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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted August 16, 2009 10:09 AM |
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You are starting to make no sense Elit, this is how rules were intended to work in the first place... This is how they worked for the whole tournament, in quarter finals, semi finals and so why would final be any different? Don't keep saying finalist A and B were on the same ground, cause it is obviously not true.
Other possible solution to the problem, would be restarting the final from ground zero , with Zilo in position 1 as it was intended, but I feel the current solution is much better.
So without further explanations, the contestants can proceed with the games, with Zilo having two consecutive first strikes.
I ask Elvin or another mod to erase further comments, on this matter, as I considered it closed.
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted August 16, 2009 11:02 AM |
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Edited by Elit at 11:08, 16 Aug 2009.
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elit, these rules are on par with sports. Here is the case from NBA:
A year ago Lakers and Celtics both won their conferences in play-offs (3 rounds to determine West and East champions). But all season long they tried to collect as many wins as possible in order to claim the regular season winners title as it gives home court advantage THROUGHOUT the play-offs. So in the grand final the possessor of home court advantage was determined by the results of regular season (groups in arena) and not by their success in play-offs.
Actually, Lakers performed better in play-offs winning their opponents faster than Celtics but home court was granted to the latter due to better performance during the year.
This case is contrary to your self-established logic. Do you understand now? Arena tournament rules are exact mirror of this example.
We are not NBA but what you saying sounds reasonable and can be used. Problem is it need to be very clear post from begin in tournament rules and i don't see it. If all this discussion are before game n1 here wont be any problem. When all games follow ratio 1:1+1 all is OK but if you change it in final games to ratio 2:0 its not OK. Main problem come from interfere in almost done match and change rules. I don't ever see in forum propose from Zilo for it. So why other ppl need to interfere. We have pretty good and close match. Think all ToH-ers enjoy it. No point for make drama when both players are OK with current situation. Just back off and lets they play normal and keep same ratio 1:1+1.
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I ask Elvin or another mod to erase further comments, on this matter, as I considered it closed.
You mean censore different view from your view. Sorry but here have one MAIN RULE: After game/match is start and both agree about rules none can change it. You want to do this. Here no excuse for breack basick honor rules.
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Towerlord
Promising
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Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted August 16, 2009 12:29 PM |
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You are just repeating the same story over and over again, without paying attention to the facts that were shown to you, so this needs to be erased. I have shown in a previous post, the rules that state exactly what Strider has been explaining to you all along.
What you are saying simply defies logic... You are pleading for a disrespect of the rules and for Natalka to have home land advantage in effect 1:1 + 1 for her instead of 1:1 + 1 for Zilo which was the normal route.
What you seem not to understand is that 1:1 + 1 for Natalka means 1:1 -1 for Zilo ... So, adding a 2:0 to that finally puts thing into 1:1 + 1 for Zilo.
The proposed measures, are simply making a game schedule exchange(correcting the mistake), as I have shown in the simple image a few posts above.
On the other hand, your proposals encourage cheating of the rules, and giving advantage to the lower ranked, and not putting what has been done wrong into the right place, just because the match-up has started .
So let's say we do nothing and last game (very close game, with 10 skeletons left on the battlefield in the end) decides the match-up in a 5-4 for Natalka... In this kind of scenario, the extra +1 att/def could've been crucial for the final outcome and giving them to Natalka, even though she didn't actually earn them in group phase, would simply be an outrage, and the final result might leave some bad emotions for the opponent(Zilo in this case). Fortunatelly we have the chance to make things right, at this very moment, and so we shall !
I hope this was explanatory enough, and no more drama will be created around a normal decision, that only provides justice.
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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted August 16, 2009 01:09 PM |
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Tower,no need to explain like we are idiots.We understand you perfectly.I just not agree with your view! As long as you are the judge and host I can't do nothing about it and you screw me. But no problem. It is unfair to give Zilo 2 -0 now.Moreover I asked you in the beginning. Now you say you didn't understand.... why didn't you tell me back then. It is your mistake moreover big mistake. When you don't understand a question don't answer it. It is apparent you put personal matter I can't understand why. I agree with you that I "break" rules UNINTENTIONALLY with the "help" of you so now you need to find solution of course that screws me...
What if that you are doing now is exactly what you planned? To give me fake home land and screw me in the right moment? And give Zilo two home lands CONSECUTIVELY very close to finish...
When I want to express opinion you are going to delete it, you are funny.You didn't let me to express opinion
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted August 16, 2009 01:22 PM |
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TowerLord: Actually its 1st time when you give reasonable explain about your motives...and if you look my post careful we talk almost same. Both will follow ratio 1:1+1 and difference come who will get extra one game to choice. Your mistake is rules are not clear in main post about final games. Another problem is you don't have council and decide alone important situation like it.
If we follow "dot" on your not clear rules Zilo is high ranked but if we follow spirit on game he is lower ranked. Zilo skipped his match against stronger opponent in play-off and made match against next. Its HUGE advantage. I can understand if you make post before final match and say : you are change order for choices because Zilo already used advantage but cant understand when He already get HUGE advantage and now you want to give him another in finals after 5 games is done.
If you cant understand my view and how unfair is to interfere in almost done match no point from more argue. Do what you think for right. I wont comment more its waste of time.
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Read CC careful. No one from my post breack any CC rules...so dont say they need to be erased.
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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted August 16, 2009 03:13 PM |
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@Natalka
Actually it seems I understood what you said, with a minor exception... back then I thought you meant who strikes second in first game, or more exactly I interpreted your question like this :
Who chooses banned towns second in first game ?
You must understand, that by not putting a subject into that sentence and giving an answer yourself, I thought you got the rules right, and didn't bother saying anything more than a simple yup.
Conspiration theory is funny, and we can imagine crazy scenarios in our minds, but reality is another thing.
And it seems this long explanation was indeed necesary, as Elit finally gets my point.
@Elit
Rules are very clear, there is no space for interpretation or 'spirits of the game', or else LA Lakers would have more Home Court advantage because Kobe is more spectacular than the other players. But I am glad you finally understand what I meant and we can move on.
To make things 'water' proof I am going to post the full schedule of the remaining games so there is no confusion, though it might end sooner than this:
Zilo - Natalka
Zilo - Natalka
Natalka - Zilo
Zilo - Natalka
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Zilo
Promising
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 17, 2009 09:03 PM |
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Played game 6 with Nat, I won, so its 3-3 now.
Zilo-Natalka game 6
Battle itself turned out to be pretty one-sided, yet the hero/army/skills setup was unusual (similarly as in game 5)
Who said that warmachines are crap? 
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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted August 17, 2009 09:46 PM |
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yeah absolutely nothing to do against vittorio, enlightment, flaming arrows, triple ballista and his hero was right after mine casting dark spells.
Even worse is that next game we play same pair and now all my lucky hero this time is gone...
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Zilo
Promising
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 18, 2009 11:32 PM |
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Played game 7 with Nat, I won, so its now 4-3 in the series.
Was interesting (as almost all games in our series) and this time tight as well game. Un-typical hero here once more - Raven with destructive and summoning+destr book+earth boots. And Nat got perfect anti-destructive Inga with full house of runes+antimagic+mass haste/righteous might.
Zilo-Natalka game 7
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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted August 18, 2009 11:50 PM |
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That's right Zilo.But perfect Undestructive Inga couldn't win when you have tome,press D with arcane armor allllllll the time.It means you are very good tactician,no? Anyway congrats and thanks for the games. Ahhhh I almost forgot about you Tower thank you too.
I watched replay and maybe at one time if casted immunity on ragers I could have won but your elementals may have killed me anyway. It is just without right might, without haste my army is no good against DEFENCE + ARCANE ARMOR+ HIDE in corner with obstacles so my "mistake" doesn't matter. Last 2 games were decided only by hero and your tactics were pressing DEFENCE or WAITING....
BTW did you have that lame perk - stand your ground?
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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted August 19, 2009 08:46 AM |
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Nice games, Zilo showed a variety of tactics, but was lucky to get Enlight in first and 24 spell power in 2nd, with only 1 artifact merchant... could have easily been screwed with only 12-15. Anyway, looking forward for the last games& replays .
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted August 19, 2009 09:02 AM |
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Yes, very nice replays, thanks.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted August 19, 2009 05:49 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 17:50, 19 Aug 2009.
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Good games  And like Toretto would say win by an inch or win by a mile you still win. You both played well and Lady Luck decided the outcome, nothing more to be said.
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Zilo
Promising
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 23, 2009 03:24 PM |
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Played game 8 with Nat, I lost, so its now 4-4 in the series.
Was uber-lucky and again unusual game on my side. Thought my dung troops with 21 defense+all best mass light spells+regen+antimagic+empathy are just unbeatable. But Nat prooved me wrong here with her academy monsters.. 
Zilo-Natalka game 8
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted August 23, 2009 04:04 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 16:04, 23 Aug 2009.
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Played game 8 with Nat, I lost, so its now 4-4 in the series.
And again... you guys play best outta 50? Sounds like my kids when I beat them best outta 3... then they say.. lets play best outta 5. Then I beat them.. its Best outta 7... Then They beat me... so I say best outta 9.... etc etc..
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted August 23, 2009 04:23 PM |
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Apparently you never checked the rules Jinxer.
Good game, even though I didn't believe dungeon could pull it off it went better than I thought. Had it not been for mass cleansing it might have been close but with those golems and potential double resurrection..
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted August 23, 2009 05:14 PM |
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Apparently you never checked the rules Jinxer...
You are correct Elvin.. I see now.. first to 5 wins.. But "WoW" if I was able to have had option to play each of my opponents best of 9 games.. odds are I eventually coulda stumbled into some wins. 
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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted August 23, 2009 06:15 PM |
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Appart from the Mass Cleansing and monster golems, there was another thing that nobody noticed: Natalka won the poker hand to Zilo, she didn't buy any resistance mini arti, aiming everything on might (not even magnetic golems !!!).
Had Zilo went classic Warlock, things could be different, but anyway Razzak is something else, getting him simply lights up the day for Academy
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted August 23, 2009 06:38 PM |
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@Natalka
Actually it seems I understood what you said, with a minor exception... back then I thought you meant who strikes second in first game, or more exactly I interpreted your question like this :
Who chooses banned towns second in first game ?
You must understand, that by not putting a subject into that sentence and giving an answer yourself, I thought you got the rules right, and didn't bother saying anything more than a simple yup.
Conspiration theory is funny, and we can imagine crazy scenarios in our minds, but reality is another thing.
And it seems this long explanation was indeed necesary, as Elit finally gets my point.
@Elit
Rules are very clear, there is no space for interpretation or 'spirits of the game', or else LA Lakers would have more Home Court advantage because Kobe is more spectacular than the other players. But I am glad you finally understand what I meant and we can move on.
To make things 'water' proof I am going to post the full schedule of the remaining games so there is no confusion, though it might end sooner than this:
Zilo - Natalka
Zilo - Natalka
Natalka - Zilo
Zilo - Natalka
TowerLord: I'm not agree with you or moved on. Its your fail for not post clear rules for final before final start. What i'm say you are breack main turnament rule from all sports: for not interfere after game start. So you cheat atm. Lets be "WATER" clear. Simple dont want to waste time for argue with you when this cant change any atm.
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Natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted August 23, 2009 06:50 PM |
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First I want to say that Zilo is not stupid. He knows that with destructive he can`t kill me or unless he is very lucky to get 30 sp with booster and lucky spells.
Secondly, every game he plays something different so it is obvious that he will take other hero in tavern. Moreover we played that pair once and he used other hero again. I know his style
Maybe everybody has noticed but everybody understood why I had done so.
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