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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted August 14, 2009 03:53 PM |
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Nice replays, first wins for academy in play-offs  ... though both were very lucky defense-wise (and second also in hero).
But, somewhere on the track, I think you two, missed the order of striking out ...
I noticed game 4 was played on dwarven terrain and game 5 on academy terrain.
Normally, since Zilo was the first to strike-out in the series(as champion of group 2) and then alternate, game 5 should take place on his terrain, as he should have been the first to strike out.
That goes for game 4 also, which should've taken place on Natalka's(academy) terrain.
Anyway, that's not a big problem, as long as you have 3 first strikes for Zilo and 2 first strikes for Natalka... otherwise, the simple solution is to have two consecutive first strikes for Zilo.
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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted August 14, 2009 05:12 PM |
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Edited by natalka at 17:26, 14 Aug 2009.
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Towerlord, when I asked you who strikes first in the series you said me. In the same time Zilo asked me about this too and I pasted him your answer. Check again your history ! Am I not a champion of group one when I defeat you in semi-finals? In all sports it is like that I am from group A and so I get to strike first in the final. Why can`t you expect the loss with a smile? When Zilo loses a game he talks how good the battle was and how nice we played. Admirations 
For game N4 I would say that I was very "lucky" to get only destructive spells in guild and 9 sp. So my only chance and hope for 2 hours was to rely on my high defence.
For game N5 , Was it very lucky for him to have 4 light spells and level up light for necromancer???
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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted August 14, 2009 05:38 PM |
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It's true you asked ... but you either asked the wrong way or I misunderstood, anyway what I got from your question was who is the 2nd striker in first game and I answered that you are .
Actually, I wonder what anyone would understand from a question like this  :
7/31/2009 4:17:52 PM Natalka Towerlord who chooses second first
7/31/2009 4:17:52 PM Natalka Towerlord me?
7/31/2009 4:21:53 PM Towerlord Natalka yup
Anyway, there's no problem... Zilo can have two consecutive first strikes now and problem is solved.
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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted August 14, 2009 05:52 PM |
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What didn`t you understand from the sentence?
Who chooses second first?
second - means second to choose after the first one has chosen.
first - first game
So the one who chooses second actually gets to strike first. You know that. Why didn`t you told me you didn`t understand but answered. I think there is no need of Higher education to understand this sentence. It is too late when the result is 3 - 2 to give Zilo two consecutive advantageous strikeouts. It is your mistake when you answered me. Maybe you should have organized better?
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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted August 14, 2009 06:21 PM |
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The rules are crystal clear.. just read them ... I thought you understood them by yourself, no need for me to explain them to you, since you answered yourself by saying me.
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The host of the first game is the player better ranked in group phase, then they switch.
The match-up is decided by strike-out:
- first player(host) strikes out a town for the opponent, then the 2nd strikes out a town for the first, then it’s first player’s turn to strike again … and so on until four strikes.
- after that 2nd player chooses his town, out of the ones not striked by the opponent
- in the end 1st player chooses his town also, and they proceed to the game
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- winner of match-up E plays against the winner of match-up F
They fight until 5 wins, same strike-out system. Winner of the final is the winner of the tournament obviously.
Now really, I am astonished that you would think that you were the better ranked player in groups because you defeated me.
Anyway it is not like Zilo is gaining an undeserved advantage here... It is 3-2, but you were first player 3 times, instead of him being first 3 times, so at the moment he is actually the disadvantaged one.
In the end, a thumbs down to you  , for taking what doesn't belong to you and didn't earn (first strike). And don't tell me it is my fault, cause you practically put the words in my mouth with that stupid question and half answer given by yourself, not to mention the crazy talk in previous post about champions and stuff which clearly shows where your thoughts were.
So, my decision rests, next two games are first strike for Zilo, I'm not giving him any advantage, just re-establishing the prejudice that was made to him. Normally, after 7 games Zilo should have 4 first strikes and you only 3(which you already have), and he will also have the four with the next two games.
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Zilo
Promising
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 14, 2009 07:32 PM |
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Since Nat asked me to post my opinion:
1)regarding that Nat told me that she asked Tower about who is starting strike-outs - so it was indeed. It seems that there was just misunderstanding and no bad intent from her side;
2)i'm perfectly fine in both ways (if we go with strikeouts as we started or if we switch to the scheme Tower provided), not that much difference anyway.
Therefore - if Tower leaves the matter to me and Nat, I'm ok with Nat's choice and we can continue. If Tower insists on his ruling, i'm ok with that as well.
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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted August 15, 2009 07:30 AM |
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I knew you would be fine both ways, because the advantage is very small, and doesn't really influence the outcome, but as I said my decision is final, as I think you should have what is rightfully yours .
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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted August 15, 2009 11:44 AM |
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Edited by natalka at 14:12, 15 Aug 2009.
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You are funny but let the better one wins in the end.
Zilo I sincerely wish you success in the remaining games.
As for Towerlord , his decision is one-sided as I expected. I am more than a disappointed from people in TOH. You were very nice till I beat you then thumbs down and I "asked STUPID questions". DO I tell you that you are stupid? What is this ? Tournament of Honor.......
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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted August 15, 2009 02:40 PM |
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Your value system isn't working very well in this case, and it is very simple to explain why, just check out how things are right now:
Game 1 : Natalka - Zilo
Game 2 : Zilo - Natalka
Game 3 : Natalka - Zilo
Game 4 : Zilo - Natalka
Game 5 : Natalka - Zilo
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Game 6 : Zilo - Natalka
Game 7 : Natalka - Zilo
and how they should have been:
Game 1 : Zilo - Natalka ---------------+
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Game 2 : Natalka - Zilo |
Game 3 : Zilo - Natalka |
Game 4 : Natalka - Zilo |
Game 5 : Zilo - Natalka |
Game 6 : Natalka - Zilo |
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Game 7 : Zilo - Natalka
I also added some signs, which make it even more clear how the undisputed game 1 is going to take place now. If you feel this is not real justice, then, there is something seriously wrong with you.
In the end, I don't want to comment on the personal side of things, as my host position doesn't allow me to create drama.
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted August 15, 2009 06:12 PM |
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TowerLord: You are talk same with Natalka. From 6 games both have 3 game choice 1st and 3 game choice second. Difference is game n7 and its come from game n1. Its not your problem/job to interfere in match after 5 games alredy done. How you tell this is "smal" advantage...but only if games choices are all time 1:1 +1. Now you make choices 2:0 for one side and its look very unfair.
In my game with Willge on TW "right" sides was for him blue and me red but he ask me to be red because never played before blue. Do you think we need to replay now game because its not follow "dot" on rules?
Lets they finish his match normal and both choice 1:1 next 2 games.
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted August 15, 2009 06:25 PM |
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Chill out, Tower  You made your logical ruling that is the exact excerpt from the rules. All other arguments are from the realm of emotions and has nothing to do with the tournament format. nancy's post is beyond reasoning hehe
Very shortly - Tower corrected mistake that has been present for 5 games. Simple as that.
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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted August 15, 2009 08:53 PM |
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Sara aka Strider do u know what rules mean?
If you knew you wouldn't break them in Caesars and moreover the rules of TOH- watching save, disconnects and God knows what else.So better don't talk...
Congrats to Elit for understanding me without explanations. I don't care, I will have to cope with that. It will be more challenging this way.
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted August 15, 2009 10:20 PM |
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Edited by Elit at 22:26, 15 Aug 2009.
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Dear Strider_HL, can you be more polite and constructive please.
No need to call ppl with "names" when you don't have good arguments.
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Very shortly - Tower corrected mistake that has been present for 5 games. Simple as that.
I can't agree with this. When 2 players play match some one need to choice first in his first game. If total games are 6 its don't mater but when its 7 one from both will get "small" advantage.
From tournament rules"The higher ranked player in groups is the one who gets to strike-out first in the first match-up." higher ranked player choice 1st in 1st game but Nat and Zilo are both Winer hiss group. Here no "higher ranked player". Only random roll can be used for fair decide who is 1st in 1st game. TowerLord cant alone decide it and sure cant do it after 5 games already done. Its look really terrible interfere in match for give 1 side advantage.
TowerLord: Zilo and Natalka are both winers from his group but Nat played all his games with his opponents. Zilo missed his match with Strider and get advantage to play vs next player in group. Do you think its fair to give him another advantage?
P.S.
BTW in my eyes tournament is already broken. I don't think you can beat in match Strider so your n3 place is fake ATM.
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted August 15, 2009 11:13 PM |
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Arena rules are exactly like in the majority of sports play-offs (NBA for instance). Nat finished 3rd in group, Zilo 1st. Consequently, Zilo possesses a "home court" advantage throughout play-offs. The only exception would be if he faced nr.1 from the other group. Then the home court would be decided by additional coefficient.
I'm sure you can dig this
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted August 15, 2009 11:47 PM |
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Arena rules are exactly like in the majority of sports play-offs (NBA for instance). Nat finished 3rd in group, Zilo 1st. Consequently, Zilo possesses a "home court" advantage throughout play-offs. The only exception would be if he faced nr.1 from the other group. Then the home court would be decided by additional coefficient.
I'm sure you can dig this
When we talk for "group" we talk for PLAY-OFFS group...so dont "play" with rules/words. Nat beat all his oponents in his PLAY-OFFS group and Zilo did almosst "same" but not real same! Thanks to your "no time" all turnament is broken now Strider. We cant call Zilo real winer his PLAY-OFFS group and sure we cant call TowerLord n3 place real too. Maybe you can start feel guilty for all this and stop talk so much.
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted August 16, 2009 08:26 AM |
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Come on, it cannot be so hard Let me spell out slowly.
Groups refer exactly to the "regular season" (hence analogy with sports). Also, there were no play-off groups at all in this tournament. This is the elimination play-off.
Anyway, this explanation should be done by Tower instead. I hope i managed to clarify situation to some extent. Or not as it seems
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted August 16, 2009 08:55 AM |
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This is the elimination play-off.
Yes it is. So how you can say Finalist A is better ranked from Finalist B when both beat all his opponents? Do you know how silly sounds it? Both finalist are SAME RANK. Only random roll can be fair for decide who is 1st and who is second...but its need be done before games start. Now go read tournament rules. Here NOTING about final! Rules are clear only for groups and play-off starting group. When Zilo-Nat match is already started none can interfere and change rules. How hard is it for understand.
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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted August 16, 2009 09:08 AM |
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Thanks Strider for the explanation, it is exactly like that, the rule is very simple, exactly as you explained it. Zilo's 1st place in groups tops Natalka's 3rd, so obviously he gets home land advantage.
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted August 16, 2009 09:41 AM |
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Thanks Strider for the explanation, it is exactly like that, the rule is very simple, exactly as you explained it. Zilo's 1st place in groups tops Natalka's 3rd, so obviously he gets home land advantage.
1. If this was so simple and clear here wont be all this argue.
2. Read up my last post. Finalist A and Finalist B are same rank. Its pretty clear. Don't tell me if winier from both groups was on final you will use different from random roll. Don't read rules how Devil read evangelize.
3. When game/match is started and both players agree his rules none can interfere. None from them did problem about choices in game n1. Why after 5 games you want to interfere and change rules?
What you (TowerLord and Strider_HL)doing ATM is really lame. All drama is result from your action. We all know natalka have hot temper but all tournament she follow rules and not argue about it. How you can interfere now in almost done match and change rules. This is very very unfair to natalka. Do you think this wont affect his motivation and concentration in next games? Shame of you!
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted August 16, 2009 09:59 AM |
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elit, these rules are on par with sports. Here is the case from NBA:
A year ago Lakers and Celtics both won their conferences in play-offs (3 rounds to determine West and East champions). But all season long they tried to collect as many wins as possible in order to claim the regular season winners title as it gives home court advantage THROUGHOUT the play-offs. So in the grand final the possessor of home court advantage was determined by the results of regular season (groups in arena) and not by their success in play-offs.
Actually, Lakers performed better in play-offs winning their opponents faster than Celtics but home court was granted to the latter due to better performance during the year.
This case is contrary to your self-established logic. Do you understand now? Arena tournament rules are exact mirror of this example.
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