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mytheroes
Famous Hero
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posted November 21, 2010 05:35 PM |
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Lol, the early version of the Pit Fiend/Lord looks more interesting imo.
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einomida
Known Hero
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posted November 21, 2010 06:09 PM |
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Quote: Lol, the early version of the Pit Fiend/Lord looks more interesting imo.
You mean this one?
I completely agree. Especially since Pit Lord/Fiend was my favorite creature in H5.
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MrDragon
Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
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posted November 21, 2010 06:14 PM |
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Quote:
Quote: Lol, the early version of the Pit Fiend/Lord looks more interesting imo.
You mean this one?
I completely agree. Especially since Pit Lord/Fiend was my favorite creature in H5.
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WHY THE HELL DIDN'T THEY GO FOR THAT?!
I mean the current concept art's pretty sweet but that one blows them out of the flippin' water and sends them into orbit.
Holy demon sausages on a stick!
WANT!
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted November 21, 2010 06:18 PM |
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Quote: it will only create a new one by having the aqward situation of putting an old creature, that already has changed town once...
Once? This thing has been in 3 different towns already, Warlock (Dungeon) in I and II, Tower in III and Academy in V, and Death in IV, which is half-way to Inferno anyway.
Quote: ...as their place is in Academy for the last 3 Heroes games...
WTF are you on about, they were in Death in IV (albeit out of town), not Academy/Order.
Quote: In the end, the Gargoyle might be better off as a Neutral, as much as it pains me to say it.
Works for me.
Quote: The lack of a true Fortress faction is disturbing , I miss the gnolls and lizardmen with their cool beasts.
Never like the Gnolls in there, but the rest of it was good IMO.
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Danny
Famous Hero
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posted November 21, 2010 06:24 PM |
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Fortress faction cannot appear in Heroes now without being an actual race (same goes for pre-H5 Dungeon). The best to hope for is the faction worshiping the water dragon enlisting a few of the swamp creatures. But the Wyvern and the Hydra was already given to other factions so I think only Lizardmen and Basilisk have realistic chances.
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SwampLord
Supreme Hero
Lord of the Swamp
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posted November 21, 2010 06:26 PM |
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Quote: That would make me despise the series more than I would without any Sylvan at all
Hey, at least you got Sylvan in 5. We Fortress fans got royally screwed over; we're the only town from Restoration of Erathia that is not represented in the new Heroes series in any way. Hell, even Conflux got all but one of its units into the game; we got Hydras, and that's about it.
We also had the town's name stolen in Hammers of Fate, which was really annoying. I really do hope they bring the real Fortress back, but at this point I'm doubtful at best.
Is there any way to contact the people doing H6 to express my opinion on the lack of certain creatures from H3?
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They can take my swamp, they can take my town, but they will never take my FREEDOM!
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted November 21, 2010 06:33 PM |
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Quote: But the Wyvern and the Hydra was already given to other factions so I think only Lizardmen and Basilisk have realistic chances.
Not too bother, IMO Fortress was always more about the 'dark swamp' feel than the actual creatures.
Quote: Hell, even Conflux got all but one of its units into the game; we got Hydras, and that's about it.
Not surprising since all but one of the creatures existed in H2.
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jabanoss
Promising
Legendary Hero
Property of Nightterror™
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posted November 21, 2010 06:41 PM |
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It would be cool if they made a Fortress faction that have a huge gorilla as a unit that acts as a flier only that it jumps instead XD(No not King Kong but something similar in shape)
Then they also NEED to have the gorgon from H3
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SwampLord
Supreme Hero
Lord of the Swamp
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posted November 21, 2010 06:47 PM |
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All I really want is lizardmen, gorgons, basilisks, and serpent flies.
Hydra's probably gone back to Dungeon, I'd like to have it for a T7 but if that's not possible no great loss. Wyverns were crappy anyways, so Stronghold can have them. And Gnolls were cool, but I'm not gonna lose any sleep over missing them either.
The scaly reptilian stuff was the heart of Fortress; to recreate that in H6 all they need to do is, as mentioned, make a dark swamp town and populate it with lots of lizardy things. And Gorgons. And they'd better still deathstare.
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They can take my swamp, they can take my town, but they will never take my FREEDOM!
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Danny
Famous Hero
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posted November 21, 2010 07:23 PM |
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^But Heroes has moved on from having random creatures making up a whole town. A faction in the swamp can still happen and a few creatures might reappear but it will never be the H3 Fortress, same way how Sylvan is never ever going to be the H3 Rampart with centaurs and dwarves.
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SwampLord
Supreme Hero
Lord of the Swamp
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posted November 21, 2010 07:26 PM |
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Quote: ^But Heroes has moved on from having random creatures making up a whole town. A faction in the swamp can still happen and a few creatures might reappear but it will never be the H3 Fortress, same way how Sylvan is never ever going to be the H3 Rampart with centaurs and dwarves.
Not entirely true; if you read the Q&A, they said they are moving away from having everything based around a single race and back towards a mix of race-themed creatures and theme-based creatures.
I'd like it to be based around lizardmen, personally, cause I'm not really digging the idea of nagas, but I could live with them.
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They can take my swamp, they can take my town, but they will never take my FREEDOM!
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Danny
Famous Hero
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posted November 21, 2010 07:36 PM |
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^That's still my point, the factions need a race, it only means they are giving some diversity and not every unit will be the variation of the race like Dwarves were. If Lizardmen were the main sentient race of the faction, they would need to exist in the world of H5-6 with a backstory and all, but there are existing races like Naga and Faceless that were not yet explored in terms of gameplay. If Naga become the swamp-faction, they might enlist some of the Fortress units as a homage to H3, but that's the most I'd expect as long as the current Might and Magic universe is in effect.
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SwampLord
Supreme Hero
Lord of the Swamp
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posted November 21, 2010 07:44 PM |
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Quote: ^That's still my point, the factions need a race, it only means they are giving some diversity and not every unit will be the variation of the race like Dwarves were. If Lizardmen were the main sentient race of the faction, they would need to exist in the world of H5-6 with a backstory and all, but there are existing races like Naga and Faceless that were not yet explored in terms of gameplay. If Naga become the swamp-faction, they might enlist some of the Fortress units as a homage to H3, but that's the most I'd expect as long as the current Might and Magic universe is in effect.
Not every town has a coherent "race" theme even in H5, though; look at Academy or Necropolis. In my opinion, they could implement Fortress just like they did Stronghold; have one or two lizardmen or naga units for the race theme, and have the rest be warbeasts/creatures.
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Lokheit
Known Hero
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posted November 21, 2010 08:09 PM |
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Edited by Lokheit at 20:10, 21 Nov 2010.
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I could see the hydras returning to a swamp based army. The dark elves aren't around by this time, and the hydras are a classic heroes unit that unlike the black dragons aren't powerful enough to be transformed into bosses. They could be an elite unit on a returning reptilian fortress and maybe even been acompained by the basilisk (I suspect that if the nagas are the 5th faction, the lizardman will be replaced by naga soldiers, and probably the medusa would be the naga shooter as the H3 medusa seems to have the same body than a naga with less arms, so it can be easily transformed into a naga-medusa mix).
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 21, 2010 08:42 PM |
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Quote: which is a direct back to Heroes 3 system (unfortunately).
Light vs dark
1) Light player acts first = almost certain loss
2) Dark player acts first = even worse
I could mention countless examples of hero atb deciding a battle before it started or why this system was ultimately a failure.
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jabanoss
Promising
Legendary Hero
Property of Nightterror™
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posted November 22, 2010 12:29 AM |
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Edited by jabanoss at 00:30, 22 Nov 2010.
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latest artwork
hmm who is the woman to the left?
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OmegaDestroyer
Hero of Order
Fox or Chicken?
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posted November 22, 2010 12:32 AM |
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Wow. That just screams manliness!
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The giant has awakened
You drink my blood and drown
Wrath and raving I will not stop
You'll never take me down
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 22, 2010 12:34 AM |
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Hey we're geeks, too much manliness would make us feel insecure.
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Cepheus
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
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posted November 22, 2010 12:35 AM |
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HoMM of course being the manliest game ever produced
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 22, 2010 12:38 AM |
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There are worse fates.
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