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Heroes Community > Heroes 7+ Altar of Wishes > Thread: [H6 news batch 26.08.10] ~ Discussion and feedback
Thread: [H6 news batch 26.08.10] ~ Discussion and feedback This thread is 13 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 · «PREV / NEXT»
Alaamir
Alaamir

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posted August 28, 2010 03:32 PM

I'll keep trying to find the truth (even if I fail most of the time).

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serptico
serptico


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posted August 28, 2010 03:48 PM

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I'll keep trying to find the truth (even if I fail most of the time).


Maybe you already found the truth? Is that your a failure

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Alaamir
Alaamir

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posted August 28, 2010 03:54 PM

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I'll keep trying to find the truth  (even if I fail most of the time).
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Maybe you already found the truth? Is that your a failure  


You never know until the game is released

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baklajan
baklajan


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posted August 28, 2010 07:20 PM
Edited by baklajan at 19:22, 28 Aug 2010.

Just thought... Wizards and Dwarves might nicely fit into two unrelated expansion campaigns, wizards pitted against Inferno and the emerging Heresh state, and Dwarves fighting the Holy Empire and the Elves. So you don't need to buy all expansions to fill in every gap in the continuity. Each expansion could be an independent spin-off. If so, keeping the Wizards (and probably the Dwarves) behind the curtain for a while makes some sense. Keeping the Elves aside from the main story would, in my opinion, render them a less involved and fascinating faction, just not enough of an axis for the thrilling events to spin around. It was mainly the humans who exploited every minor possibility to expand on the Elven land, and Demons who pestered them even more. Being the besieged side is always less fascinating than being the conqueror, so a story of Wizards ending the war against Inferno and starting a war against Necropolis looks like a better seller than a story about how Elves bravely held against multiple invaders for a few years or so. Our prick-eared friends would be much more fun as targets for a Dwarven invasion while YOU are the Dwarf. In a second addon. Maybe. Let's hope. As for the main campaign, Elves could do well as part of the bigger picture tightly knit with the rest of the factions in a clash of interests from the very beginning of the story.

But how on earth could Black Hole have dropped the Wizards, even if temporarily? Who'd be the top Magic player? Elves, Nagas? I bet lots of people will be disappointed with Wizards put on delay.

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Cepheus
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posted August 28, 2010 07:37 PM

I don't have a problem with no Academy if there's a Necropolis, and vice versa. Both very strongly magic-based.
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Geny
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What if Elvin was female?
posted August 28, 2010 07:40 PM

So far we have defensive Haven, offensive Inferno, magic Necro and probably ranged Sylvan. I see no special need for Academy, especially since the last faction can still be based on another kind of magic.
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baklajan
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posted August 28, 2010 07:41 PM
Edited by baklajan at 19:42, 28 Aug 2010.

I'd be missing the genies, the golems and the mages themselves. And the Roc, and the Minotaur who by that time belonged to the Wizards, and the Nomad, and the fabled Genie. What about a Heroes game without the Titans?

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Danny
Danny


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posted August 28, 2010 07:46 PM

A lot of people are going to be disappointed as well if it's the elves or the black dragons that don't make the game. To me both three are essential to Heroes and usually they are my favs.

Anyway, in the interview posted in the other thread the producer says the whole family comes from Haven so the Wizards are still one of the most plausible factions for they are humans. But like others said, it probably all comes down to a faction following the lead of one of the siblings without being one of them. What if he makes the orcs or some other beast-men faction follow his lead, isn't that possible? Also, a lot of people are concerned for the "Magic" faction but what about the "Might" faction that traditionally is Stronghold? Shouldn't that be included too?

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Cepheus
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posted August 28, 2010 07:52 PM

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What about a Heroes game without the Titans?


We've already had one.
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Charrclaw
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posted August 28, 2010 07:59 PM

What if 5th faction is going some elder civilization? And half-brother joined them ?

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baklajan
baklajan


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posted August 28, 2010 08:00 PM

Oh, that's just Heroes I. But you're right. I hope if the Wizards are back, at least they get a cyclops with a powerful ranged attack.

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XenonZerrow
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posted August 28, 2010 10:26 PM

Think clear about the secret factions. It's still a heroes after all! Can you imagine a heroes without an elven faction? Or without the Black Dragon? If there are no such things it wouldn't be a real HoMM. So Sylvan and Dungeon are the factions that haven't been announce yet. I'm deadly sure about it.

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Geny
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What if Elvin was female?
posted August 28, 2010 10:29 PM

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Can you imagine a heroes without an elven faction?

Yes. Yes I can. Next question please.
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radar
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posted August 29, 2010 02:23 AM

I think one of the factions will be Academy, because Djinns and Wizards were mentioned in the pdfs.
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Charrclaw
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posted August 29, 2010 02:38 AM

I am more curious about 5th then 4th.

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phinex
phinex


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posted August 29, 2010 03:41 AM

There is no desert terrian in h6.
According to this,I consider Academy will not be a faction of h6,unless Ubi change the terrian which suitable for Academy.

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Miles_Teg
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posted August 29, 2010 05:16 AM

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*Town unique buildings
2 slots, 4 buildings per town, each with a different ability (economy booster, creature production booster, gives a special ability on the adventure map or the combat maps)
Having several similar unique buildings in different towns improves their efficiency (a bit like the marketplaces).

Man, i believe this is great, but i predict that i'm gonna have a lot of headaches from deciding the path of each city in some escenarios

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*No secondary / alternative upgrades

Hope they do like in H5 and add them later, i Think that it added a lot of variety to the game, and it was a good thing that even if u have a favorite unit among the two upgrades, there were some fights where the other upgrade was much more useful.

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Plains (Summer AND Autumn)

It would be great if they added the seasons factor to the map, making the entire map change if to many month pass by, like for example, some rivers could become crossable during winter cos they would be covered with ice. or that a forest could become more dificult to cross because of the snow during winter. (and the city views also changing acordingly... i think this would be great both in terms of graphical beauty and complexity to the gameplay (forcing the user to adapth to a changing enviorement)

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*New tier system
Units are no longer divided in successive levels of strength, they fall under three categories: Core, elite and champion.
The former 2 categories have 3 units each and there is one champion unit. Take haven, the archer and the spear guy will be of comparable strength since they are both core units.
Not too sure yet, but i think i like this sistem...

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*Creature Siege Damage
Creature stacks can now damage the fortifications but are less efficient than catapults.

Finally something to do with the walking units while waiting for the fort walls to fall other than defend

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- The 5th faction will be an original faction. It will be announced in January only.

Hope they make a really good one!

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- During sieges, we can put archers in the main tower

Seems reasonable, but if the catapult destroys your tower, goodbye to you 300 archers ?

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Town conversion will be very expensive and take several turns (not said how many). A player can stop the conversion by attacking the city and interrupting it (not said if it's automatic or if you have to click something)

Yes, conversion should be difficult to achieve in my oppinion

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- The rare ressource is named "crystallized dragon blood"

ok.......... :rollingeyes:
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VokialBG
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posted August 29, 2010 05:32 AM
Edited by VokialBG at 05:41, 29 Aug 2010.

The questions is pretty much an easy one, the two races are wizzards and dark elfs. Why?

- Very simple, academies creatures are menssioned in the PDFs few this, as well as the wizzard guys that thing himself for a god, so they are in;
- Since H6 is going to has a plot based in the same universe as H5, it means that we can not have necro without wizzards, since necromansers are wizzards kind;
- Queen Isabel's war is in 969 year (the events in H5), 400 years back mean 569, during this time necromansers still live in the Silver cities, so they can not be in whit no wizzards;
- Again the year is 469, if you look at the timeline, there is a lot of action and events with the dark elfs during this perioud, there was war between them and humans and elfs, the got a kingdom, they were blamed for destroying the elven capitol and etc.

Second idea is that we have orcs, since they have war with ther wizzards and they went to an island, most likely the same one where the skull of shadows was kept in DM. But this happens in 504, but who knows. Wizzards are 100% in.
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Miles_Teg
Miles_Teg


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posted August 29, 2010 05:44 AM

Since they said that the 5th faction will be a "new" faction, at least one of those two is out (for the first release, still posible in expansions)

But even if they do not appear as a faction, they can still apear in the game as neutral units or boss fights, or history, etc (until they release a expansion with the whole faction). Also, they could always say for example that the silver cities are not near the accion in this game or something like that, same with the underground dark elfes, u could encounter them as some monsters in the map or even a hero wandering around some caverns,etc...
so until more is released, is still to early to say wich will be the 2 missing factions i think..
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vicheron
vicheron


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posted August 29, 2010 06:25 AM

I'm skeptical about this "new" faction. They said that there was going to be a "new" faction in Heroes 5 too and it turned out to be Sylvan, which were pretty much the same thing as Sorceress/Rampart/Preserve except it had one new creature, the War Dancer.

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