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Thread: ~ Heroes 6 - Discussion thread ~ [ This thread is 525 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 (421) 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 ]
Mike80D
Mike80D


Famous Hero
Map Maker
posted June 20, 2011 11:48 AM

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Blizzard was always really slow in fixing things in WoW.  It was frustrating.

If the Beta download is 4.5 gigs, are you guys able to tell us approximately how big the actual game is?  I'm excited its that big of a file so far.



I wonder why people like to mention Blizzard so often.

"I'm excited its that big of a file so far"
SO you will have to wait longer to downlaod it? Since when do larger filesizes mean more content?



If there are going to be language packs,be sure that the game will become at least 8 or 9 GB maybe and extra 1 gb for campaigns.




Not sure why you're so cynical, but I'd say a large file can often times mean there's a good amount of content, detail in graphics, etc.  Both of those things I put a lot of value in.  And considering this is just a BETA with only a few things available, that's a good sign to me.

Somebody mentioned Blizzard b/c the topic of patch updates came up in the thread.  Its a very simple statement to say "I hope Heroes 6 releases patches & updates faster than Blizzard did for WoW."  It provides a baseline that many here can relate to.  

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admira
admira


Promising
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posted June 20, 2011 11:49 AM
Edited by admira at 12:07, 20 Jun 2011.

I think the Svetlana's phrase referring to duchies not creatures. If I recall it was informed by either Elvin or Cepheus

EDIT: Facebook update on pathfinder is updated:
Pathfinder

The hero spends no movement to pick up resources, access buildings and acomplish similar actions.
Passive ability - Rank 1

There's three levels to this ability. This is only level 1, but level 2 of Pathfinder adds the movement penalty reduction on rough terrains


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Zenofex
Zenofex


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Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
posted June 20, 2011 12:32 PM

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it looks like the unicorn was split into 2 creatures : glory and sun crusader. more exactly, it is replaced by the glory, but the sun crusader involves a horse... they could as well make an unicorn rider, though, I'm not sure an armored guy fits with an unicorn. the light elemental could also be unicorn-like actually, if I'm not mistaken, in H5, unicorn are divine creatures, like angels.
What the hell, man!

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MrDragon
MrDragon


Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
posted June 20, 2011 05:11 PM
Edited by MrDragon at 17:14, 20 Jun 2011.

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Back to Heroes, Isn't Scholar a bit to strong?

You mean just like it's always been?
Seriously, when was giving a hero a more then 20% of another higher level's hero exp, ever not rediculously powerful?
Never so strong that it broke the game, but strong enough that not having it put you at a severe disavdantage to the flexibility of an opponent that did have severel good heroes running around in addition to a really strong one.

I'd also say that the rule of discussions moving towards Blizz or Warcraft, Diablo, Starcraft or WoW (yes I mentioned Warcraft and WoW seperately, because the former is in my opinion vastly superior) is a MUCH older observation, naming it after one self at this point is little more then naive hubris.

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Avirosb
Avirosb


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No longer on vacation
posted June 20, 2011 05:17 PM
Edited by Avirosb at 02:44, 21 Jun 2011.

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I'd also say that the rule of discussions moving towards Blizz or Warcraft, Diablo, Starcraft or WoW (yes I mentioned Warcraft and WoW seperately) is a MUCH older observation, naming it after one self at this point is little more then naive hubris.


Nope, Godwin was six years earlier.
Blizzard wasn't even a thing before SC (god I miss Lost Vikings)

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DoubleDeck
DoubleDeck


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Look into my eyes...
posted June 21, 2011 02:35 AM

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Back to Heroes, Isn't Scholar a bit to strong?

You mean just like it's always been?
Seriously, when was giving a hero a more then 20% of another higher level's hero exp, ever not rediculously powerful?
Never so strong that it broke the game, but strong enough that not having it put you at a severe disavdantage to the flexibility of an opponent that did have severel good heroes running around in addition to a really strong one.


Scholar and mentoring are different abilities, mentoring increases a secondary hero's experience in proportion to main hero (50% in H6) and Scholar in H5 is learning spells from another hero.....I don't think H6 will have Scholar as an ability as learning spells requires spending ability points, so would be an imbalanced ability Scholar.

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MrDragon
MrDragon


Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
posted June 21, 2011 02:57 AM
Edited by MrDragon at 02:58, 21 Jun 2011.

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I'd also say that the rule of discussions moving towards Blizz or Warcraft, Diablo, Starcraft or WoW (yes I mentioned Warcraft and WoW seperately) is a MUCH older observation, naming it after one self at this point is little more then naive hubris.


Nope, Godwin was six years earlier.

I didn't mean Godwin predated Blizz (that would be pretty stupid).
I meant Seraphim naming it after himself.

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unicornblood
unicornblood


Hired Hero
Learning Human Soul
posted June 21, 2011 03:34 AM
Edited by unicornblood at 03:57, 21 Jun 2011.

Sorry for being so clumsy, but I have lost my link for the Christmas Tree pic. Can someone please be kind enough to give it to me again ?

Thank you in advance.

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alcibiades
alcibiades

Hero of Order
Really, Ubisoft?
posted June 21, 2011 03:36 AM
Edited by alcibiades at 03:37, 21 Jun 2011.

Please don't go off-topic (that was aimed at the whole Blizzard discussion).
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Avirosb
Avirosb


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Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
posted June 21, 2011 04:09 AM

Noted.
So now what? Are you beta guys allowed to discuss newly announced abilities?


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Sabotage Mine

At the price of all his remaining movement, the hero can sabotage an enemy mine. The mine's production stops for 7 days. An enemy hero can repair the mine, at the cost of all his remaining movement.

Active ability - Rank 2



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Architect III

Once per day the hero can visit a town and enable a second daily building to be constructed.

Passive ability - Rank 3



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Visions

Reveals the skills of an enemy hero on the Adventure Map and the exact number of troops in his army.

Active ability - Rank 1

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DoubleDeck
DoubleDeck


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Look into my eyes...
posted June 21, 2011 04:10 AM

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Sorry for being so clumsy, but I have lost my link for the Christmas Tree pic. Can someone please be kind enough to give it to me again ?

Thank you in advance.


Christmas tree: http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=33727&pagenumber=226

Notice we are still waiting for 1 and 11 creatures (water and light elemental)

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Dave_Jame
Dave_Jame


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Supreme Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
posted June 21, 2011 04:50 AM
Edited by Dave_Jame at 05:46, 21 Jun 2011.

So the visions back. good to hear that.

The Architect ability sounds some how unbalanced. IT is ussefull at the beginning but it is a 3rd rank ability so good only for building up new towns in the later game.

The Sabotage skill is nice. I like it do to the fact that we can't use the same strategy to capture mines. this makes mine catching very inovativ. and is a nice combination whit Mentoring.
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Avirosb
Avirosb


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No longer on vacation
posted June 21, 2011 05:05 AM

I find it odd that Sabotage Mine is a skill, whereas Reconstruct Mine - a task which obviously require more effort and resources if not done magically - is not, AFAIK.

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Elvin
Elvin

Hero of Order
Stillness within Movement
posted June 21, 2011 05:26 AM
Edited by Elvin at 05:27, 21 Jun 2011.

Not so much if you think of it from a gameplay perspective. A good analogy would be harassing the opponent's mines that he will have to reclaim. It does make sense having a skill that forces to opponent to do something about it than one that solely works as a counter to something the opponent may or not have.
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Avirosb
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No longer on vacation
posted June 21, 2011 05:37 AM

Yes, but as it says; enemy heroes can just repair the mines with no need of a counterskill, so to speak.
But then again, I'm probably wrong. 'Sabotage' isn't exactly synonymous with 'collapse'.

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Crayfish
Crayfish


Known Hero
posted June 21, 2011 05:50 AM

I don't get sabotage mine. You're going to move your level 10+ hero into an enemy zone of control and... sabotage a mine? That's all?

I'll stick with combat oriented skills thank you very much.

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Zenofex
Zenofex


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Kreegan-atheist
posted June 21, 2011 06:01 AM

It's rather obvious that this is a skill for scouts/secondary heroes. Good one at that.

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DoubleDeck
DoubleDeck


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Look into my eyes...
posted June 21, 2011 07:25 AM

So we have 5 skill sets coming off the might ablities:

Paragon - Improving Hero himself
Realm - Management of Kingdom
Tactics - Affecting battlefield?
War cries - Casted by Hero onto troops?
Warfare - Improving troops on Hero?

On Realm, the Sabotage mine: obviously would sabotage an emeny mine right at the end of the turn, to maximise the movement of the hero. The sabotaging hero has to be on the mine to affect this, does the enemy hero have to go onto the mine as well to repair? Seems worthless if the mine is more than 7 days away.....unless secondary heroes haev this ability....

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Mike80D
Mike80D


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Map Maker
posted June 21, 2011 08:25 AM

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It's rather obvious that this is a skill for scouts/secondary heroes. Good one at that.


Exactly.  If your secondary hero with a small/moderate army is able to shut down a gold mine for 7-days that could have some big impact.  I like this skill!  

Too often in past games the secondary heroes were only useful for transporting creatures.  

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Avirosb
Avirosb


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No longer on vacation
posted June 21, 2011 08:34 AM
Edited by Avirosb at 08:34, 21 Jun 2011.

And seizing mines/collecting resources.

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