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posted July 22, 2009 08:16 PM |
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If they're a fugitive then they have a case file. I would see if there's a way for me to review the case and see if they were jailed under BS circumstances or not. If they were, I would feint ignorance and leave them alone. If they were jailed for a good reason, I might turn them in depending on the crime. If somehow, for the sake of the question, I couldn't know what crime they committed, then I'd turn them in.
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posted July 23, 2009 10:37 AM |
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Hmm. I have a problem with "you learn he's a fugitive". How? Isn't that important? Are wanted posters hanging all over the place? Probably not.
So the only way I can learn that and have all the responsibility is from the family themselves, since if I learn it by news, poster or a third party I'll either know the reason why they are fugitives or someone else may turn them in.
In this case I will hear their story from themselves, and after we shared some hard times and came along rather well I can't imagine that it's a story that would promp me to turn them in. It will amount to them having decided to flee instead of face whatever they have to face and I'd expect they'd have their good reasons for that.
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For the problem before that, the catch is that this will be the one and only chance, so:
1) If we do it and don't like it or it's nothing worth thinking about would have been no loss not to do it
2) If we do it and we really like it, then the problem is, that it's a one-time experience only, and in that case we'd still be better off not having made the experience.
It's like getting offered a dish you can only eat this once and never again. If it tastes bad or it is nothing special, the effort was wasted. If it's delicious, fine, that's something else that's great but unreachable from now on which is something I don't need.
So, no, thanks.
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posted July 23, 2009 10:45 PM |
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Blizzard, and if you couldn't review the case file?
We again disagree with what is important or not. However, lets cover some of the posiblities.
1) You over hear a conversation between the man and his wife, she is concerned you might learn and turn him in.
2) He comes out and tells you, knowing that 'helping a fugitive' can get you in trouble.
3) You see something about it on TV (Not like america's most wanted, just a local (in the area he is wanted) station mentioning it with his picture as a suspect.
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posted July 26, 2009 08:07 PM |
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I had this talk with a friend when the topic of the Aneïs rose up. Yes, I talk about classic latin literature with my friends at times stop looking at me like that! 
And I never really understood Aeneas. I always called Dido some crazy woman, but I feel sympathy for her. The basic story goes as follows. Aeneas is a young Trojan man, a descendant from the gods. His city gets destroyed by the Greeks, but he was warned of this by a profit, so he could get away with his son, his grandfather (who he carried on his shoulder in a feat that can only be described as testosterone-driven manliness), but not his wife who died in the ensuing chaos. Some other men escaped with him. They went on the seas and witnessed many horrors. they had this storm near the coasts of Africa and get driven near the coast.
Aeneas sets out to scout this beautiful land and find his other men nearby, he was the leader after all (what with divine heritage and all). He finds the soon-to-be-powerful-empire, Carthage and presents himself to the leader, Dido, the queen who fled from her homeland when her brother killed her husband. Anyway, they both meet and after what seems like an eterity of hair pulling, despair andwhatnot the two get tgether and profess their love to eachother. I think they also get married, but not really...
Anyway, as it so happens, Aeneas is called upon by the gods to settle the lands of the chosen people of God the gods(no, not Israel, follow with me, here). Aeneas leaves. dido is reminded of the tragedy that is her live and cannot bear to live anymore with the memory of Aeneas and her former husband tormenting her. Now, why did Aeneas leave? Some epiphany told him to?
I think that it's a metaphor for the dreams of Aeneas. he had to leave the love of his life and peace and happiness to go search after his dreams. Now, here comes the queston: Is it right to leave everything and everyone behind to search for your own dreams? Would you do it? (those are two different questions, because I wouldn't do it, but I believe should be able to do it)
I can't really think of a relevant example. My friend said it was like the choice between settling in with and spending time with the family or devote all your time to your career. She also said it was like men to go for their career and it's like women to stay with their loved ones and forsake a career. Anyway, what do you guys think?
And of course here comes the question:
If you had the choice between a nice family (you know a working relationship, the love of your life, a nice, good place to liveand all that) or your dreams, what would you go for?
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posted July 26, 2009 08:11 PM |
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What if having a working relationship, the love of my life, and a good place to live is my dream? 
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posted July 26, 2009 08:13 PM |
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It's the reason why I can't answer this question entirely truthfully...
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posted July 26, 2009 09:25 PM |
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I would sure as hell want to go for my dreams since my dreams differ from that scenario. But I don't think I could abandon my own family without huge feeling of guilt for it. I'm quite the loyal type.
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posted July 26, 2009 11:51 PM |
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Is it right to leave everything and everyone behind to search for your own dreams?
depends on the point of view, it's probably right for the one fighting for his dreams, but it may not be right for the people he leaves behind.
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Would you do it?
I think I would, but it presents a high risk. in another hand you get nothing if you don't take any risk. actually I'm thinking about doing it.
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posted July 27, 2009 12:01 AM |
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My dreams.
(depends on the "love of my life", if that "love of my life" has same dreams, then even more so)
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posted July 27, 2009 07:59 AM |
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What if having a working relationship, the love of my life, and a good place to live is my dream?
Exactly. It depends upon how important your dreams are compared to the love of your life and your family. If they are one and the same, no problem. If not, well... you've got to set priorities, right?
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posted August 03, 2009 11:38 AM |
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My dreams, but that is because I am not so much a 'people person'.
After extensive scientific research, you have stumbled apon an invisibility formula. All your tests indicate that the one single missing element can only be found in the still beating heart of a human (and nowhere else). Would you finish the formula?
What if it was a formula to cure cancer? (And 1 person's heart would make enough to totally eradicate all cancer).
What if it was a formula that neutralized pollution? ((ALL kinds))
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posted August 03, 2009 11:40 AM |
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Yeah.
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What if it was a potion to cure cancer? (And 1 person's heart would make enough to totally eradicate all cancer).
Then no.
Neutralizing pollution sounds ok.
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posted August 03, 2009 11:43 AM |
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Of course not!
Why would you believe that would work in the first place? Because you read it in some old book named "Witchcraft"? Or some demon told you?
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Mytical
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posted August 03, 2009 11:48 AM |
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Jolly, it is a question like "You do research and finally find this" not because of something like demons/witchcraft. IE an element that only exsists in the beating heart of a person that is required for the final ingrediant. Would you kill somebody to get this ingrediant to finish the potions?
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posted August 03, 2009 11:54 AM |
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posted August 03, 2009 11:59 AM |
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I will reword just for Jolly.
Edit : Question reworded.
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posted August 03, 2009 12:23 PM |
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Again, of course not!
There is no way to know something for sure, until you try it out, and scientific researches may be faulty by nature. Cures may not work or work only for a time or for a price.
The solid option here would be to find a volunteer, someone terminally ill, someone who'd be on death row, something like that.
There has been a very interesting novel about akin to your question, one of the top 20 SF novels of all time, Bug Jack Barron by Norman Spinrad. Written in 1969 it tells the story of a cynical talk show host, who - out of sheer spite - discovers something truly..., well I don't want to spoil anything. Just give it a try.
It's not "pre-cyberpunk" as I read somewhere, it's not even SF, it's more a what-if very reminiscient of your current question, even though the problem is somewhat, umm, more to the point.
You probably have this line heard in a movie or something but it's from that book: "The saddest day of your life isn't when you decide to sell out. The saddest day of your life is when you decide to sell out and nobody wants to buy."
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posted August 03, 2009 01:05 PM |
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So even if there was a 0% chance of it not working (ie there was absolutely no doubt the formula would work), and the formula could say cure cancer or eliminate polution you wouldn't do it? Yes, your solution would be the first I would try. In the case of curing cancer I would indeed find a patient who was dying of cancer (beyond hope) and ask them "If you knew your death would cure this disease, would you be willing to agree to this."
Now the pollution one might be harder. Die hard Earth Now member or something?
Would I kill for the power of invisibility? Nah. But curing pollution or Cancer. Absolutely. Even if I went to jail, or worse, after.
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posted August 03, 2009 01:27 PM |
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Mytical, that way of thinking leads DIRECTLY to Hitler, and it's even obvious.
It's the sheer IDEA that you might "buy" something seemingly valuable with blood, that's already madness, a madness many old faiths any myths clang to, including Christian faith. This question is the snow son of the idea to bribe "fate", one or more "gods", or any other power with sacrifices or that sacrifices of life could actually have an effect.
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posted August 03, 2009 01:52 PM |
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If you want to go to the bottom of this you should be asking yourself if you're ready to die for one of those things. If you are, only then could you even consider to ask someone else do the same.
But people are selfish, so yes, I would still kill somone to cure cancer.
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