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posted November 28, 2008 08:40 PM |
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"Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?" (Matthew 19:27)
that's what happens when you quote something outside context. 
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posted November 28, 2008 08:40 PM |
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I was till you brought in the nukes.
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posted November 28, 2008 08:42 PM |
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Why? I compared Jesus with people who use nukes, so I was talking about him...
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posted November 28, 2008 11:34 PM |
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Because Peter just said: "we left everything behind, great man, what do we get in return?" I believe the apostles were wrong at times. In fact, one of them hunted down jewish people (in the past).
true,but there was a time when jewis people hunted down christians as well,and i am a jew, i speak histroicly.
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posted December 03, 2008 10:33 AM |
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for one it would be like running away from the issue and not solving it,a coward's choice.
What if the issue is not solvable? I mean, that's mostly why suicides happen - because they think it's impossible to have a 'good' life.
Keyword here is "think". Just because they THINK it is unsolvable doesn't mean it IS unsolvable, in which I'm tempted to say, tough luck buddy, should have developed your brain a little more, or FIND HELP. If you have mental problems, seriously, find help. That's what social securi-- Oh wait they don't have that in America.
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Obut at least religion encourages you to not make any grave sins, such as killing innocents.
That's funny, as far as I know more people have been killed in the name of God in our history than for any other reason.  
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posted December 03, 2008 10:51 AM |
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That's funny, as far as I know more people have been killed in the name of God in our history than for any other reason.
This is very, very wrong. Communism most likely consumed more than the combined 300.000 years of humanity's existence, and it was purely atheistic, my friend. The inquisition has "only" 1100 documented kills, with about 2000 estimated throughout 300 years in most the countries of its activity, that is Spain/Portugal, while a single village raid on war could kill twice that much in one day.
I don't negate the fact there were "kills in the name of God/gods" or whatever, but this is laughable compared to kills of any other reason.
I really don't like when people claim something completely incorrect or repeat urban myths
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posted December 03, 2008 11:02 AM |
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Seems like you are "forgetting" a couple, though.
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posted December 03, 2008 11:14 AM |
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which?
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posted December 03, 2008 11:44 AM |
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Crusades, for example. The 30-years-war and the long time before that of acting against what would became protestants later. The work of the Conquistadores in Middle and South America, and the work of the missionaries in general. Just to name a couple.
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posted December 03, 2008 12:23 PM |
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Crusades, conquistadores
both were territorial. The papacy was a nation back then. The pope simply wanted more territory.
BUT the protestant one that was horrible. Charles V was okay, but that kid of his and those spaniard killed quite a lot of dutch and flemish people. The blood count and the tenth taxes... Daily executions and torture on the city squares...
Anyway, people will always kill eachother, when they want. Religion is just an excuse. There are only a bitter small number of people who actually believed they did the lord's work.
"The bible says: 'thou shalt not kill' but this man thinks it is somehow open to interpretation." - type of people are few.
Back on topic of suicide, people!
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posted December 03, 2008 12:34 PM |
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Crusades, for example. The 30-years-war and the long time before that of acting against what would became protestants later. The work of the Conquistadores in Middle and South America, and the work of the missionaries in general. Just to name a couple.
since I'm not interested in that period of history, I won't argue, although it obviously can't even match 1% of communism's total "activity", not only in communist Russia, mind you.
What I meant is that when people think about killing in the name of God, they almost always identify it with inquisition, and inquisition is nothing compared to religion-less genocide systems.
Heck, all those crusades can't be even compared to Khmer Rouge revolution that killed like 1/3 of their country's population, which is a couple million people. OWN people. The crusade was at least directed against an "enemy".
Besides, what logic is to blame religion which says "thou shalt not kill"
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posted December 03, 2008 12:36 PM |
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Don't you just LOVE highly debatable off-topic comments that ends with the admonishing outcry, "back to the topic, people!" 
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posted December 03, 2008 12:43 PM |
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oh, my bad
Do you guys know anybody that committed suicide? Personally, I mean
I never met such a person myself.
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posted December 03, 2008 01:01 PM |
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Err, wasn't you, doomforge.
In any case, let's just leave it with that: whether people have dies in the name of god, egality or for any number of real or invented atrocities doesn't seem to matter much for this issue.
Suicide isn't always so clear-cut, leaving a message and actually ending your life in an orderly way. Some "accidents" are rather suspicious, for example.
Moreover, lots of people are committing suicide in a slower way: heavy drugs, massive drinking and so on.
Lastly, a high percentage of auto-immune-weakness illnesses like cancer are considered as a form of subconscious suicide.
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posted December 03, 2008 01:22 PM |
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I am against the taking of ones own life. However, I have seen somebody in enough misery that had they done so I would have understood. In order not to be in pain beyond what most people could imagine, they had to be drugged so much they barely knew who they were, let alone anything else. Their own insides was litterally devouring them (cancer). So you have to ask yourself what kind of life that would be. Either pain beyond imagining, or being drugged so bad you could not even think let alone do anything. Not much of a life.
If it is just because your life stinks, yeah that is not so good. However, there are reasons I could understand..
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posted December 03, 2008 01:47 PM |
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"Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have FORSAKEN all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?" (Matthew 19:27)
OMG! Bible copied WARCRAFT!!!
Anyway, to the topic.
I think suicide is ok. For some people life is a damn pain and when you die you cease to exist = problem solved ^^
There should also be "death assistance/help" in all countries.
Plus there are to many humans in the world anyway and some day our evil reign over other living creatures will end, and something else will take our place 
Think the dinosaurs lol.
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posted December 04, 2008 11:22 AM |
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The difference between humans and the dinosaurs is I doubt there was 7 BILLLION (and growing) of them. Unless you count the bugs (then they outnumbered us anywhere from 1 million to 1 to a trillion to 1). But most of the insects survived so *shrug*. Unless we kill ourselves off or kill the planet (or something else does)..we are not going anywhere.
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posted December 04, 2008 11:31 AM |
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That's funny, as far as I know more people have been killed in the name of God in our history than for any other reason.
one of the main reasons why i consider religion an extreamly negetive thing that must be eradicated.
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posted December 04, 2008 11:50 AM |
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If you consider Hitler a god, why not.
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posted December 04, 2008 01:54 PM |
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