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Jackson
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posted November 11, 2010 12:23 PM |
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Edited by Jackson at 08:24, 19 Nov 2010.
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Creatures Names
I noticed there wasn't much of a reaction to the prompt given by Cepheus when he said,
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Now would be a fine time to discuss any creature names you don't like, make proposed changes or whatnot, I dunno... just saying 
Personally, there are a few names I'd REALLY like to see changed. So the purpose of this thread is to get people talking, making suggestions, and voicing which names they like and which ones they don't in a way that will be easy to view. So this first post will be similar to Jiriki9's Wish List; there will be two numbers beside each suggestion, one expressing how many people are happy with the suggestion (represented by a +) and one expressing how many people are unhappy with it (represented by a -), and I will frequently update this first post with any new suggestions and the current tallies. Numbers/votes will be by the current names of the creatures as well. I'm hoping to get a lot of people involved in this.
Haven
Sentinel -> Praetorian (+1, -3)
Suggestions:
Guardsman -> Phalangite (+1, -1)
Guard/Guardsman -> Praetorian (+3, -0)
Spearwielder -> Sentinel (+1, -0)
Pikeman -> Praetorian (+1, -0)
Sentinel -> Pikeman (+1, -0)
Crossbowman -> Marksman (+3, -2)
Suggestions:
Arbalister/Arbalester -> Accipiter (+2, -0)
Crossbowman -> Royal Crossbowman (+1, -0)
Crossbowman -> Deadeye Marksman (+1, -0)
Griffin -> Imperial Griffin (+3, -1)
Suggestions:
Griffin -> Crown Griffin (+1, -0)
Griffin -> War Griffin (+1, -0)
Griffin -> Noble Griffin (+1, -0)
Griffin -> Hippogriff/Hippogryph/Hippogryphe (+2, -0)
Griffin -> Royal Griffin (+2, -0)
Griffin -> Griffin Patriarch (+1, -0)
Seraph -> Celestial (+0, -7)
Suggestions:
Cherub -> Seraph (+2, -1)
Angel -> Arch Angel (+4, -1)
Angel -> Seraphim (+1, -1)
Transcended -> Yazata (+1, -1)
Angel -> Seraph (+1, -0)
Angel -> Celestial Angel (+1, -0)
Divine Disciple -> Seraph (+2, -0)
Sun Rider -> Sun Crusader (+3, -1)
Suggestions:
Holy Knight -> Divine Knight (+4, -0)
Paladin -> Grand Paladin (+2, -0)
Templar -> Grand Templar (+1, -0)
Sun Knight -> Blazing Templar (+1, -0)
Knight -> Sun Crusader (+1, -0)
Priestess -> Vestal (+0, -1)
Suggestions:
Faith Healer -> Priestess (+1, -0)
Priestess -> High Priestess (+1, -0)
Inferno
Juggernaut -> Juggernaut Ravager (+1, -2)
Suggestions:
Juggernaut -> Dreadnought (+5, -0)
Abyssal Persecutor -> Hellcarver Demon (+1, -1)
Behemoth -> Smoldering Behemoth (+2, -0)
Juggernaut -> Behemoth (+1, -0)
Hellhound -> Cerberus (+1, -3)
Suggestions:
Hellhound -> Orthrus/Orthros/Orthus/Orthos (+4, -0)
Carnihound -> Voracihound (+1, -1)
Bloodhound -> Hellhound (+1, -1)
Orthus -> Cerberus (+1, -0)
Pit Fiend -> Pit Lord (+2, -2)
Suggestions:
Chaos Lord -> Abyssal Lord (+1, -1)
Pit Fiend -> Abyss Dynast (+2, +0)
Abyssal Knight -> Abyssal Baron (+1, -1)
Demogorgon -> Demogorgon Lord/Tyrant (+1, -0)
Baphomet -> Baphomet Lord/Tyrant (+1, -0)
Abaddon -> Abaddon Lord/Tyrant (+1, -0)
Moloch -> Moloch Lord/Tyrant (+1, -0)
Hellcarver -> Defiler of Souls (+1, -0)
Hellcarver -> Hellbringer (+1, -0)
Chaos Fiend -> Chaos Abaddon (+1, -0)
Tormentor -> Excruciator (+3, -3)
Suggestions:
Tormented -> Excruciated (+2, +0)
Bloodspawn -> Agonizer (+1, +0)
Tormentor -> Agonizer (+1, -0)
Tormentor -> Carnage Tormentor (+1, -0)
Pazuzu -> Carnage Pazuzu (+1, -0)
Succubus -> Temptress (+2, -1)
Suggestions:
Succubus Concubine -> Succubus Mistress (+5, +0)
Maniac -> Demented (+0, -0)
Suggestions:
Necropolis
Lich -> Arch Lich (+0, -2)
Suggestions:
Lich -> Ascendant (+2, -0)
Spider Priest -> Spider Abbot (+3, -0)
Unworthy Lich -> Graveborn Lich (+1, -1)
Lich -> Graveborn Lich (+1, -0)
Lich -> Lich Mummy (+1, -0)
Vampire -> Vampire Lord (+1, -1)
Suggestions:
Vampire -> Nosferatu (+2, -0)
Neonate Vampire -> Ascended Vampire (+1, -0)
Vampire Knight -> Vampire Lord (+1, -0)
Vampire -> Vampire Count (+1, -0)
Ghost -> Spectre (+1, -1)
Suggestions:
Banshee -> White Lady (+1, -1)
Banshee -> Apparition (+2, -0)
Lost Soul -> Howling Banshee (+1, -0)
Ghost -> White Lady (+1, -1)
Wraith -> Banshee (+1, -0)
Skeleton -> Bone Guard (+1, -1)
Suggestions:
Skeleton Skirmisher -> Skeleton Legionary (+3, -0)
Skeleton -> Bone Soldier (+1, -0)
Bonebag -> Emperor Bonebag (+1, -0)
Ghoul -> Grave Ghoul (+1, -1)
Suggestions:
Ghoul -> Revenant (+2, -0)
Ghoul -> Mutated Ghoul (+1, -0)
Crypt Ghoul -> Crypt Creeper (+1, -0)
Ghoul -> Tormented (+1, -1)
Ghoul -> Ravager (+1, -0)
Ghoul -> Ghoul Scavanger (+1, -0)
Ghoul -> Black Ghoul (+1, -0)
Ghoul -> Wendigo/Windigo//Witiko/Wihtikow (+1, -0)
Putrid Lamasu -> Festering Lamasu (+1, -0)
Suggestions:
Lamasu -> Lamasu Rotbringer (+1, -0)
Narasimha -> Criosphinxes (+1, -1)
Lamasu -> Sphinx (+1, -0)
Criosphinx -> Manticore (+1, -1)
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Jackson
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Random Spirit Lover
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posted November 11, 2010 12:26 PM |
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I will come back and put up my own opinion on things in a bit. : )
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admira
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Famous Hero
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posted November 11, 2010 12:47 PM |
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Seraph/Celestial (-1)
Suggestion:
Cherub/Seraph
or simply:
Angel/Arch Angel
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 11, 2010 01:10 PM |
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Just so you know the unit names are under revision but I'm sure the devs would appreciate some good suggestions 
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bludgeon
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posted November 11, 2010 01:51 PM |
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Edited by bludgeon at 13:57, 11 Nov 2010.
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Quote:
Pit Fiend / Pit Lord (+0, -0)
Suggestions:
That was always meeeh to me. Instead I propose:
Chaos Lord / Abyssal Lord
Hellhound I'd change to just Hound. Or maybe Hell Mastiff.
Juggernaut -> Dreadnought
Instead of Tormentor / Excruciator: dislike those two but I don't have any solid ideas ATM.
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted November 11, 2010 02:34 PM |
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Haven
Crossbowman / Marksman
Very unoriginal and boting name. xD We need a new name for these guys cause they have had the same name in all Heroes games!
Suggestions: Arbalister -> Accipiter
Imperial Griffin
Same name as in H5. -.-
Suggestions: Griffin -> Crown Griffin
Seraph / Celestial
I really hate this name. An angel is an angel! I will always think of them as Angels.
Suggestions: Angel -> Seraphim
Inferno
Juggernaut Ravager
I had hoped to avoid names like this "Centaur -> Centaur Archer", "Harpy -> Harpy Warrior" as much as possible in H6.
Suggestions: Dreadnought
Cerberus
Simply because it isn't a Cerberus with its three heads. It is an...
Suggestions: Orthus
Pit Lord
I think this is a very boring and unoriginal name and there is an alternative and in muy opinion, cooler sounding word for pit. This name truly sounds like the master of the other creatures in Inferno.
Suggestions: Abyss Dynast
Tormentor / Excruciator
To me, it looks like they are a lot more tormented themselves.
Suggestions: Tormented -> Excruciated (One?)
Necropolis
Arch Lich
I still don't like these kind of names. I think upgrades that just add Arch, Master or Lord are very boring.
Suggestions: Ascendant
Vampire Lord
Same as above.
Suggestions: Nosferatu
Ghost / Spectre
This is the same as in H5. :S And that's not really creative. Plus this time the ghost is a lady.
Suggestions: Banshee -> White Lady
Grave Ghoul
Again! Another upgrade which just adds another word to the name.
Suggestions: Revenant
Oh, and I guess I should give feedback on other suggestions aswell.
Suggestion:
Cherub (-1) Seraph (+1)
Cherubs are to cute I think but Seraphs are okay as upgrades do I think Seraphim sounds more epic for some reason.
Angel (+1) Arch Angel (-1).
To me they will always be Angels but I am generally against using the exact same names as in H5 for both normal and upgraded creaure.
Chaos Lord (+1) Abyssal Lord (-1)
Chaos Lord sounds really cool but I think something else than "Lord" would be more interesting for the upgrade.
Hound & Hell Mastiff (-1)
I don't agree here. While I do think Hellhound is quite unoriginal, I would not like to see just "Hound" either or that they are some kind of evil mastiff. Maybe something simple such as "Predator" or "Hell Stalker" would be good enough?
Juggernaut -> Dreadnought (+1)
Nice, we thought the same way here. 
I think this sounds so smooth and logical.
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admira
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted November 11, 2010 04:27 PM |
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Sun Rider --> Sun Crusader
Although for some people this is a nice name, but I think about several alternative
Suggestion:
Holy Knight <--> Divine Knight
I don't know which has a more "epic" feel
and give the horse a name: Virtue
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Zenofex
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted November 11, 2010 05:00 PM |
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Edited by Zenofex at 17:00, 11 Nov 2010.
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Suggestions: Angel -> Seraphim
This is similar to Angel upgrading into Archangels. Seraphim is plural. Seraph is correct though, but it does not quite fit the description given the Seraph from HoMM V.
I'll post some suggestions later.
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Maken
Known Hero
Hail Hydra!
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posted November 11, 2010 08:27 PM |
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Sentinel / Praetorian (-1)
Actually its only Praetorian that I don't like. And I can't think of a good replacement... Maybe Guardian, Protector. 
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Cepheus
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
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posted November 11, 2010 10:03 PM |
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Edited by Cepheus at 22:05, 11 Nov 2010.
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We made proposals to the devs, which included a fair few of the suggestions mentioned here
I will say this though - you've got to make it very quick with the naming ideas, because they appear to be entering a "now or never" finalisation period. Frustrating that we can't tell you the names of the rest of the creatures so you can help with those, but that's just how it is.
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Juggernaut -> Dreadnought
It sounds good alright, but we agreed that it's probably a bit too close to the Heavenly Forge for comfort 
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xerox
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted November 11, 2010 10:40 PM |
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Meh how many players really know of Forge at all, even less what their creatures were named. 
btw will you forward ideas in this thread to the VIP forum? I asume there is some kind of feedback thread on this and this thread would feel kinda pointless if these ideas didn't get forwarded
and remember, you were chosen to be the links between the Heroes communities and the developers ;D ;P
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Cepheus
Honorable
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Far-flung Keeper
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posted November 11, 2010 10:49 PM |
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Of course I will, but I stress that you must post ideas as quickly as possible - otherwise I can't promise they'll be able to be considered. I might add it to a news post tomorrow.
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Zenofex
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posted November 11, 2010 10:54 PM |
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Edited by Zenofex at 08:42, 12 Nov 2010.
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OK, some brainstorming:
Sentinel/Praetorian - change to Guardsman/Phalangite
Crossbowman/Marksman - change to Crossbowman/Royal Crossbowman
Griffin/Imperial Griffin - change to Griffin/War Griffin
Sun Rider/Sun Crusader - change to Templar/Grand Templar
Seraph/Celestial - change to Transcended/Yazata
Skeleton/Bone Guard - change to Skeleton Skirmisher/Skeleton Legionary
Ghoul/Grave Ghoul - change to Ghoul/Ghoul Mutant or Mutated Ghoul
Ghost/Spectre - change to Banshee/Apparition
Vampire/Vampire Lord - change to Neonate Vampire/Ascended Vampire
Lich/Archlich - change to Spider Priest/Spider Abbot
Hellhound/Cerberus - change to Carnihound/Voracihound (could be much better, but definately not Cerberus for the upgrade)
Succubus/Temptress - change to Succubus Concubine/Succubus Mistress
Tormentor/Excruciator - change to Bloodspawn/Agonizer
Juggernaut/Juggernaut Ravager - sounds good to me
Pit Fiend/Pit Lord - change to Abyssal Knight/Abyssal Baron
Edit: changed Paladin/Grand Paladin to Templar/Grand Templar - just forgot that the Paladin is the hero now.
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Jackson
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Random Spirit Lover
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posted November 12, 2010 08:41 AM |
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First off, thank you everyone for your input.
I'd like to ask everyone to make sure to be clear with what they want me to put positive and negative votes on.
Cepheus,
Would they consider making any changes to the appearance of any of the creatures? I don't expect them to go back and spend a lot of time reworking the way a whole lot of the creatures look, but do you think they might be willing to revise a couple of them? I'm particularly wondering about the Imperial Griffin, Celestial, (which is unfortunate because all of the other Haven units, from the Sentinel to the Sun Crusader, I think they did a wonderful job on), and the Cerberus. Of course there are other ones that I also wish a couple of changes could be made to, like I wish the Lich could look more undead, grim, serious, and frightening, and I wish the Pit Lord had something, maybe grander wings, to differentiate him more from the Pit Fiend, but those wishes are more minor, and leaving them unchanged wouldn't disappoint me too much, but the three I already mentioned (Imperial Griffin, Celestial, and Cerberus) REALLY bother me a lot.
Xerox,
I couldn't incorporate your votes on the other suggestions because "Cherub / Seraph" count as one suggestion. If you don't like Cherub I think you should replace it with something you do like, and I'll add it on as another suggestion. But since there was something you didn't like about "Cherub/Seraph," "Angel/Arch Angel," and "Chaos Lord/Abyssal Lord," do you want me to put up a negative vote on them?
My first suggestion is to rename Hellhound/Cerberus. Cerberus should be changed to Orthrus on account of the two heads. What I really think they should do, assuming they're going to add alternative upgrades later on, is give the Hellhound only one head, and name the two headed, armored dog Orthrus. Make the alternative to Orthrus a slightly bigger, unarmored, three-headed Cerberus. IF they think they're going to add alternative upgrades in an expansion, like they said they might, I think this is the best thing they could do regarding this particular unit. Regardless of alternative upgrades, though, they should definitely name that two-headed dog Orthrus, so +1 to Hellhound/Orthrus.
Next, I really really really don't like Bone Guard at all, and I think it should be trashed. -1. Unfortunately I don't have a suggestion to replace it at the moment, but +1 for Skeleton Skirmisher/Skeleton Legionary, because it's at least way better than Bone Guard.
For the Griffin's upgrade, I think Noble Griffin is much better than Imperial Griffin. I also think the Griffin SHOULD upgrade to a Hippogriff, which is the offspring of a griffin and a mare, and said to be stronger than a griffin. Then they wouldn't need to add that armor on it at all. So I'm going to add Griffin/Noble Griffin and Griffin/Hippogriff.
I think the Tormentor/Excruciator should be renamed completely, or at the very least the Excruciator bit. It's been bugging me as much as Bone Guard has been bugging me. It just doesn't sound good. And since they made up their own demon to put in the army, you'd think they could be more creative naming it. I do like the idea of naming it the Tormented/Excruciated, because alongside their image it makes them sound more intense, more dangerous, more like a beserker, and Excruciated doesn't sound nearly as awful as Excrutiator, at least in my opinion. So -1 to Excruciator and +1 to Excruciated. I also like Agonizer more than Excruciator but I don't like Bloodspawn so much, so I'm going to add Tormentor/Agonizer.
I kind of like Sentinel/Praetorian, so +1.
Although I don't hate Crossbowman/Marksman, I do admit it's a bit boring, and I love the suggestion Arbalister/Accipiter. +1 for sure!
I actually really like both suggestions for the Sun Rider, as well as the original, so +1 to each. Although if I had to choose one, I would probably choose Sun Rider/Sun Crusader, even though I really do like the two suggestions a lot. I'd pick the original only because it emphasizes the steed, which I feel needs to be emphasized since it's kind of what makes the unit special.
-1 for Carnihound/Voracihound.
+1 for Banshee/Apparition. I don't know why but I feel iffy on Spectre. Also this way Ghosts could still potentially be used as a powerful, frightening neutral unit protecting shipwrecks and old mines.
+1 for Succubus Concubine/Succubus Mistress.
-1 for Abyssal Knight/Abyssal Baron (Sorry! Just personal taste), but +1 for ???/Abyss Dynast. You should come up with something to replace the Pit Fiend that would complement Abyss Dynast. Thank you for the impressive suggestion.
Thank you again everybody for your involvement! Please keep voting, giving feedback, brainstorming, and coming up with new, awesome suggestions!
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Bludgeon
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posted November 12, 2010 08:43 AM |
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Edited by Bludgeon at 09:09, 12 Nov 2010.
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Guardsman -> Phalangite (+1, -0)
Guardsman, or guard, is pretty good, better than sentinel. But phalangite I don't like.
So sentinel -1, praetorian +1, guard(sman) +1, phalangite -1.
Crossbowman -> Marksman (+0, -1)
Griffin -> Imperial Griffin
They're fine, and classic. +1/+1
Seraph -> Celestial
Seraph -> Angel could work, unless angel is a boss. +1/-1
Transcended -> Yazata
That's too exotic for my tastes, -1/-1
Sun Rider -> Sun Crusader
They are fine. A nice break from the worn paladin/knight in all the other games. +1/+1
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Hellhound -> Cerberus
Another possibility is a bloodhound -> hellhound
Pit Fiend -> Pit Lord
I checked an online list of mythological demons for some ideas, and found a few:
demogorgon -> demogorgon lord/tyrant
baphomet -> baphomet lord/tyrant
abadon -> abadon lord/tyrant
moloch -> moloch lord/tyrant
Tormentor -> Excruciator
Tormentor -> Carnage Tormentor
Pazuzu -> Carnage Pazuzu (pazuzu is a babylonian demon of wind, but the name is so damn cool )
Succubus Concubine -> Succubus Mistress
I like that proposal, +1/+1
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Astromidas
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posted November 12, 2010 09:12 AM |
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I like the name Celestial for the upgrade but not quite the Seraph as it's higher ranking than a Angel in Christianity. Even if I'm atheist it bugs me quite a lot but I can't figure out a better name for a inferior angelic being as the Angel is the lowest ranking.
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Zenofex
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted November 12, 2010 09:20 AM |
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Edited by Zenofex at 09:27, 12 Nov 2010.
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By the way, I think it will be better not to give the creatures names, which identify unique mythological characters. For instance - Cerberus, Orthrus, Pazuzu, Abaddon and so on - all of them are individuals, not families of creatures. Like Uriel - Michael instead of Something Angel - Something Angel. Most of them do not even fit the purpose of the creatures. Baphomet, for instance, is artificial demon and there are even theories that this is a mistranslation of Mohammad. Pazuzu is a well-known Mesopotamian demon, who rivals Lamashtu/Lilith and actually does have some positive characteristics as such, even though it's undeniably evil. For a family of demon-like creatures we could use daevas, but it could be considered too... hm, exotic.
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posted November 12, 2010 09:43 AM |
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Sentinel=>Preatorian
I like Sentinel ;p But should be Spearwielder=>Sentinel
Juggernaut=>Juggernaut Ravager
Juggernaut reminds me too much of C&C3... So; Abyssal Persecutor=>Hellcarver Demon OR viceversa..
Lich=>Arch Lich
Unworthy Lich=>Graveborn Lich
Vampire ;p Yup yup => Nosferatu
Crossbowman=>Marksman
Leave it at those.. They are the best names for them...
Griffin is standard, so upgrade should be =>War Griffin/Royal Griffin
Hellhound=>Ceberus is fine as it is..
Ghoul=>Grave Ghoul
I like Ghoul alot, but the upgrade should be like:=> Crypt Ghoul / Crypt Creeper..
Ghost sounds good, and is a common name, but i suggest:
Lost Soul=>Howling Banshee
Pit Fiend and Pit Lord is fine ;p Unless you would call them:
Hellcarver=>Defiler of Souls
Tormentor=>Excruciator sounds awesome.
Seraph=>Celestial is no go..
Angel=>Seraph/Celestial Angel
Succubus=>Temptress Is awesome-
Sun Rider=> Sun Crusader is again, awesome..
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Bludgeon
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posted November 12, 2010 09:55 AM |
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Edited by Bludgeon at 09:57, 12 Nov 2010.
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By the way, I think it will be better not to give the creatures names, which identify unique mythological characters.
But don't forget. There was also only one minotaur, medusa, and hydra. Those were the names of the creatures, not their species.
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Zenofex
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Kreegan-atheist
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posted November 12, 2010 10:17 AM |
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But don't forget. There was also only one minotaur, medusa, and hydra. Those were the names of the creatures, not their species.
That's true, but none of them is confirmed for MMH:VI so far. I am talking about the names of the officially announced creatures.
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