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i still dont see the word jew as a race. i think im not any chemichally differnt then any other memmber here: my blood is red,i can suffer dieseces,and am mortal.
"chemically"? or "biologically"? Because black people (for example) are different, biologically. That's not racism, that's truth. And of course, Middle Eastern are "somewhere between", it doesn't go abruptly.
but yes you aren't "different" in the social sense of course. Just pointing out that people kill for whatever reason. They use excuses to find reasons. They'll think of something else anyway.
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posted December 05, 2008 04:57 PM |
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but what if a an african american people will convert to jewdism will he be a jew by blood then? and you know im not middle eastern ( was born in uzbekistan,when it was part of the USSR).
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@will and jj : while probbly nothing,i just like making some points and not be ignored in the osm.
Nothing wrong with that, but what is wrong is going totally off topic. This really has nothing to do with this topic (and neither does this post). If you don't want your points ignored, then perhaps HCM TheDeath or Mvass or whoever they were directed to and perhaps ask them to take another look at your post. Going offtopic is not the way to go though.  That's just my opinion anyway. 
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posted December 05, 2008 06:01 PM |
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I agree. Make another thread or something. Discuss "race". It's non-existant in any objective sense anyway.
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posted December 05, 2008 07:07 PM |
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It's non-existant in any objective sense anyway.
DNA says otherwise 
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posted December 05, 2008 07:29 PM |
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Who cares what DNA says?
As long as we can breed with each other, it just mixes.
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posted December 06, 2008 03:06 AM |
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you have really need to go far to establish DNA=religion connection.
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posted December 06, 2008 05:36 AM |
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It's non-existant in any objective sense anyway.
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Or so the media says but how can you trust them 
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you have really need to go far to establish DNA=religion connection.
Uhm, the thing I was quoting from was:Quote:
I agree. Make another thread or something. Discuss "race". It's non-existant in any objective sense anyway.
not sure what exactly is not clear 
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posted December 07, 2008 08:04 AM |
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i was reffering to you death
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posted December 07, 2008 11:22 PM |
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I don't see what's the problem, since I quoted that text and replied to it (to the quote) -- which is about race, as you can see above (the quote I mean).
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posted December 08, 2008 06:39 AM |
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Yeah, ok, define "race", please.
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posted December 08, 2008 06:41 AM |
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No please don't . This is a thread for suicide, or atleast it was supposed to be. Now please take this somewhere else a new thread or the universal off topic thingy. But not here.
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posted December 08, 2008 06:45 AM |
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I agree. I don't know what is so hard about being able to discuss something that is actually related to the thread of Suicide (I know this post isn't on topic). Why does nearly every thread in the OSM have to go off onto other unrelated subjects all the time?
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Oh that isn't so weired. When you start talking you'll touch all sorts of subjects and someone will object or elaborate on something you said and it will grow and then you have a thread derailment without people even noticing it^^(you can see it quite often lately I believe). That's just part of discussion.
It's really all about stoping it once the derailment gets too drastic and this one is hardcore.
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Yeah, ok, define "race", please.
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White people.
Black People.
Yellow people.
That sums it up.
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posted December 08, 2008 02:31 PM |
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Huh? What practical use should that have? Race would be skin color? You could just as well take eye or hair color.
Are there other differences in a practical sense? Can those "races" not breed with each other? If they can, what about the mixes that develop?
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I don't understand what's the problem, since race is a characteristic of our composition, just like height or phenotype or whatever it's called. You can say "That guy is 1.70 meters tall!" which refers to a characteristic of his. You can also say "That guy has a big nose" (this is by comparison to others, but usually refers to the size of the nose, a characteristic). Then you can say "That guy is black" which refers to a characteristic. Characteristics are defined in DNA.
Of course, race isn't discrete definition, it's a continuous one, just like height continuous (any number can be used, not just like from discrete steps like 0.1 to 0.1 steps, like 1.6, 1.7, 1.8, but instead it's continuous like 1.6, 1.792953893, 1.80004932, etc...)
Of course "black", "tall" and such definitions are arrived upon by comparison but they are not completely off the point -- after all someone 'tall' must have a height larger than what that person expects, though it is not precise, it still tells us something.
What if the police asks you to describe someone who robbed you? Would you avoid using the terms "black" or such because, oh my, they are not characteristics? Get serious...
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posted December 08, 2008 02:46 PM |
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What do you guys not understand in the phrase "Don't". It's short for "Do not".
Again discuss this in another thread or in the off topic thread but not here. Or do you have a reason to continue this here? Do I have to point out how the subject of races is not related to suicide (atleast not in the manner you guys are currently discussion it)?
You guys aren't stupid, you must see how you are being completely off topic. And now please take this somewhere else will you?
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What if the police asks you to describe someone who robbed you? Would you avoid using the terms "black" or such because, oh my, they are not characteristics? Get serious...
That's not "race". That's skin color. As in EYE color. Or HAIR color.
Why would you call skin color "race"? Makes no sense. I mean, you don't call eye color "class" or hair color "type", or do you?
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