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Flamingo
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Old one
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posted January 30, 2002 11:56 AM |
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I'm with Salamander, Sisyphus, Woods, Pro
most such rules, that u named is crap(except random rules).
no 1st day rush is one the worst rule, that i heard...defencer has walls and turrels, other one have more troops, isnt it equal? i had many games when players attacks me with double army on day 8("hi" Ralfbo  ) )and it was really intresting.so make rules for urself and play with them, but do not try to play all games with rules, bc in some time u will forget what is real HoMM3, clear HoMM...
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Ichon
Responsible
Famous Hero
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posted January 30, 2002 12:58 PM |
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lol
Quite funny to see all these dif ideas from people after so long with everyone playing eachother before.
I've been no rules player for long time, and I can't really see hwo you enjoy it otherwise. I don't like first day attack, especially on small maps since it's so easy to do- but, why ban it? It just makes the game quicker, sometimes they will suceed and you are dead, other times you will defend and unless they surrender really quick, you should win.
How about any other unwritten rules? Why not no cheating... but I guess some people think H&R, or first day attack is cheating! Along with alot of other things its possible to do in the game. Games get manipulated, and contrary to popular opinion on here, the more rules there are the more manipulated the game is, not less.
Look at chess, checkers, etc- very easy rules to spot cheating, but even then- some people will claim it's possible to cheat, adding rules is adding complexity which brings loopholes and... blah blah blah. How long do you suppose it'll takein H4 before we get into almost this same discussion? lol Not long on ToH I bet, and htat's because it's the most competitive place with people trying to look every possible angle to win. Sounds like fun to me.
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Motorschaaf
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted January 30, 2002 02:43 PM |
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seems to me 90% of the replys to the tread belong elsewhere
THIS IS NO THREAD ABOUT HIT AND RUN OR FIRST DAY RUSH . PLEASE STOP DiCUSSING ABOUT THIS OTHER RULES IN THIS THREAD.
thanks
I wanna know bout the litte things in homm 3 u do or u dont do automatically without thinking of em . and it doesnt matter if u play with or without agreed rules.
best example is to ask the joining player which color he wants and wishing each other a good game.
i dont see how this has anything to do if i play with or without rules ???
it is just a matter of fairness and sportsmanship.
some more unwritten rules to me :
- if i got somethng importnat to do during a game i tell my opponent and ask him if i or him can hold in battle. i know of players that dont say a word they just hold in battle and dont return for a while. this just sucks.
- if my opponent wanna chat but im too busy to be very talkative ( doesn't happen a lot hehe ) i tell him.
nothing sucks more as if u are talking to someone in a game and he just don't responds and it looks like he is ignoring ur messages... and he doesn't even say that he hates talkative players.
-i dont fight fights that would take forever and a day
(e.g attacking 70 dendroids with the 6 harpy hags i just found in refugee).... Well i admit i do it to players that make me 3 times active every turn and more , thats what they deserve 
i still hope there will be some more replys ontopic .
Shackledeemerschaaf
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haile73
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted January 30, 2002 02:55 PM |
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On-Topic-replies in this forum? LOL
I will try my best tho
I agree on all the things you mentionned about fairness, e.g. hosts asks for color, "warning" opponent before long turns, allowing reload after wrong clicking (NOT miscalculated battles, btw) etc.
I disagree a bit on those unwritten rules affecting gameplay. The problem is.. well, they are unwritten
So if you don't like my scouts taking your mines, please tell me before game starts. If you don't like me to use a level 4 main on an open map, let me know. Same with catapult destroying, castle sitting, etc. I cannot read my opponent's mind what he considers fun / fair.
Just let me know and I will see what I can do
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Defreni
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted January 30, 2002 03:24 PM |
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Hehee Motor and Haile
To bring the thread back to the start.
I have a little rule before the game even starts.
If Im not asked politely for a game, Ill usually outright refuse to play.
I just hate when ppl zm u and ask "TOH?" if u answer yes, immediatly followed by "Ur rank, handle?".
I cant stand players who without introduction ask u who u are. If u wanna know who I am, tell me ur name and ill tell u mine ;P.
Another little rule I try to abide by, is if I beat an opponent on a map off my choosing, and it was a good clean match, I always try to give a rematch on a map off his choosing. Common courtesy I guess
And to Prom, Moc, Sisyphus etc. I think u misunderstood Motor`s post. If he had named the thread "Common Courtesy" instead, I think it would have given a more accurate picture off what this is about
Defreni
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woods
Adventuring Hero
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posted January 30, 2002 03:37 PM |
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one step before ...two steps back...
sorry , schaaf - its the first thread where the author
himself fails to his topic....
quote:
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here are a few i know
- Never summon opponents boats on HG.
- Never sail to the other side of the lake on BFP 2 without
having visited the keymasters tent.
- Dont flag ur allys wood and ore mine in a 2o2.
- not combine armys in a 2o2
- dont pick up unguarded boxes/relics on randoms.
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i do agree to your 'art of behaviour' ie.
joining player choose colour
to tell if 'brb'
to wish 'gl'
to fight (if only u got tactics...)
but dont cut anyone short because he 'failed' the topic...
-woods
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Motorschaaf
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted January 30, 2002 04:28 PM |
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yep my english sucks,
yep and maybe i picked wrong name for the thread because of that ( never heared of a thing called commeon courtesy or something like that),
but woods i still think you dont get what this post is about .
rules like hit and run , day 1 rush and so on u usually agree about (or not) before a match starts.
but the thigs i mentioned me and a lot players dont do even if they play no rules just not to spoil the game.
things u dont agree or not about you just don't / do em
like combine army in a 2o2 = destroys fun of my ally
i did it one game and was the most boring 2o2 i ever had.
and believe me i had a lot
well 2o2s with army combine arent really a 2o2..more a 1o1.
not summon boat on hg = i bet most hardcore no-rulers wouldn even think about summoning opponents boat on hg. if they do i bet they will have a hard time to find an opponent on this map again lol (specially if they wanna pick gem ).
TOHschaaf
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woods
Adventuring Hero
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posted January 30, 2002 04:52 PM |
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oki... 3steps back ;)
oki
mb u have seen that in this whole thread i've never spoken
of rules in detail....
haile got the point :
u have to decide if u want to discuss 'behaviour' or
rules which affects gameplay....
i stand my postings here if topic is 'affecting gameplay'
unwritten rules which affect gameplay is nonsense, sorry
-woods
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andiangelsla...
Disgraceful
Famous Hero
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posted January 30, 2002 05:50 PM |
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this is a thread for people who would like to tell others about the little things they wouldnt do, or what they like that is silently agreed on if playing a friend...
it is no goddamn discussion!
if you dont have any of those or dont wanna share, go to a other thread, i dont think motor wanted bullsnow like "rules suck" here, you dont have anything useful to say? go to another thread!
sorry, but this tossing really sux, always comes down to the same useless talk. like flamingo, nice words from a truly honorable player, but who wants to read this?
and salamandre, why you started acting like that rules flaming guy again wihtout a reason, to make yourself important maybe? and why does woods need to turn anything down to a philosophical discussion only half of the readers understand?
blah how much fun this community is these days really
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Prometheus
Adventuring Hero
Knight of the Oracle
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posted January 30, 2002 06:04 PM |
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Thanks
Thanks for the post check but I believe my post is still pertinent. Bad maps inspire rules, even the unwritten ones. Lets take the idea of 'don't summon your opponents boat on hourglass'. Not a bad idea for an unwritten rule but I have a better one -- don't play hourglass if you dont want your boat summoned. The map could be edited and the problem fixed. There are endless analogies i could use to reinforce this idea. Rules, even unwritten rules, stem from imperfect maps.
On a less serious note, choose your battleground carefully; understand that in war your enemy will plague you and try to make it very hard for you to win. He or she will seek to turn the map against you. The harder they make it, the more you can enjoy playing. If they make it too hard for you to win, and thats whats most important to you, play someone with less skill or make some rules to ensure your chances of winning improve. Sometimes you will play better and still get beat. That is if anything, an unwritten rule.
Prometheus
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andiangelsla...
Disgraceful
Famous Hero
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posted January 30, 2002 06:18 PM |
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sorry but i cant agree prom, toh has many good maps and jb mainly did an excellent job in making them.
for example the catapult thing, noone forces you to do that, really, just some players here tell that they wouldnt, no need to blame them or the maps, coz towns are on every map. and if the mapmakes forgot about gem with the summon spell, does that really make it a bad map?
or the pack hydra with 1 devil thing, has nothing to do with the map, or asking for color if you host like motor said.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted January 30, 2002 08:45 PM |
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Andi
Absolutely Wrong...It's only your opinion Andi, about ToH having many good maps, and your opinion also about JB doing god job...He made a good job for players like you only. Don't take it bad, I don't mean you are not skilled. Just different.
And wrong also about pack hydras vs devil . It's a map bug.There is no one good mapmaker here who will put a pack of hydras on a map, knowing too well what could be the issues.
And asking color when you host is absolutelly same- means map is not balanced.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted January 30, 2002 09:07 PM |
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Andi, you play a rules game which you enjoy. Ok, I have no arguments, and i am not accusing you beeing pussy or sissy or whatever.
But I remember one game, where both us were allied vs X and JB .You guys were playing with no combine armies but I didn't know. X get Alamar/castle/heavenly helm(in water) first week. We had no chance winning them. But, as I didn't know the unwritten rules, I asked you to give me your red dragons, we were in the middle a head before X and killed her. Do you really thing we were dishonorable, while I think we made our best and the only way to win on an impossible winning issue? Didn't you enjoy that victory who proves that "no rules" can help greately the "no luck" factor?
The "no combine" rule would make us lose, even if tactically we were better on that game.If we had to replay such a game, would you give a loss so easy just because of an unwritten rule?!Or better show you have an extrem strategy?
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pandora
Honorable
Legendary Hero
The Chosen One
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posted January 30, 2002 10:13 PM |
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I think motor's point was only that he meant for the thread to be about Etiquette for the most part, and it' s turned into the same ol' rules vs no rules fight that everything turns into.
I agree with Prometheus that the problem exists in the maps ( i am not saying i do not like them ) but take hit and run for example - if you are playing open maps, without relics etc the stats you will have are likely not going to make h&r a game ender, and in this case there is no need for a rule, the h&r just adds strategic options and an interesting dynamic to the game. However if you are playing on a map where a hero has the ability to become a super hero with power of 30+ h&r with chain lightning etc can very well be the end of the game with no battle whatsoever. I guess my point really is that it's the way the maps have changed in style that has brought about the rules.
Its really a shame to see the same old fight tho, its been done to death hasn't it? Rulemakers and no Rules players should just agree to disagree and be done with this.
Now back to motor's original thread ...
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"In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."
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Motorschaaf
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted January 30, 2002 11:04 PM |
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Quote:
And asking color when you host is absolutelly same- means map is not balanced.
so you dont ask anyone how joins you which color he wants if u think the map is balanced ?
i better dont tell what i think about that 
Motorschaaf
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pandora
Honorable
Legendary Hero
The Chosen One
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posted January 30, 2002 11:13 PM |
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color choice
if i host i always offer choice of color to my oponnant, especailly if i don't know them. Its not a matter of if the map is balanced, but by allowing them to choose red if they wish, i am giving them the option to make a save day1 before any moves have been made, so they can see the map exactly as i've hosted it.(AFTER the game of course )
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"In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."
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Tristan
Promising
Known Hero
illegally insane
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posted January 31, 2002 07:52 AM |
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Except for offering choice of colour, I don't think I have much more that I assume, but it is hard to tell because it is something that is just assumed. Maybe one other thing, if I know a map and my opponent doesn't (not too likely) I will let them know some things about it (gold mine location and stuff) if they want to know. Usually rules are chosen by mutual consent (turn length, random settings, not those OTHER rules that we shouldn't be talking about in this thread)
The important thing to me is to have fun, and hopefully learn some more. I know I appreciate it when the player who beats me gives me some tips from what they saw, and if I am ever in a position to do the same, I will certainly offer that if they want.
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Zsa
Famous Hero
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posted January 31, 2002 07:57 AM |
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Common Courtesy
I supported and I support No Rules. But I guess some of you guys made some terrible interpretations.
What motor wanted to name the thread is COMMON COURTESY .
I always try to offer colour if I host a game, because I consider it common courtesy, it's like everyday Well Behaviour for me.
Another thing, is giving all your troops to yur ally in a 2on2. If I play a Hot Seat, Yeah, sure, I'm still there, with my partener, it doesn't matter where my troops are. I've played like 4 2on2 hotseats and I must say - they are the BEST.
BUT, on an internet game, you got another thing coming if you are expecting me to give you my troops  . This is not about common courtesy, it's not even a rule, but... am I willing to sit with the hand up my A$$ while you play with my troops and I just hop around? LOL, u better think.
And I won't agree to that stupid thing - "u hold the lower lvl creatures I'll get the lvl 7's and go for Utopia".
Yes motor, most (not all though ) of the stuff you displayed here is common courtesy. I agree with that harpy or devil thing too. Again, no rule breaking, but I just hate to wait or keep someone waiting half an hour because I want to kill 30 dendros with 8 harpy hags. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not prepared to spent 30 min, when I can spend 4 min, and the result would be the same. Most of you got much more important things to do with your time than wait like that.
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Hexa
Responsible
Legendary Hero
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posted January 31, 2002 08:54 AM |
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Well one of the difficult thing about common courtesy and etiquette is that people do these things on a subconscious level. So I think you’re all making NO sense, saying u do things which u aren’t even aware of
And for the record I agree with you Motor!@
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If you want to realize your dreams >>> you have to wake up!@
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Titan_888
Known Hero
Wind of Change
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posted January 31, 2002 09:32 AM |
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Sucks Sucks Sucks !!!!
the only word that comes to my mind reading the community threads.
Lets start a thread about the "hidden" Madmens of TOH.
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