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Thread: [H6 news batch 26.08.10] ~ Discussion and feedback This thread is 13 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 · «PREV / NEXT»
Nelgirith
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posted August 26, 2010 08:04 PM

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I think we should encourage developing ALTERNATIVE UPGRADES as a feature to be introduced with an expansion at some point, similar to TotE.

Alternate upgrades is what killed the game by making it less user-friendly (not like needing a fan-made 200 pages manual wasn't already a killer ).

Most of the upgrades made no sense, were redundant or totally useless. It just confused new players and gave some fake depth feeling to the game. Adding alternate just for the sake of adding upgrades, no thanks !

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Elvin
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What if Elvin was female?
posted August 26, 2010 08:14 PM

Alright masks off, no more games. As of recently I have been part of the VIP forum discussing the game's course and future. And yes Ubi does listen to the fan suggestions, I can guarantee that I am eager to reveal what I can but being bound by the NDA I can only discuss certain features in public - This thread was created for exactly this purpose. I will have to request that you do not ask me about issues I have not brought up, that means I am not at liberty to disclose them or I simply do not know yet. I'll be sure to tell you what I learn as soon as I get the green light.

Cheers.
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alcibiades
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posted August 26, 2010 08:17 PM

I disagree. If implemented properly, it's a superb way to offer the option to counter your enemy depending on his strengths and weaknesses.
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OmegaDestroyer
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Fox or Chicken?
posted August 26, 2010 08:18 PM
Edited by OmegaDestroyer at 20:24, 26 Aug 2010.

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Alright masks off, no more games. As of recently I have been part of the VIP forum discussing the game's course and future. And yes Ubi does listen to the fan suggestions, I can guarantee that I am eager to reveal what I can but being bound by the NDA I can only discuss certain features in public - This thread was created for exactly this purpose. I will have to request that you do not ask me about issues I have not brought up, that means I am not at liberty to disclose them or I simply do not know yet. I'll be sure to tell you what I learn as soon as I get the green light.

Cheers.


You don't want people asking you questions, Elvin?  So why on Earth did you tell them you were in a fancy-pants, exclusive club to begin with?  Did anyone ask if you were a part of the group?  Did anyone ask if you had any special access?  Would anyone have known you were part of the VIP group if you had not mentioned it?  

Sounds like a cry for attention to me.

If Ubisoft did listen to fans, they WOULD HAVE !@#$%^& MURDERED !@#$%^& ISABEL THE FIRST !@#$%^& SECOND SHE WAS INTRODUCED!!!  Then they would have gathered up their story writers and executed them, Miami gangster style, and hired some new ones.

As to alcibiades, I agree 100%.  After having 2 choices, only having one now would seem like a step back.  
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Danny
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posted August 26, 2010 08:23 PM

Whoa, thanks for the confirmation!

About the plains, in the pictures you can see a Haven town in lush green environment, would that imply autumn is for the elves? Unless their town is basically trees with golden leaves, I don't see that happening and the two different plains are likely only for graphical purposes. Or the autumn plains is like what the Orcs could have?

Plus would jungle mean swamp? If so, then that could fit the Naga but if it's just about "big trees" then it could still be the elves (and then it's not even a different "terrain", is it?).

No Academy would be weird considering they are supposed to be the opposite of Necropolis... But if you think about it, they want the 5 factions to be completely different from each other in gameplay and that might be easier to achieve with a new faction.

On the other hand, the announcement about "40% of the units being new in each faction" kinda implies all 5 factions are the already known ones. In that case, not including Academy would be shocking, so then it's two from the three: Elves, Dark Elves or Orcs.

I can see underground being there without a faction, it is essential to make maps last longer. Yet I can just as easily imagine Dungeon or the Faceless being underground so they could at least put the Black Dragon somewhere, if the Titan has to be left out...

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Elvin
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What if Elvin was female?
posted August 26, 2010 08:23 PM
Edited by Elvin at 20:24, 26 Aug 2010.

@Omega
You would say that. But as a lawyer you should have noticed that I limit the content of the questions instead, tsk tsk Besides it's not like half the forum did not suspect me already, if I am to help I might as well do it in the open.
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Dexter
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posted August 26, 2010 08:24 PM

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I disagree. If implemented properly, it's a superb way to offer the option to counter your enemy depending on his strengths and weaknesses.


That's the key point. If implemented properly. But I personally wouldn't expect much. It wasn't that much of a feature in Heroes V. The possibilities are enormous, but don't suppose it would end up done right with so little time, and so many other ideas to work on.

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alcibiades
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posted August 26, 2010 08:29 PM

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About the plains, in the pictures you can see a Haven town in lush green environment, would that imply autumn is for the elves? Unless their town is basically trees with golden leaves, I don't see that happening and the two different plains are likely only for graphical purposes. Or the autumn plains is like what the Orcs could have?


Dunno - Haven and Sylvan have shared grassland as their native terrain, so it seems pretty straight forward for me to have these two still being like that. Considering that Sylvan town in H5 was located in a huge autumn-coloured tree ... yes, I very much can see that happening. But I guess time will show.

About the Naga thing - I'm not particularly keen on Nagas per se, although I do like the idea of a swamp faction. Graphically, H3 Fortress was one of my favorites. And Omega, no need to go unpleasant, as a matter of fact, people DID ask in this very thread about the members of the secret forum, so if Elvin wanted to step out from behind the curtain, that's his choice.
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Geny
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What if Elvin was female?
posted August 26, 2010 08:30 PM

You Elvin is just trying to cover for me, guys. Thanks, Elvin, you're a true pal, but I can handle my own problems.

As for the whole factions discussion, unless a completely new faction is introduced, my money is still on Elves and Academy where Elves take the jungle and Academy one of the plains.
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Danny
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posted August 26, 2010 08:31 PM

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Alright masks off, no more games. As of recently I have been part of the VIP forum discussing the game's course and future. And yes Ubi does listen to the fan suggestions, I can guarantee that I am eager to reveal what I can but being bound by the NDA I can only discuss certain features in public - This thread was created for exactly this purpose. I will have to request that you do not ask me about issues I have not brought up, that means I am not at liberty to disclose them or I simply do not know yet. I'll be sure to tell you what I learn as soon as I get the green light.

Cheers.


Can you confirm whether the two plains mean two different factions?

Also, when choosing between creating a new faction or bringing back a new one, would Ubi listen to fan suggestions or they decide on this alone, knowing they will get criticism for either not bringing anything new, either not bringing back some fan favorite?

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OmegaDestroyer
OmegaDestroyer

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Fox or Chicken?
posted August 26, 2010 08:32 PM

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@Omega
You would say that. But as a lawyer you should have noticed that I limit the content of the questions instead, tsk tsk Besides it's not like half the forum did not suspect me already, if I am to help I might as well do it in the open.


Malarky.  You just wanted to tell people you knew a secret and you weren't telling.  

Tsk, tsk indeed, chump  
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Elvin
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What if Elvin was female?
posted August 26, 2010 08:39 PM
Edited by Elvin at 20:42, 26 Aug 2010.

@Danny
Sorry, like I said I can only talk on what has been already mentioned in this thread.

@Geny
Run while I distract them!

@Omega
Jealous? Neener neener!



Seriously though I'm disappointed.
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Gauldoth_
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posted August 26, 2010 08:50 PM

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It pretty much sounds all good to me. My main objections are thill the old news (resources and initiative system).


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Alaamir
Alaamir

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posted August 26, 2010 08:53 PM

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It pretty much sounds all good to me. My main objections are thill the old news (resources and initiative system).

I think we should encourage developing ALTERNATIVE UPGRADES as a feature to be introduced with an expansion at some point, similar to TotE.

I accept that they hold back this for the first version, as this will save them 30 % of the work, which can be focused elsewhere, but I think it's really a loss for the game if it's not introduced later.



Can't agree more

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Danny
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posted August 26, 2010 08:57 PM

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As for the whole factions discussion, unless a completely new faction is introduced, my money is still on Elves and Academy where Elves take the jungle and Academy one of the plains.


I know the architectures of the factions are being re-invented but some of the Academy units are too closely related to the desert/Middle-Eastern style to move onto a new terrain for them.

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lord_crusader
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posted August 26, 2010 08:58 PM

One thing is that ubi will listen to the community

and other thing is that ubi will do exactly what the community wants... they obviusly have a plan, a base for his work on heroes 6 that they will not change...

how they are supposed to give everyone what they want??? of course they will ask things about details, and other stuff... but cant expect them ask to the fans to write the history, o made the full game... they will show what they think and ask for feedback, then they will change what can be change... nothing else...

you cant be mad neither ubisoft or those secret forum members...
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Katabroc
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posted August 26, 2010 08:59 PM

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It pretty much sounds all good to me. My main objections are thill the old news (resources and initiative system).

I think we should encourage developing ALTERNATIVE UPGRADES as a feature to be introduced with an expansion at some point, similar to TotE.

I accept that they hold back this for the first version, as this will save them 30 % of the work, which can be focused elsewhere, but I think it's really a loss for the game if it's not introduced later.



Can't agree more


Alternative upgrades is a good idea, as long as itīs well done with USEFUL alternatives, instead of one being agressive and the other being defensive.

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Geny
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What if Elvin was female?
posted August 26, 2010 09:02 PM
Edited by Geny at 21:03, 26 Aug 2010.

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I know the architectures of the factions are being re-invented but some of the Academy units are too closely related to the desert/Middle-Eastern style to move onto a new terrain for them.

Really? Cause as far as I can rememeber all of Academy's units except Rakshasa were also in H3's SNOWY* Tower.

*The word "snowy" is used as a description of the terrain, not as my opinion of the faction.
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mvassilev
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posted August 26, 2010 09:04 PM

Are there really going to only be five factions?
So, Sylvan, Haven, Necropolis, Inferno, and ??? (Academy? Dungeon?)

I'd rather have the four original H1 factions (Knight/Haven, Sorceress/Sylvan, Warlock/Dungeon, and Barbarian) + Necropolis or Mage/Academy.

Ideally, though, we'd have 12 factions. The 9 from H3 + H5-style Dark Elves + Forge + Naga/Water.
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Danny
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posted August 26, 2010 09:06 PM

It's already implied that the gameplay was sped up a bit, so the micromanagement between choosing upgrades doesn't seem to fit. Also, they are supposedly already spending a lot of effort to create differences between the factions so it might not be easy to come up with one more upgrade for each creature (to still make them somewhat new).

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