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The_Polyglot
The_Polyglot


Promising
Supreme Hero
Nuttier than squirrel poo
posted March 05, 2011 03:17 PM

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You sure are playing the wrong game. Maybe you should try Sim City or one of its clone. Heroes is about battles, not about watching a city grow


With all due respect, I disagree. One of the reasons it's so popular among us nerds, is that it is easy to immerse oneself in it, due to all aspects of an empire being represented to some extent,(From whence the RPG designation) huge battles and lively cities at the same time. Forgive me, but I, for one don't remember being able to occupy the neighboring cities and unite them under my enlightened rule in SimCity, or any of its clones

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mytheroes
mytheroes


Famous Hero
posted March 05, 2011 03:26 PM

Except that in Heroes the city design for each factions are fixed thus will quickly lost their appeal over time while in Sim City you could design the city anyway you like.

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soul_blighter
soul_blighter


Adventuring Hero
posted March 05, 2011 03:28 PM

feels like the Egyptian-Libiyan middle eastern revolutionary spirit has caught up with HC

windowed or not...its real worth can only b decided once we play the game....and nothing we do here can actually change the look of the game which has been already developed...so says the devs in the last weeks Hungarian interview. but hey...its ur ryt to rant and rant u shall i suppose...

i'm just waiting for some fresh worthwhile news...still recovering from the oh-so-awesome-it-blew-me-away "bomb" from the Hungarian site!

peace

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yasmiel
yasmiel


Supreme Hero
Former Chessmaster
posted March 05, 2011 03:36 PM

Town development has indeed been a big part of the game for many. It is one of the reasons i liked HoMM much better than similar games that lacked town screen at that point(Age of Wonders comes to mind).

I will buy the game regardless, but i think it won't bring as much new fans since new players that try it out won't feel the same immersion of the game. For beginners, that small break from calculating stuff is achieved in relaxing town screen.

It might not be the most important thing to me now, but looking back 10+ years ago, it certainly was among more important ones.
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The_Polyglot
The_Polyglot


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Nuttier than squirrel poo
posted March 05, 2011 03:43 PM

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Except that in Heroes the city design for each factions are fixed thus will quickly lost their appeal over time while in Sim City you could design the city anyway you like.


Yes, they are fixed, but so well done, that one can still fire up a game, and marvel at the sheer beauty of them, even after 10+ years. Examples that come to mind? well... all of them(except h4 "TSC"s, but that is obvious) That is the reason why many of us feel that teeny-weeny little windows are a blasphemy, and should not have been considered seriously.

PS:SimCity is so different from HOMM, that they cannot be effectively compared to each other, and since I don't want to either start a flame war, or offend anyone, I'll just mention in passing, that while SimCity has numerous merits, I don't think memorable graphics is one of them. Could we get back on topic please?


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SkySlam
SkySlam


Adventuring Hero
posted March 05, 2011 03:58 PM

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I'm going to go with: don't knock it till we know WTF is going on with this one, because right now we're a lot closer to clueless then people think.


"They're still undergoing work", as Cepheus said himself, so this IS the right time to complain if we want something important to be changed or rediscussed before game release.

The more we wait in expressing our opinions, the more we (the fans) will be powerless, even more than we already are about these matters.

It's not too late for them to add a full-screen towns option.
I'm not a programmer, but it shouldn't be much time/resources-consuming compared to the importance it has for many of us.



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mytheroes
mytheroes


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posted March 05, 2011 04:09 PM
Edited by mytheroes at 16:09, 05 Mar 2011.

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Yes, they are fixed, but so well done, that one can still fire up a game, and marvel at the sheer beauty of them, even after 10+ years. Examples that come to mind? well... all of them(except h4 "TSC"s, but that is obvious) That is the reason why many of us feel that teeny-weeny little windows are a blasphemy, and should not have been considered seriously.

PS:SimCity is so different from HOMM, that they cannot be effectively compared to each other, and since I don't want to either start a flame war, or offend anyone, I'll just mention in passing, that while SimCity has numerous merits, I don't think memorable graphics is one of them. Could we get back on topic please?



This is all subjective of course. I for one play Heroes not for its graphics or beauty or eyecandy. Sure they add appeal, I would be lying if I say otherwise but that's not the major aspect I play Heroes for. I guess that's why I'm not so fired up about the current topic. Not that I want Town Window, I still prefer Town Screen like almost everyone else.

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Zenofex
Zenofex


Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
posted March 05, 2011 04:21 PM
Edited by Zenofex at 16:21, 05 Mar 2011.

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I agree that these changes are bad(or at least seems bad), but I believe the developers when they say that they have limited resources. So the question is do they use their resources in a good way?
The resources that the devs have are as many as the franchise owner provides. Black Hole are mainly responsible for the technical details and the minor design decisions. Everything else goes through Ubisoft, one way or another, so they are who should be hard pressed. If BH were told to make a full, interactive town screen and were given the money to do so, they would have done it. Obviously they were not.
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It's not too late for them to add a full-screen towns option.
I'm not a programmer, but it shouldn't be much time/resources-consuming compared to the importance it has for many of us.
I don't think that stretching the window is the problem. Making it interactive seems to be the issue and that's why it will not become a full town screen.

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KingImp
KingImp


Famous Hero
posted March 05, 2011 04:50 PM

I remember what the Heroes 5 Alpha (talk about primitive) and Beta towns looked like and compared to what we got in the release version, it was like night and day.

For that reason, I'm still holiding out hope that we will see a much different town UI than this, but I really hope the insiders have a good amount of pull to make sure we get a decent change for the final product.

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deadace
deadace


Adventuring Hero
posted March 05, 2011 04:57 PM

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I remember what the Heroes 5 Alpha (talk about primitive) and Beta towns looked like and compared to what we got in the release version, it was like night and day.

For that reason, I'm still holiding out hope that we will see a much different town UI than this, but I really hope the insiders have a good amount of pull to make sure we get a decent change for the final product.



I think it looks fine, it seems simple and fast, and looks pretty too! And when you add animation, theme and all, I'm sure it'll be nice!

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Wckey
Wckey


Famous Hero
posted March 05, 2011 05:05 PM
Edited by Wckey at 17:06, 05 Mar 2011.

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I think it looks fine, it seems simple and fast, and looks pretty too! And when you add animation, theme and all, I'm sure it'll be nice!

The UI isn't good at all. How do you buy creatures? How do you build?
If you have to guess where those things are, then it won't be fast to do something with town windows.
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SkySlam
SkySlam


Adventuring Hero
posted March 05, 2011 05:08 PM

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I think it looks fine, it seems simple and fast, and looks pretty too! And when you add animation, theme and all, I'm sure it'll be nice!


I respect personal opinions, but there's an objectivity in things!

Fast: ok. Simple: yes. Pretty: HELL NO!

There's no way a thing like that can contain the beauty and the atmosphere of a faction; can you imagine Romero's music played while displaying that horrible window?

Well, I guess I made my point clear. Sorry for the delayed riot once again and have a nice day! Ciao

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The_Polyglot
The_Polyglot


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Nuttier than squirrel poo
posted March 05, 2011 05:38 PM

@SkySlam: You're so right! Although, if the town windows were to remain, Romero's music would at least make them bearable... till real TSCs arrive in either a patch a la h4, or an expansion


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admira
admira


Promising
Famous Hero
posted March 05, 2011 05:45 PM

Ugh, this has to be stopped.

Cepheus or Elvin, can you give suggestion to BH to enable an option regarding windows/screen mode? I believe it is not much of an effort. I am a programmer myself, adding the toggle mode between Screen and Windows won't be much of a trouble IMHO.

Just my 2 cents, it would save the pages of this thread from this kind of "fight" while satisfying everyone with their own option.

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Finsternis
Finsternis

Tavern Dweller
posted March 05, 2011 05:46 PM

has anyone noticed there is a mixup in the official page in the recently added info about the reputation system?

http://might-and-magic.ubi.com/heroes-6/en-GB/news/details.aspx?c=tcm:21-13681&ct=tcm:6-231-32

the upper picture is of the hero ability tree and the last picture is the might ability tree, right?

and one more thing that got me confused:"Magic Abilities are divided into 7 families: from left to right, they are Prime, Earth, Air, Fire, Water, Darkness, and Light."

the above doesn't correspond to the symbols we see in the picture of the magic ability tree.

i hope the webmaster will correct this and while he is at it... he should add more info about town screens and buildings b4 the fans crack out!

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Finsternis
Finsternis

Tavern Dweller
posted March 05, 2011 06:08 PM
Edited by Finsternis at 18:12, 05 Mar 2011.

2 more things i noticed and i hope haven't been discussed b4:

1. we can see the chamber of judgment in A WINDOW...next to the tear-blood sign there are a market stand icon (?) and a castle wall icon with two pinnacles... this must mean either there are NO TOWNSCREENS at all, just this town window which we see a part of or, i hope, there is an option to choose whether u want to use townscreens or just windows. i think if the latter is the case, most of us would be happy about it. i'd  prefer a town window in multiplayer mode and a town screen in single player mode.

2. seen the runic symbols on the entrance to the goldmine?? wonder what that implies...

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MrDragon
MrDragon


Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
posted March 05, 2011 06:18 PM

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I'm going to go with: don't knock it till we know WTF is going on with this one, because right now we're a lot closer to clueless then people think.


"They're still undergoing work", as Cepheus said himself, so this IS the right time to complain if we want something important to be changed or rediscussed before game release.

The more we wait in expressing our opinions, the more we (the fans) will be powerless, even more than we already are about these matters.

It's not too late for them to add a full-screen towns option.
I'm not a programmer, but it shouldn't be much time/resources-consuming compared to the importance it has for many of us.





Aye but that point has been made now, no need to cause a flipping riot over it, heck we don't even know for certain that it is the case, or if it is, how bad it is.
I'm saying things have gotten out of hand, particulairly the points where people are missing the facts and just rabble rousing without a grounded reason.

Going into full hysteria mode is not going to be helping anybody, and the developers are not going to take any fan serious who is acting like a child, so it is in everybody's best interest to calm down and try to be constructive about it.

Anyway, what we need, is a screenshot of the current planned to be included town screen/window, so that we can provide meaningful feedback on it.
Untill that happens, we won't be able to acurately gauge the situation.

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Cepheus
Cepheus


Honorable
Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
posted March 05, 2011 06:21 PM

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Cepheus or Elvin, can you give suggestion to BH to enable an option regarding windows/screen mode? I believe it is not much of an effort. I am a programmer myself, adding the toggle mode between Screen and Windows won't be much of a trouble


I already did.

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IMHO.


And there's the rub
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Dark-Whisperer
Dark-Whisperer


Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
posted March 05, 2011 06:25 PM

I made a topic about this whole town screen/town window mess on official forum. If you need to vent and/or rant further, as I do, you can do it there too. Let our voices be heard from all sides.

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Nocturnal
Nocturnal


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted March 05, 2011 06:25 PM

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I always let the town theme play from beginning to end and just marveling at my town when I have it fully built. Grail building excluded, ofcourse.

And I spent a great deal of gaming time just rotating and zooming in and out, here and there, in H5's Town Screens.

Also, one of the main reasons that I dislike H4 so much, is that the Town Screens suck.

To me, having these town windows instead of normal ones, is like having an adventure map with only one tileset.


You couldn't tell my thoughts about the matter better. I still can't understand why some people dont like H5, I love it. But the only thing that people couldn't complain is the beatiful town screens. I thought I was alone in that zooming in and out of every part of the town thing

Since it was said H6 town screens was gonna be 2D I have been sad about this situation. But now seing this horrible screenshot of the town "window" I can't believe my eyes. Surely they are not so tasteless to release the game like that. That must be some temporary town window.

I still hope they will change their mind and decide on 3D town screens again

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