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MrDragon
MrDragon


Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
posted March 28, 2011 11:52 AM

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but it's not like we don't have ANY
Well yeah, it's not like the situation in Somalia is that bad, they still have enough air to breathe. We shouldn't be too demanding.

I'd say that comparison is about as valid or reasonable as comparing a Wet Tissue to a Tyrranosaurus in respects to their prominence in desk-lamp add campaigns.

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mancubus
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Adventuring Hero
posted March 28, 2011 12:42 PM

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but it's not like we don't have ANY
Well yeah, it's not like the situation in Somalia is that bad, they still have enough air to breathe. We shouldn't be too demanding.

I'd say that comparison is about as valid or reasonable as comparing a Wet Tissue to a Tyrranosaurus in respects to their prominence in desk-lamp add campaigns.


Valid or not depends on the angle. I hope you understand what he had in mind though: for town screen fans, "something" isn't good enough.

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Adrius
Adrius


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Stand and fight!
posted March 28, 2011 12:47 PM

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I'd say that comparison is about as valid or reasonable as comparing a Wet Tissue to a Tyrranosaurus in respects to their prominence in desk-lamp add campaigns.

Heh
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Elvin
Elvin


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
posted March 28, 2011 01:26 PM

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I hope some of them post more on the VIP board than they do on their community board But well, I guess not every community can have an Elvin or a Cepheus among the VIPs (kudos to you 2)

Don't diss the insiders, whining non-stop in the closed forum takes serious commitment

Also you've got things wrong. Ubi follows a PR plan and has not deviated from it just because some people tried to start a drama. Plan is to give some key updates on predetermined events, if we get anything else in between it's a bonus. We're just too spoiled to realize that ubi updates do not revolve around us despite how me or anyone feels about it.
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MrDragon
MrDragon


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posted March 28, 2011 01:29 PM
Edited by MrDragon at 13:30, 28 Mar 2011.

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Valid or not depends on the angle. I hope you understand what he had in mind though: for town screen fans, "something" isn't good enough.


Oh that came across quite clearly, like I said: it's fine to be angry, but claiming it's not there is an untrue statement, because we are getting a 2D representation of the city, or at least that's what they're claiming.

It's smaller, rage at that all you want, I'm not happy about it either, but I'll hold my judgement over it untill I see how much smaller it is.
(I'm hoping at least 3/4th screen)

Also... I now have the urge to draw a T-rex at a desk blowing his nose for some reason...

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War-overlord
War-overlord


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
posted March 28, 2011 01:43 PM

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Also... I now have the urge to draw a T-rex at a desk blowing his nose for some reason...


Offtopic, I know. But I wanna see that when it's done.
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Elvin
Elvin


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Endless Revival
posted March 28, 2011 01:48 PM

Sign me up too
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xerox
xerox


Promising
Undefeatable Hero
posted March 28, 2011 01:51 PM

I do not think anybody is complaining about that the towns are in 2D, but that they are screens that covers like one fourth of the screen as seen in several videos.

I am really pissed off at the ridiculous reasoning they have for this.

I have never ever heard anyone complain about a 1 second delay in the towns or anything like that.

True town screens without some ridiculous adventure-map border around it are essential to HoMM imo. The towns are a big part of the game. And the atmosphere will be annhiliated when we can't even see the town evolve inside the screen, but only get to see a few more buildings on the adventure map town model.

Instead of destroying towns, there was lots of potential to develop them and have more stuff to do in them and make  them feel more alive like showing creatures walking around their dwellings etc.

Why can't they just make the town window an optional thing?

To me, this is the absolute worst decision ever made in the Heroes series. I hate it. I do not see any reason for it. And their reasoning for it are just lies, nobody is annoyed at waiting 1 second to load a town.

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War-overlord
War-overlord


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
posted March 28, 2011 01:58 PM

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I do not think anybody is complaining about that the towns are in 2D, but that they are screens that covers like one fourth of the screen as seen in several videos.


Ohh, Dear Gods. This has been said time and time and time again. Those videos were Pre-Alpha Testing. Everything in those videos is and was subject to change. They have said over and over that the town-windows in the video were not the final product and that this was only a stop-gap-measure to show that you can change conquered towns to your own allignment. The Screens wil not look like that in the release.
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MrDragon
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posted March 28, 2011 02:02 PM

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I do not think anybody is complaining about that the towns are in 2D, but that they are screens that covers like one fourth of the screen as seen in several videos.

I am really pissed off at the ridiculous reasoning they have for this.

I have never ever heard anyone complain about a 1 second delay in the towns or anything like that.

True town screens without some ridiculous adventure-map border around it are essential to HoMM imo. The towns are a big part of the game. And the atmosphere will be annhiliated when we can't even see the town evolve inside the screen, but only get to see a few more buildings on the adventure map town model.

Instead of destroying towns, there was lots of potential to develop them and have more stuff to do in them and make  them feel more alive like showing creatures walking around their dwellings etc.

Why can't they just make the town window an optional thing?

To me, this is the absolute worst decision ever made in the Heroes series. I hate it. I do not see any reason for it. And their reasoning for it are just lies, nobody is annoyed at waiting 1 second to load a town.

This is totaly valid rage I'd say.
I only wanted people to stop raging about complete lack of town art.

The idea of seeing creatures near their dwellings ironically isn't a new one, if I recall correctly the original Heroes of Might and Magic town screen had creature's inanimate sprites stand amongst the buildings as well.
(http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/heroes1/knightcastle.shtml)
Yep, they do, it would be nice to see that returning.
"We have the technology!"
It would be nice if they even just made 2D sprites of the 3D models and have those liven up the town windows.


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Wckey
Wckey


Famous Hero
posted March 28, 2011 02:14 PM
Edited by Wckey at 14:17, 28 Mar 2011.

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As I said before, many many times, I don't understand what is the benefit of town windows instead town screens. Exactly same thing can be made in full screen as in window - same UI, same panel positions... I really cant see that windows bring ANYTHING to the game.

If it is exactly the same thing why so many raged fans and what's the problem with town screen?
I don't have problems with this feature. The Town screen part is still there, the difference is that you won't see a black screen for few seconds before seeing a town screen.
I don't think it has nothing to do with gameplay, but aesthetics. If the UI has the same style for every menu, why would it change for Town screens? Is like you were visiting a website were all the pages were red except one that for some reason is green.

Well, even if the town windows will look bad (which I don't think they will, because of the worry of Ubihole to show something before it's completed and because after knowing they actually scrapped a whole planned a skill system because of the fans, I'm sure they know how important is a townscreen for fans), at least the UI for heroes and creature are better than H5. I hated to have to open a "new screen" for each hero everytime I wanted to see which artifacts it has or his stats and for each crature or spellbook.
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Dark-Whisperer
Dark-Whisperer


Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
posted March 28, 2011 02:34 PM
Edited by Dark-Whisperer at 14:36, 28 Mar 2011.

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If it is exactly the same thing why so many raged fans and what's the problem with town screen?
I don't have problems with this feature. The Town screen part is still there, the difference is that you won't see a black screen for few seconds before seeing a town screen.
I don't think it has nothing to do with gameplay, but aesthetics. If the UI has the same style for every menu, why would it change for Town screens? Is like you were visiting a website were all the pages were red except one that for some reason is green.

The catch is that exactly same thing can be done if you want it, BUT, so much MORE can be done with full screen. Did you ever think how Romero's music will play in window that that covers 20% of the screen? What will happen when you click on town? Rest of adventure map will go dark and music will change? Still we will have a second delay for transition to complete... So much more details can be added with full screen, in town, architecture, creatures... I cant see the logic in smaller is better in this case.

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the difference is that you won't see a black screen for few seconds before seeing a town screen
makes me just laugh because you must have computer that entered puberty because few seconds for town screen is laughable.

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Kenishi
Kenishi


Famous Hero
passed out drunk in Tavern's
posted March 28, 2011 02:58 PM

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Sorry to beat a dead horse (poor horse!) but having preordered, I would like to have a guesstimate on the Beta.

Any news yet? Sooner or later than 23rd of June?


No news at all, if I ware to speculate I would say after middle of April start of May, best scenario, a more likely one end of May till middle of June like (16 May - 10 June).

  So patiences is in order ...

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vinetu80
vinetu80


Adventuring Hero
posted March 28, 2011 03:04 PM

Well, I can also add my voice against that blasphemy of town window. Someone should open a poll on this forum, it should be demonstration enough for Ubi to show the extent of the rage of Heroes community. I completely agree with a previous poster who said that there are 3 pillars of what Heroes IS in essence, messing with one of them won't be taken lightly.

On another topic, I really think Xhane should interact HERE way more and respond in any way to the rage of the community, rather then posting silly things on fb. I say that paying full tribute to the potential & usefulnes of the social media, I'm using it for my work as well, I only wouldn't dream of giving it more time and attention than to the dedicated science forums I am managing...

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mike80d
mike80d


Famous Hero
Map Maker
posted March 28, 2011 03:29 PM

Yeah I'm curious to see how the town window turns out.  I'm one of the people who cares mostly about gameplay and less about lore & graphics.  However, to me the town window is one of the few primary things that should be done graphically right.

A good town window, similar to those in homm1,2,&3, creates a sense of ownership and accomplishment.  The road leading to the newly built dwelling or mage guild is your road.  And the stone walls are your defense.  There's a few reasons you fight vehemently to defend your capitol and hardly care about a remote outpost.  A quality town window is one of those reasons.

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Nelgirith
Nelgirith


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posted March 28, 2011 03:36 PM

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Did you ever think how Romero's music will play in window that that covers 20% of the screen?

And what exactly does full screen have to do with music ?

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Zenofex
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Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
posted March 28, 2011 03:45 PM
Edited by Zenofex at 15:48, 28 Mar 2011.

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Also you've got things wrong. Ubi follows a PR plan and has not deviated from it just because some people tried to start a drama. Plan is to give some key updates on predetermined events, if we get anything else in between it's a bonus. We're just too spoiled to realize that ubi updates do not revolve around us despite how me or anyone feels about it.
You'll make a mistake if you start justifying Ubi's decisions or reasoning, many people prefer to think of you and the other insiders as representatives of the community, not as Ubisoft's alternative channel of communication and ad hoc complaints department. We are aware (or actually we believe) that you are doing a lot of things for us but please leave Ubi's officials speak for the company when the criticism is directed at them.
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Oh that came across quite clearly, like I said: it's fine to be angry, but claiming it's not there is an untrue statement, because we are getting a 2D representation of the city, or at least that's what they're claiming.
Who claimed that there'll be nothing? Nah, the problem is quite different - that this "something" might appear to be just as worthless as nothing.

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kodial79
kodial79


Promising
Supreme Hero
How'd Phi's Lov't
posted March 28, 2011 03:50 PM
Edited by kodial79 at 15:51, 28 Mar 2011.

Just gonna be stupid, that is all. Romero's magnigificent town themes kicking in when you bring up a pint sized town window. Right now I'm just nerdraging about it but when I get to play the game, ofcourse I'm going to forget about all of this and enjoy it. Enjoy it because it's going to be so funny, unintentionally ofcourse, that I'm going to LOL.

Going to be one of the classic "So bad it's good" moments of video-gaming. Up there with "All Your Base Are Belong To Us" and the poisonous farts of Earthquake from Samurai Shodown.


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Brukernavn
Brukernavn

Hero of Order
posted March 28, 2011 03:52 PM
Edited by Brukernavn at 15:55, 28 Mar 2011.

It's about the atmostphere. I never got the same feel from the towns in H5 that I got from for example H3. Having a town window would take even more away from that. You can't really enter your town, it's just a picture displayed over the adventure map. The illusion of entering your town will be completely gone. At least when you get it in full screen (and I even prefer 2D town views) you get the feeling of leaving the map and entering your own town.

[sarcasm] Why don't they have the fights in a window as well? That would save a lot of time. I always hated the one-second wait when you attacked an enemy before the battlefield showed up. In a window that would go much faster. It can even be as large as 3/4 of the screen, just as long as it doesn't cover all of it because the waiting time after many battles would drive me crazy.[/sarcasm]

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kodial79
kodial79


Promising
Supreme Hero
How'd Phi's Lov't
posted March 28, 2011 03:55 PM

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[sarcasm] Why don't they have the fights in a window as well? That would save a lot of time. I always hated the one-second wait when you attacked an enemy before the battlefield showed up. In a window that would go much faster. It can even be as large as 3/4 of the screen, just as long as it doesn't cover all of it because that would bore me to death after many battles. [/sarcasm]


Seriously, don't give them ideas... They just might do it!
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