 2014 01:00 AM |
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My girlfriend is a reasonable person, so I don't worry about things like that. And if she develops some new interests she likes, good for her, though she's not the kind of person who'd develop new interests just because of a guy.
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posted June 17, 2014 01:01 AM |
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She did because of you, you know. All your talks must have lead to something. 
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mvassilev
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posted June 17, 2014 01:06 AM |
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She did? Maybe a little, because I showed her things she liked, but that's no different from someone else introducing you to things you like. You like the things because of what they are, and not because someone you like introduces you to them. There's no problem if someone else does the same for her.
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posted June 17, 2014 01:08 AM |
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Even if it's something you've already formed an opinion about that's different from hers?
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mvassilev
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posted June 17, 2014 01:17 AM |
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That's not something I'm worried about. She wouldn't change her mind on a whim, only if she had a good reason for it. She's like me in that way. So she'd probably be able to convince me, if she thought something was right and I disagreed. She wouldn't change her mind about something she's currently right about.
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posted June 17, 2014 01:21 AM |
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She becomes a catholic and wants you to hand out pamphlets.
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mvassilev
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posted June 17, 2014 01:23 AM |
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posted June 17, 2014 01:26 AM |
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Maybe not in this reality, but if it's possible and there's an infinite amount of universes so all possibilities comes through, there's an infinite amount of Mvassivness who're handing out catholic pamphlets!
That aside, I've a feeling if she'd chosen prostitution over Catholicism you wouldn't mind handing out those pamphlets.
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posted June 17, 2014 02:08 PM |
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mvassilev said:
No, quite the opposite, I enjoy it.
Ahh now I get it, Mvass is a Cuckold
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posted June 17, 2014 02:12 PM |
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*Goes to porn page to search for "Cuckold"*
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted June 17, 2014 02:24 PM |
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mvassilev said:
That's not something I'm worried about. She wouldn't change her mind on a whim, only if she had a good reason for it. She's like me in that way. So she'd probably be able to convince me, if she thought something was right and I disagreed. She wouldn't change her mind about something she's currently right about.
Oh, Mvass. You are going to have an interesting journey through life.
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The giant has awakened
You drink my blood and drown
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meroe
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posted June 17, 2014 02:42 PM |
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You are wasting your breath Omega. Many of us have already discussed this issue ad nauseam with Mvass.
Mvass is in a comfortable place right now. He is exceptionally fond of this girl and she him (she can do what she wants so why wouldn't she). And to him its all perfect. But he still believes that this is pure unadulterated love. He still doesn't comprehend the reality and he won't until it hits him between the eyes.
"Devotion is not split between people because devotion for one person doesn't decrease because of devotion towards another."
That quote from Mvass should answer your question. Mvass just does not understand love and devotion.
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Meroe is definetely out, sweet
as she sounds sometimes, she'd
definetely castrate you with a
rusted razror and forcefeed
your genitals to you in a
blink of an eye - Kipshasz
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posted June 17, 2014 02:44 PM |
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