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torin856
torin856


Hired Hero
posted April 22, 2011 08:06 PM

I really don't get why can't they give us a circa beta date especially after this "beta starts 20th April" fiasco.
It doesn't need extra work from them and it could remove this bad feeling about this whole week.

Sorry Cepheus it isn't against you I know that this doesn't depend on you.

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Cepheus
Cepheus


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posted April 22, 2011 08:40 PM
Edited by Cepheus at 20:41, 22 Apr 2011.

The best estimate I can give is "within 30 days". Even that could be wrong (though I very much doubt it). It could be tomorrow or it could be in May for all we know. The situation at the moment is much like what Jon Van Caneghem described years ago:

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One of the problems we've had with our games and beta testing is, we've never had a large enough schedule to do formal beta testing. So by the time the CD goes out to, say we've got a hundred people we want at the office to be around for the first round of beta, by the time we get them, get them their CDs, and have them start playing it, we're eighteen revisions at the office past what they have. Alot of what they'll be reporting we'll already have on the list, we'll either have fixed them, or decided that we're not going to do that in the game.


My opinion is that they're just trying to ensure maximum stability so that it'll be a proper test - people can focus on evaluating and fixing the balance and mechanics, instead of having them all report a crash-to-desktop glitch Black Hole already knows about, or being unable to finish the maps.
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LucJPatenaude
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posted April 23, 2011 02:13 AM

Stability of a game is always seen as being universal to everybody.

Unfortunately, that will never be the case and, we all, here, know that, being able to read and understand the minimal and recommended specs needed for a PC for such a game will go unnoticed by way too many players of the game out there, in the whole wide world of the PC market.

Believe-it-or-not, a mere 3 to 4 years old machine will encounter incompatibility issues not covered during the intense play-testing period and beyond a year or two after its initial release. PCs evolve way too fast, if your ask me. And, to make matters worse, it takes a mere two to three years for a totally new O.S. to be released on the retail market and, to be pre-installed by the manufacturer of totally new PCs.

My note to developers of today is: allocate way more human resources in full-time working pace with way less games to develop at a time. So that way, the games are made with full testing in no time flat. A game should never take more than 6 to 9 months to develop, rebuild and, test.


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Elvin
Elvin


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posted April 23, 2011 08:26 AM

Lol wouldn't that be something
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tsar-ivor
tsar-ivor


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posted April 23, 2011 11:18 AM
Edited by tsar-ivor at 11:19, 23 Apr 2011.

I have no expectations for the game ill buy it, ill play it and ima enjoy it . im just glad Might & Magic lives another day.
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vitorsly
vitorsly


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posted April 23, 2011 05:44 PM

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I have no expectations for the game ill buy it, ill play it and ima enjoy it . im just glad Might & Magic lives another day.

I will also do that WHEN THE RMG GETS IN GAME!
I have heroes 3,4 and 5 and a little brother.
We like to play Heroes 3 and 5 but we never play H4 because there isn't a map generator and the other 2 player maps are SO inbalanced.

So when a patch/expansion arrives with it it will be great.

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brukernavn
brukernavn

Hero of Order
posted April 23, 2011 06:40 PM

I don't understand why they don't release some more information before the beta. It'll be out anyway, and it would be better to spread it out over a longer period of time so that we can focus on each part at a time.

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yaeliccc
yaeliccc


Known Hero
Undead, but warm and fuzzy
posted April 24, 2011 08:31 AM

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I don't understand why they don't release some more information before the beta. It'll be out anyway, and it would be better to spread it out over a longer period of time so that we can focus on each part at a time.


LOL Where have you been for the past few months ? Havent you noticed that blacksofty is actually workin with the CIA on the heroes franchise ?
Additional info shall be revealed only once you have purchased the game, installed it on your computer and started playing it (I've even heard that the game has a self destruct button ) , before that happens heroes 666 is just a foggy fantasy

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razor5
razor5


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Freezing...
posted April 24, 2011 03:20 PM
Edited by razor5 at 15:21, 24 Apr 2011.

I've watched most of HoMM 6 videos, its site, some screenshots and the news. But I'm a little bit sceptic about the final game. Of course, there's no more time for improvements since it's release date has be announced.

I had a lot of mixed feelings about the game when I saw all those videos and screens. It has some very good parts: like the Sanctuary town, some cool creatures, unique buildings, and I hope that the Reputation feature will be an intresting one. I can't have right now an opinion about the spells and skills, but surely they won't be a 'big surprise' .

As I said the good parts that I spotted, it's time for the bad ones, and unfortunately they are a few

Graphics: First of all most of the creatures and heroes look very good imo and their animations are nice, but the problem cames when we talk about the game world.

I simply hate the design of the towns, except the Sanctuary, all of them look poorly executed, like they have no 'life' in them, and surprisingly the Necro town looks more living than the Haven one

Apart from the bad-looking towns, some of the maps from screenshots look like there are from Wow, not Heroes, and believe me, too much Wow graphics in a game are uninspired. Too much games fall in the Wow 'trap' and I don't want HoMM do the same thing.

I said something about the Towns above. I'm dissapointed to see just 5 towns. Everybody were wanted a Naga factions, ok wish-fulfilled, but Ubi added nothing more. I like that the Sylvan and the Dungeon are gone, but there should be something intresting to replace them (apart from the Sanctuary) . Something like the Fortress from H3 was nice, and let's say a Pyramid faction instead of Academy.

There are unlimited possibilies of new, intresting and creative towns, but no, ubi decided to keep just 5 factions, with Haven, Inferno ,Necro and Stronghold 70% unchanged and the Sanctuary, which I still consider and the most innovative the coolest town from H6

I hope that the upcoming expansions will come with new and intresting towns. They can inspire right from Hc, since a lot of members have excellent ideas.

And finally, I will complain about the creatures . As I said the first 4 factions are 70% percent unchanged. There are some nice changes, like the Sister (much better than Priests, zealots), Sun Rider, Breeeder (I always liked creatures like that), Ghoul (I got bored of Zombies, every game = zombies in it),Lamasu and most of Sanctuary creatures. (Coral Priestess is a better alternative for Medusa, and the Kenshi is the coolest creature imo.

Others are just unintresting, maybe only their design: Sentinel, Crossbowman, Seraph, Maniac, Hellhound, Juggernaut, Pit Lord, Skeleton and all Orcs. I think they should came with better alternatives for some of this guys. Instead of Skeleton they should choose the Mummy, Hellhound Heretic , Pit Lord Efreet (I love the Efreets, they completly dissapeard after H3) etc.

but there are also some terrible ones: I simply can't understand why they choosed Radiant Glory as a Elite creature for Haven. It's stupid: naked woman, which is a spirit of Elrath, and it's blazing
The Tormentor is a bad choice for Inferno, it fits more the Neutral creatures, it's not a demon, it doesn't look like a demon! I also hate the Vampire, i'd like it to continue being a Necro creature, but it should look like in H2 (by far the best representation of a Vampire from all HoMM, it had so nice moving animation as a bat and that epic "blah!") Fate Spinner replaced the Bone Dragon that's good, but it should be replaced as well with the awesome Death Knight.
For the Sanctuary, the Kappa and Shark Guard are the most ridicolous creatures I've seen. I see a WC in the Kappa's head

That's all for now, and I hope it's not a problem that I complained so much about the upcoming HoMM game, but it's not exactly the HoMM what I wanted and what I waited for. Maybe I'll change my mind when I'll play, nobody knows.

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Elvin
Elvin


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posted April 24, 2011 08:20 PM

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(I love the Efreets, they completly dissapeard after H3) etc.

After H4 you mean

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The Tormentor is a bad choice for Inferno, it fits more the Neutral creatures, it's not a demon, it doesn't look like a demon

Umm sure it does?

Agreed for the most part.
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MrDragon
MrDragon


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Eats people with Ketchup
posted April 24, 2011 08:55 PM
Edited by MrDragon at 20:58, 24 Apr 2011.

I don't understand people who think "things look like WoW"
Having played WoW myself on-and-off for 6 years (currently un-subbed, probably permanently) I can see what people have against it, even it's graphical style which doesn't take itself fully seriously, which yes, admittedly, can be a bad thing.

That said, I can't see how "X looks like WoW"(X being HoMMVI in this case) when it comes to Graphics, heck people said that about HoMMV as well, in fact more or less every single PC game made since WoW came out that actually uses colour has been getting this argument flinged at it.
So 2 points:

1. And even if that is the case, is a bad thing?
Objectively speaking, the warcraft series' graphics are a major commercial success for various reasons, one of the most prominent is visual communication, Warcraft characters are instantly identifyable, which faction they belong to, what team, what nature is of the creature in question. (melee, ranged, caster, support, hero)
The graphics style, unlike many games of today (*cough* most current FPS games *cough*) actually contributes to gameplay and assists the player.

Subjectively speaking, I'd say the style is charming, not too complicated but not flat either, a good middle ground.


2. How is HoMMVI's art style similar to WoW?
Because other then a varied and potent use of colour, I can't see any.
I'm much more strongly reminded of Heroes III's colourful landscapes.
The graphics style is like HoMMIII a much more serious and refined look yet sticks to tolkien-esque high-fantasy and is very detailed to boot, much more so then Warcraft's trademark "accessible" look.
The only truly WoW-eque thing I can see is in my opinion, the Vampire.(who looks a bit like Arthas the snowKing (who looks like a Sauron reject that got stuck in the freezer.) which is to me the singular most annoying character the franchise ever came up with.)

So speaking as somebody who's played WoW for roughly 3 years spread over 6 years on-and-off, I can't see the similarities, and even if they were similar, fail to see how that is a problem.
I'd say it looks a lot more like HoMMIII, which is a good thing.

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Elvin
Elvin


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posted April 24, 2011 09:03 PM

I think there's a connection with this and my friend always saying they stole that from wow whenever I mention something
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yaeliccc
yaeliccc


Known Hero
Undead, but warm and fuzzy
posted April 24, 2011 09:19 PM
Edited by yaeliccc at 21:24, 24 Apr 2011.

Whaaaaat ?

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I've watched most of HoMM 6 videos..........

Coral Priestess is a better alternative for Medusa




No, not everyone is entitled to an opinion, its a lie we tend to tell people so they'll feel better, so... say that again and i'll be having McNuggets for a meal




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tsar-ivor
tsar-ivor


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Scourge of God
posted April 24, 2011 09:27 PM

Atleast they made medusas into snake/human again, the way it should be.
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Avirosb
Avirosb


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No longer on vacation
posted April 24, 2011 09:32 PM
Edited by Avirosb at 21:34, 24 Apr 2011.

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Sister (much better than Priests, zealots)


Care to explain why you think the sister is an improvement?


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tsar-ivor
tsar-ivor


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Scourge of God
posted April 24, 2011 09:38 PM
Edited by tsar-ivor at 21:39, 24 Apr 2011.

the last page of the 'tribe of the east' manual has a picture of michael rofl...and i claim ownership of finding it and will guard it fiercly, now gimme credit & praise .
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Elvin
Elvin


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Endless Revival
posted April 24, 2011 09:39 PM

Thematically it makes more sense that a priest would be more focused on healing than melee. Of course this is a case where you cannot speak of improvement given the subjective nature of the argument, I'd instead say welcome change. Not necessarily better but glad to see a new approach.
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Wckey
Wckey


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posted April 24, 2011 09:42 PM
Edited by Wckey at 21:45, 24 Apr 2011.

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No, not everyone is entitled to an opinion, its a lie we tend to tell people so they'll feel better, so... say that again and i'll be having McNuggets for a meal

Coral Priestess is a better alternative for Medusa
Yup, i agree with razor on this one.

Also, is there anybody that can't wait for tomorrow's new Michael's pictures?
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Cepheus
Cepheus


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Far-flung Keeper
posted April 24, 2011 09:47 PM

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the last page of the 'tribe of the east' manual has a picture of michael rofl...and i claim ownership of finding it and will guard it fiercly, now gimme credit & praise .


Not Michael but just a generic Archangel drawn back in 2005-6 along with plenty others for Heroes V. There was a newer Ledroit concept for Heroes VI which looks more like him.
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tsar-ivor
tsar-ivor


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posted April 24, 2011 09:48 PM
Edited by tsar-ivor at 21:52, 24 Apr 2011.

<3 michael shame they  probably gonna postpone that too , delay on my new background saddens me, scratch that michael never gets delayed.


i said michael because of the unique quadrouple wings haven't seen that on any other angel, but you know best
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